IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[tcer114]

I understand why Rudd used the "S" word, as part of saying in effect that in light of the knowledge he had, all options were on the table .Unfortunately this occurred relatively early in the family's grieving process and many MSM sources did not communicate Rudd's statement objectively, they disproportionately emphasized the suicide angle opening the floodgates of bitter cynicism that may always be counted on from the cheap seats.

I think Melodie Gliniewicz is deserving of our understanding.

You are so right. Media took what he said and ran with the headline that it might have been suicide which is NOT what Rudd said.

 

[vestigare]

Walker,

They are a publicly funded government department and they 100% answer to the tax payers for every single thing they do.

If they don't like it they can go work in the private sector where they better work for a company without stock holders.

Sorry, haven't read the rest of your long post.

 

[katydid23]

"Have held back details because we don't want to compromise a potential prosecution by providing information only the gunman or a witness would know." Filenko said.

Sounds like a standard press conference statement ,IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Filenko said "trying to be transparent because I've heard the word conspiracy quite often."

Sounds reasonable,imo

 

[vestigare]

You are absolutely correct about Rudd and he NEVER said it was suicide. He said he couldn't rule manner of death without information. LE in Lake county want him out, they don't want him to be reelected and right now, Rudd looks like a crybaby that could of jeapordized the investigation and in the very least is making life more difficult for his family.

I don't see that Rudd looks like a cry baby. Filenko said in a press conference that Rudd hadn't even talked to him. SoRudd came out and said it was in fact the other way around. Rudd was waiting for the evidence and the task force knew this and was keeping him out of the loop. Then the task force further kept him out of the loop by having a meeting without him after completing he shouldn't speak when the coroner can talk about whatever he wants regarding his cases. The Task force doesn't control the coroner. In fact the coroner doesn't even have to wait for the task force.

And Rudd isn't the one going on Crime Watch Daily giving interviews.

 

[tcer114]

Exactly. Well said.
What concerns me as well is so many people are so quick to accept flimsy evidence in court and it scares me that this task force appears to be feeding us drops of flimsy evidence and they get angry when we don't accept it. This indicates to me that some of their investigative skills rely heavily on flimsy evidence or faulty logic and they are frustrated it isn't working for them this time.

How many other cases have they investigated from this standpoint?
Certainly this case is putting them under a microscope and they don't look good imo.

There have been other Lake county cases already discussed in past threads that support your concern about this task force. They don't seem to be able to solve cases. At least not the big ones.

 

[Walker007]

Walker,

They are a publicly funded government department and they 100% answer to the tax payers for every single thing they do.

If they don't like it they can go work in the private sector where they better work for a company without stock holders.

Sorry, haven't read the rest of your long post.

Right On. Just like the IRS and the rest of them who are held accountable for taking Millions of Dollars worth of ridiculous vacations, staying in Five Star resorts on our tax paying dimes? If only it were done as easily as it's said.

Show me where there is gross negligence on the part of the task force? Proof? Are they sitting around playing poker during office hours passing the time? Is every department that has ongoing investigations negligent to the taxpayers for not disclosing all details of their investigation?

Are they making an effort to serve the public? Yes, they are by way of communicating with them. They do have an understanding in this that they serve the public or they wouldn't bother with the pressers. THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HOLD THEM. Just look at the DOZENS AND DOZENS of cases on this website alone where there is beyond utter frustration for lack of pressers or no further pressers for high profile crimes beyond the originating week. Many of those cases have been picked apart relentlessly and many of those cases are solved down the road with KEY information that was not previously disclosed which then makes sense after the fact.

Did they respond to possible active shooter situation and do their best to serve the public? Yes, they did.

Everyone has an opinion. That's just mine though, I do keep my mind open to weigh others as well and hopefully respectfully as that is always my intention.

 

[vestigare]

Right On. Just like the IRS and the rest of them who are held accountable for taking Millions of Dollars worth of ridiculous vacations, staying in Five Star resorts on our tax paying dimes? If only it were done as easily as it's said.

Show me where there is gross negligence on the part of the task force? Proof? Are they sitting around playing poker during office hours passing the time? Is every department that has ongoing investigations negligent to the taxpayers for not disclosing all details of their investigation?

Are they making an effort to serve the public? Yes, they are by way of communicating with them. They do have an understanding in this that they serve the public or they wouldn't bother with the pressers. THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO HOLD THEM. Just look at the DOZENS AND DOZENS of cases on this website alone where there is beyond utter frustration for lack of pressers or no further pressers for high profile crimes beyond the originating week. Many of those cases have been picked apart relentlessly and many of those cases are solved down the road with KEY information that was not previously disclosed which then makes sense after the fact.

Did they respond to possible active shooter situation and do their best to serve the public? Yes, they did.

Everyone has an opinion. That's just mine though, I do keep my mind open to weigh others as well and hopefully respectfully as that is always my intention.

We have been over this several times. Please go do a search of my posts with the words misappropriation, manhunt, million, etc... It has nothing to do with playing poker and everything to do with misusing money to investigate this in a way beyond other investigations because he was LE.

This also was not an active shooter by DHS standards.

And no, they don't have to do press conferences but they do have to answer to the public in some manner.

 

[Walker007]

I don't see that Rudd looks like a cry baby. Filenko said in a press conference that Rudd hadn't even talked to him. SoRudd came out and said it was in fact the other way around. Rudd was waiting for the evidence and the task force knew this and was keeping him out of the loop. Then the task force further kept him out of the loop by having a meeting without him after completing he shouldn't speak when the coroner can talk about whatever he wants regarding his cases. The Task force doesn't control the coroner. In fact the coroner doesn't even have to wait for the task force.

And Rudd isn't the one going on Crime Watch Daily giving interviews.

Rudd is an elected person.

Lake County Coroner Dr. Thomas Rudd confirmed reports that the Major Crimes task force interviewed the pathologist who did the officer’s autopsy without him, even though Rudd will issue the final report.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ke-Investigation-327949911.html#ixzz3nohL2Za7

Certainly, Dr. Rudd should be in communication with the pathologist in his office on such an important case? His own pathologist had issued a statement in earlier articles that he was not releasing information at the request of the task force due to their ongoing investigation. He seemed to be able to adhere to their request professionally.

“I am confused and hurt why that occurred,” he said. “That’s all.”

That's emotional. And bruised ego.

Frankly, I could rip apart RUDD in all of his statements and just may do that later. More frustrated by the more I read and review his interviews.

Here Dr. Rudd states himself this determination can't be made:
Asked if Gliniewicz had been shot at close range or from a distance, the coroner said the autopsy results did not support one answer over the other.
“I can’t tell if he was shot close, or far. I have a suspicion, but I need proof.”

Does anyone else find ANYTHING in the very least, wrong with this picture?

Further and FINALLY. Here is the kicker which nobody else has mentioned that I have seen.

HEADLINE:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0910-20150909-story.html

Fox Lake officer's fatal wound was to his torso: coroner

The gunshot that killed Fox Lake Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz was to his torso, Lake County Coroner Thomas Rudd said Thursday.

Rudd had said Wednesday that the 52-year-old officer died of a single devastating gunshot wound but he did not say where the officer was shot. He offered the new information Thursday morning, he said, to dispel rumors. Reports from local media that Gliniewicz suffered a wound to the back of his neck are inaccurate, Rudd said.

Funny, it looks like to me that Dr. Rudd was creating his own rumors. How much does he communicate with his own pathologist. He didn't even release correct information. Someone correct me if I am wrong here. Did Filenko even demonstrate for us the area of the torso that was hit by the vest?

FILENKO at latest presser:

The first shot went into his police vest, hitting him with "the force of a sledgehammer" in his side, and the second, believed to be the fatal shot, was in the "upper left chest region," Filenko said

Hopefully, they have been seeking secondary outside experts opinions on the area of the autopsy.

 

[vestigare]

Rudd is an elected person.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ke-Investigation-327949911.html#ixzz3nohL2Za7

Certainly, Dr. Rudd should be in communication with the pathologist in his office on such an important case? His own pathologist had issued a statement in earlier articles that he was not releasing information at the request of the task force due to their ongoing investigation. He seemed to be able to adhere to their request professionally.



That's emotional. And bruised ego.

Frankly, I could rip apart RUDD in all of his statements and just may do that later. More frustrated by the more I read and review his interviews.

Here Dr. Rudd states himself this determination can't be made:
Asked if Gliniewicz had been shot at close range or from a distance, the coroner said the autopsy results did not support one answer over the other.
“I can’t tell if he was shot close, or far. I have a suspicion, but I need proof.”

Does anyone else find ANYTHING in the very least, wrong with this picture?

Further and FINALLY. Here is the kicker which nobody else has mentioned that I have seen.

HEADLINE:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...-police-shooting-met-0910-20150909-story.html




Funny, it looks like to me that Dr. Rudd was creating his own rumors. How much does he communicate with his own pathologist. He didn't even release correct information. Someone correct me if I am wrong here. Did Filenko even demonstrate for us the area of the torso that was hit by the vest?

FILENKO at latest presser:

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Hopefully, they have been seeking secondary outside experts opinions on the area of the autopsy.

Dr. manny Montez who did the autopsy is not part of the coroners office and is a contractor who has worked for rbe county for many years and on many cases involving Filenko. I do not know how hw was chosen to perform the autopsy here. It is possible he is the only current doctor on contract to do autopsies as lake county does not currently have the facilities to do autopsies in house. This was brought up by Rudd in his election and is something he is trying to change.
Montezs also is not a board certified pathologist. rudd is.

I dont know what Rudd being elected has to do with anything as he is more than qualified.

And if the clothing is removed and he didn't do the autopsy he can't know how close the shot was.

Not sure what your questions about torso and chest etc... are about.

This has all been discussed at length before.

 

[Walker007]

Dr. manny Montez who did the autopsy is not part of the coroners office and is a contractor who has worked for rbe county for many years and on many cases involving Filenko. I do not know how hw was chosen to perform the autopsy here. It is possible he is the only current doctor on contract to do autopsies as lake county does not currently have the facilities to do autopsies in house. This was brought up by Rudd in his election and is something he is trying to change.
Montezs also is not a board certified pathologist. rudd is.

I dont know what Rudd being elected has to do with anything as he is more than qualified.

And if the clothing is removed and he didn't do the autopsy he can't know how close the shot was.

Not sure what your questions about torso and chest etc... are about.

This has all been discussed at length before.

Can you explain how he released the WRONG location of the fatal wound, prematurely at that?

 

[vestigare]

Can you explain how he released the WRONG location of the fatal wound, prematurely at that?

How was he wrong?

 

[cady]

JMO Rudd spoke initially in order to debunk the rampant rumors, leaked to (or by?) the media, that the kill shot was to CG's neck region. JMO..........the neck story came from "unnamed sources close to the investigation"...................whoever they were.

 

[Walker007]

How was he wrong?

Reread my post.

 

[Walker007]

JMO Rudd spoke initially in order to debunk the rampant rumors, leaked to (or by?) the media, that the kill shot was to CG's neck region. JMO

True. But the he said the fatal shot was to the Torso. That is not the same information that was given at the latest presser. Torso was to the vest. Fatal to the chest.

 

[cady]

True. But the he said the fatal shot was to the Torso. That is not the same information that was given at the latest presser. Torso was to the vest. Fatal to the chest.

Chest is torso, I think, no? JMO

 

[vestigare]

Rudd said ofthe devastating wound "I think it's necessary that it's stated that there are no shots to the head or neck," Rudd told Fox News on Thursday. "The devastating wound is below the neck, that's all I can say as far as the position."

That was to debunk the neck wound rumor. It isn't wrong in anyway with what Filenko said was the torso or upper chest.

 

[vestigare]

True. But the he said the fatal shot was to the Torso. That is not the same information that was given at the latest presser. Torso was to the vest. Fatal to the chest.

Torso is everything not head and limbs.
So Rudd was in no way wrong. You just misunderstood anatomy.

 

[vestigare]

Reread my post.

I had already said I wasnt sure about your questions regarding torso and chest, me rereading wouldnt have helped you understand anatomy.
The chest is part of the torso.

Helpful tip: when someone says they don't understand you it usually helps to try it from another angle rather than assumming they just can't read.

 

[i.b.nora]

A torso is a torso is a torso.