IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[vestigare]

The lieutenant made the first call at 7:52 a.m. and called three minutes later to request backup. The backup units arrived at 8:01 and found their fellow officer dead, roughly 50 yards from his vehicle, at about 8:09, Filenko said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/02/us/illinois-police-officer-shot/

Okay. So what are your thoughts on that exactly?

 

[vestigare]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6l-Txumsj8

For anyone else interested the discussion about the radio GPS and such begins at 11:30

 

[Elley Mae]

Since this was not quoting anyone in particular I guess it won't offend you if I answer??
The radio was on his body. The radio he used to call into dispatch.
Filenko also explained this radio during the press conf.

Not offended just trying to figure out how they know he was there for 20 minutes on his way to work, then calls about 3 guys then calls back to say send backup and exits the vehicle, or at least I thought that's the way it happened. Now who knows. jmo idk

 

[Elley Mae]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6l-Txumsj8

For anyone else interested the discussion about the radio GPS and such begins at 11:30

Thanks

 

[vestigare]

Not offended just trying to figure out how they know he was there for 20 minutes on his way to work, then calls about 3 guys then calls back to say send backup and exits the vehicle, or at least I thought that's the way it happened. Now who knows. jmo idk

Well you didn't want me answering you it appears.
How they know is from the GPS on his radio. The Radio that is on his vest.
They know he was there for 20 minutes walking around because he could not have been in his car and where he was on the GPS because the car couldn't get down the path because of a the locked gate.
They know that this was all before the first call. The calls came from his vest radio. They know this as well from technology built into the units.

 

[Elley Mae]

Well you didn't want me answering you it appears.
How they know is from the GPS on his radio. The Radio that is on his vest.
They know he was there for 20 minutes walking around because he could not have been in his car and where he was on the GPS because the car couldn't get down the path because of a the locked gate.
They know that this was all before the first call. The calls came from his vest radio. They know this as well from technology built into the units.

Well all this info makes it less likely suicide to me, I was there anyway.

 

[cady]

Well all this info makes it less likely suicide to me, I was there anyway.

How so? JMO

 

[night train]

This brings me to the question of how far into a re-enactment did the investigators actually go? Also, what questions did they try to answer with that re-enactment?

Why were no footprints or human scent trails left that could be found or followed? Why didn't the Lt have any defensive wounds (especially those to guard his life?) Why did he not use his radio in the time it took to cover 100 feet of distance between the 1st shot and the 2nd? Why was his taser or pepper spray not deployed during the alleged struggle? Was he in the car or out on foot for the 20 minutes that he was on location before he radioed in to report the three males?

I still need more than unidentified sources to buy the 100 foot distance. If this had occurred in a parking lot I'd be much more surprised at no signs of pepper spray or taser use or not seeing clear signs of a physical struggle,however.. with abundant cover possibly obscuring one or more perps, if he passed any of them in pursuit of another and taken down from behind he'd be out of luck. If stunned enough by the 1shot = Game Over

 

[Elley Mae]

How so? JMO

Sorry for delay, in & out waxing truck. First off, This is a guy who seemed to love his job, & was the one who ran the explorers program, iirc to direct youth into law enforcement. He was in the army & from all appearances loved that as well, having the wings tattooed for parachuting. IIRC he was an active member of a gym. He was married with 4 kids, was about to retire after 30 plus years. jmo idk

So no I don't see him going to a vacant property after calling in 3 suspicious guys & killing himself, just don't. jmo idk

 

[Tillicum]

For those who are still open to all possibilities, if this was a homicide do you think it happened spontaneously or it was a set up?

 

[bluesneakers]

Well all this info makes it less likely suicide to me, I was there anyway.

Do you mean if you were there?

 

[Elley Mae]

Do you mean if you were there?

Sorry, I am still homicide. What puzzles me is him out of the vehicle for 20 minutes. I have to assume that because it was before his shift that dispatch was not in communication with him until he radioed in the first time at 7:52. That to me is such a no-no. No wonder it took the others time to get there, they were still arriving on shift the third shift would be back at the station, if they even go there or just go home. But one thing I will say is that I'll bet dollars to donuts that no other cop in lake county illinois will be getting out of their cruiser before their shitf starts unless dispatch knows. Can't believe he did that. what a f-up. jmo idk

 

[al66pine]

Sorry, I am still homicide. What puzzles me is him out of the vehicle for 20 minutes. I have to assume that because it was before his shift that dispatch was not in communication with him until he radioed in the first time at 7:52. That to me is such a no-no. No wonder it took the others time to get there, they were still arriving on shift the third shift would be back at the station, if they even go there or just go home. But one thing I will say is that I'll bet dollars to donuts that no other cop in lake county illinois will be getting out of their cruiser before their shitf starts unless dispatch knows. Can't believe he did that. what a f-up. jmo idk

^bbm EM, not doubting you that his ^ lack of comm. w dispatch before shift was bad.

Directing my question to those in LE or w LE friends or loved ones (sorry, I can't keep track of LE-affliated in thread):

1. Does your PD's written policy (not just 'practice') actually require LEO to radio dispatch before exiting vehicle?
2. Only while on duty? Or before shift/signing in/reporting for duty as well?

Thx in adv.

 

[vestigare]

Sorry, I am still homicide. What puzzles me is him out of the vehicle for 20 minutes. I have to assume that because it was before his shift that dispatch was not in communication with him until he radioed in the first time at 7:52. That to me is such a no-no. No wonder it took the others time to get there, they were still arriving on shift the third shift would be back at the station, if they even go there or just go home. But one thing I will say is that I'll bet dollars to donuts that no other cop in lake county illinois will be getting out of their cruiser before their shitf starts unless dispatch knows. Can't believe he did that. what a f-up. jmo idk

Policy varies from PD to PD and I don't know what Fox Lake PD policy is for a LT when leaving his cruiser and he is not on an active call.

He was there before his shift. His shift began at 7:45. The first call was at 7:52. So subtract 20 minutes from that and you get 7:32. He wasn't there supposedly for anything other than just his routine checking on some village property so I don't know why he would call Dispatch when he wasn't even on duty yet. Would he be expected to call Dispatch if he got out of his car on the way to work to get coffee? Probably not.

The police station is less than a mile down the road and I believe shift change, while not a huge disruption to a PD that is well staffed and run it, would be the perfect time of day to kill yourself.

But if he was killed then we still know he didn't see the suspicious people at 7:32 when he first arrived as he didn't call dispatch for 20 more minutes and it wasn't until after that he accepted backup.
So what was he doing for 20 minutes before shift? Looking for squatters and taggers for all that time and just happened to find them 20 minutes after a walk?

 

[cady]

Shouldn't Fox Lake PD's protocol and rules be published somewhere? I don't quite know how to even look for it...I'd like to read it though. JMO

 

[Boo Radley]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCx2234D_vc
Crime Watch Daily Interview with Wife
5:37 The narrator says "Tragically he was eligible to retire the day before he died."
Then the wife talks about him walking away.
Then they talk about how he was staying on duty because he wanted to take care of the Explorers.

So it wasn't actually the wife that said it.

I think that the narrator's statement may be somewhat misleading. While it is true that he was eligible to retire the day before he died, this was not the first day that he became eligible. He was eligible to retire ever since he passed the 20 year mark in his employment.

Also with the reports of a 30 vs 32 year career, could 30 years be with Fox Lake PD and 2 years with another LE agency prior to Fox Lake?

 

[vestigare]

^bbm EM, not doubting you that his ^ lack of comm. w dispatch before shift was bad.

Directing my question to those in LE or w LE friends or loved ones (sorry, I can't keep track of LE-affliated in thread):

1. Does your PD's written policy (not just 'practice') actually require LEO to radio dispatch before exiting vehicle?
2. Only while on duty? Or before shift/signing in/reporting for duty as well?

Thx in adv.

I just sort of answered this to Elley Mae above.

 

[vestigare]

I think that the narrator's statement may be somewhat misleading. While it is true that he was eligible to retire the day before he died, this was not the first day that he became eligible. He was eligible to retire ever since he passed the 20 year mark in his employment.

Also with the reports of a 30 vs 32 year career, could 30 years be with Fox Lake PD and 2 years with another LE agency prior to Fox Lake?

Yes, but the 25% more was what he was eligible for on this later date. That is a big deal.
This is why I think the talk about his retirement is kind of screwy because why would you retire just a few weeks or months shy of such a cut off?

 

[vestigare]

Shouldn't Fox Lake PD's protocol and rules be published somewhere? I don't quite know how to even look for it...I'd like to read it though. JMO

It can be like pulling teeth to get PD policy. Even FOIA is often blocked because they claim it is privileged and people knowing it will cause terrorists to hunt them down.
It might be available but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Elley Mae]

'Struggle Took Place'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...conference-officer-found-fatally-shot-n436131