IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[vestigare]

I hope the other two posters don't mind but I am going to bump these links because they keep getting buried shortly after they are posted
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1019133/fox-lake-cop-investigation-cost
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151007/news/151009104/

 

[Cubby]

I'm curious about this Explorers Club problem. What was going on with it prior to CG's plans to retire, such that he spent a lengthy amount of time discussing it's fate with the Mayor, the day before he died? JMO

Why does it have to be anything going on prior to that lengthy meeting? If LT had planned to commit suicide, then he had the foresight to know someone else would have to lead the Explorers program.

The lengthy meeting 18 hours or so prior to being shot with his own gun at close range with forensic experts not being able to rule out the possibility his hands were on his service weapon when it was fired. He knew he wasn't going to be around to continue with the Explorers group.

 

[Cubby]

Illinois faces $9 billion annual deficit and $159 billion in IOUs

The report, Apocalypse Now? The Consequences of Pay-Later Budgeting in Illinois, examines what it would take to balance the budget. The options are limited.

Bringing back the 2011 tax increase would close only about one-half of the gap projected for the next several years.
The problem cannot be solved with spending cuts alone. Because Illinois can’t cut debt service or pension payments, it would take at least a 20 percent cut of all remaining spending to eliminate the deficit. This includes education, corrections, Medicaid, public safety, transportation, and more.
Economic growth is also not a cure-all: an increase in the growth rate of personal income by an extra one-half percent every year for 10 years (an optimistic scenario) would only have a modest effect on the deficit.

The report concludes: “Changes in awareness, expectations, and policy are needed to restore fiscal balance in Illinois. Being saddled with paying past years’ bills means that today, Illinoisans must reduce their expectations for the services that they can expect from government and be prepared to pay more for government, now and in the future.”

https://igpa.uillinois.edu/content/illinois-faces-9-billion-annual-deficit-and-159-billion-ious

And that would include tens of thousands a week, if not six figures a week to try and turn a single suicide into a homicide. Seriously, funds are not infinite here......

 

[vestigare]

Why does it have to be anything going on prior to that lengthy meeting? If LT had planned to commit suicide, then he had the foresight to know someone else would have to lead the Explorers program.

The lengthy meeting 18 hours or so prior to being shot with his own gun at close ranger with forensic experts not being able to rule out the possibility his hands were on his service weapon when it was fired. He knew he wasn't going to be around to continue with the Explorers group.

True. The meeting could have just been about him retiring and unable to be lead advisor anymore. It is just odd that the mayor claimed that he was concerned once he was "gone". Could just be nit picking on my part that you wouldn't say "gone" unless you didn't intend to actually continue to volunteer for the program afterwards even if you couldn't be the leader.
I don't think Joe went into the mayors office thinking about telling him he was going to kill himself the next day. I think the meeting as far as the Mayor thought was about what was going to happen when Joe couldn't be the leader anymore.

 

[vestigare]

And that would include tens of thousands a week, if not six figures a week to try and turn a single suicide into a homicide. Seriously, funds are not infinite here......

You can be sure that residents of Lake County are going to see a nice tax hike to cover this or a total work stoppage. They can't cover it without.

 

[Walker007]

Making a victim the butt of a joke is not a basic comment offering possibilities. The conversations the last few days have certainly derailed the purpose of the board.

Couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm not sure what to agree with, but I don't think he committed suicide. jmo idk

 

[longlonglake]

About the Lakefront Park building...
Not local anymore, but I lived in the area until a few years ago. Yes, it is used by many groups for various functions.

 

[vestigare]

Not local anymore, but lived in the area until a few years ago. Yes, it is used by many groups for various functions.

Thanks. So when the Explorers program person said they were concerned about the Lions Club changing the locks and the Lions Club according to their website says they meet in that building it makes that a very confusing statement to me. They would be changing the locks for many groups not just the Explorers.

 

[Cubby]

True. The meeting could have just been about him retiring and unable to be lead advisor anymore. It is just odd that the mayor claimed that he was concerned once he was "gone". Could just be nit picking on my part that you wouldn't say "gone" unless you didn't intend to actually continue to volunteer for the program afterwards even if you couldn't be the leader.
I don't think Joe went into the mayors office thinking about telling him he was going to kill himself the next day. I think the meeting as far as the Mayor thought was about what was going to happen when Joe couldn't be the leader anymore.

IIRC it was Joe who called the meeting with the mayor. Not the other way around..... Why would he initiate a meeting about what would happen to the Explorer group after he was gone when he hadn't yet handed in any paperwork regarding his retirement, IF it wasn't because he had already planned to take his life?

I wouldn't question the meeting so much if it had occurred with the official paperwork to retire. Even then, there would have been a period of time between giving notice of retirement and the actual date of retirement which could have allowed proper time to allow for a smooth transition between himself and whomever was going to replace him as leader of the explorers. And there is nothing saying he could not have continued on as a volunteer.

But going into this meeting, by all indications, Joe already knew he was not going to be around.

 

[looking4OPH]

As far as I can see the Lions Club has their meetings at 71 Nippersink Blvd which is a mile north-west from the crime scene. I do not know if this is a dedicated Club House or just a meeting place for various organizations in that town.

That is a Fox Lake park district facility at Lakefront Park on the east shore of Nippersink Lake, the same where the memorial service was held for Lt. Joe.

 

[vestigare]

How did I miss that he requested the meeting? That does change some thoughts for me.

So the mayor must have been really confused about what Joes concerns were.

IIRC it was Joe who called the meeting with the mayor. Not the other way around..... Why would he initiate a meeting about what would happen to the Explorer group after he was gone when he hadn't yet handed in any paperwork regarding his retirement, IF it wasn't because he had already planned to take his life?

I wouldn't question the meeting so much if it had occurred with the official paperwork to retire. Even then, there would have been a period of time between giving notice of retirement and the actual date of retirement which could have allowed proper time to allow for a smooth transition between himself and whomever was going to replace him as leader of the explorers. And there is nothing saying he could not have continued on as a volunteer.

But going into this meeting, by all indications, Joe already knew he was not going to be around.

 

[Tillicum]

He may have been offered a position out of the area.

 

[looking4OPH]

Can a local answer for me please?
The Lakefront Park building at 71 Nippersink Road is that a community center where lots of functions happen?

Yes and yes.

 

[Elley Mae]

Gliniewicz planned to retire last month, Chicago TV station WMAQ reported. But the police chief asked him to stay one more month to help out.

The day before his death, Gliniewicz met with Mayor Donny Schmit to discuss his retirement plans and to make sure the Explorers program continued without him, CNN affiliate WLS said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/who-was-officer-joe-gliniewicz/

 

[vestigare]

He may have been offered a position out of the area.

I think his wife would have mentioned that fact as one of the reasons she thought he wouldn't have committed suicide.

 

[vestigare]

Gliniewicz planned to retire last month, Chicago TV station WMAQ reported. But the police chief asked him to stay one more month to help out.

The day before his death, Gliniewicz met with Mayor Donny Schmit to discuss his retirement plans and to make sure the Explorers program continued without him, CNN affiliate WLS said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/who-was-officer-joe-gliniewicz/

The entire retirement thing doesn't make any sense because his wife said that he gained the full retirement just the day before he was killed. So that meant Aug 31.

So it makes sense his last day would not have been before that date.
Why would someone retire just a few weeks short of his cut off for 25% retirement?

 

[Cubby]

Fox Lake Mayor Donny Schmit said Gliniewicz had planned to retire at the end of the year but pushed it up to the end of September. The pair met Monday for 90 minutes to discuss Gliniewicz's retirement. Schmit said Gliniewicz wanted to make sure the police department's Explorer Post 300 would continue after he left the job. The Explorer Post was something the officer had built for 30 years, and he didn't want to see it end, Schmit said.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150901/news/150909914/


I assumed Joe called the meeting. If the mayor called the meeting wouldn't that be akin to being fired or let go? MSM has stated Joe filed no official paperwork regarding retirement, so I don't know how they can say he planned to retire at X date but changed it to X date.

Why would the mayor call a meeting with Joe to discuss Joe's retirement? It would make sense if Lt. CG was asked to stay longer, but to bump it up sooner after the chief retired abruptly?

I can see Joe requesting the meeting with the mayor because he decided to retire rather than deal with whatever changes were upcoming in the police department. I can't see the mayor requesting to meet with Joe to move up his retirement date?

There's definately something fishy about this meeting and if it were called by the mayor, I would be more inclined to think it was homicide with the mayor possibly having some ties, maybe not direct ties, but ties......

 

[Keefer]

The entire retirement thing doesn't make any sense because his wife said that he gained the full retirement just the day before he was killed. So that meant Aug 31.

So it makes sense his last day would not have been before that date.
Why would someone retire just a few weeks short of his cut off for 25% retirement?

Could it be that he planned on using vacation time for last few weeks?
If he did plan on suicide why didn't he do it sooner?

 

[Elley Mae]

Because they met does not constitute a meeting to me. jmo idk