I think the feds came of their own accord. I'm sure they are present when LE are killed. I believe if you think about it, you may be able to figure out their interest when LE are killed.
IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4
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I think the feds came of their own accord. I'm sure they are present when LE are killed. I believe if you think about it, you may be able to figure out their interest when LE are killed.
YES But they had to determine which wound caused his death. Must have been a bullet from his own weapon.......after testing, of course. JMO Amazing how ballistics tests don't take 3 weeks to complete, huh? JMO
Neither should we question the cute little "inconclusive" Filenko tried to spin saying the gsr on his hands could have come from him holding the gun or him being near it with both hands when it went off.
Like we can't actually understand a freaking report?
Is there or is there not his palm and fingerprints on the weapon? Are there others? They know this already and are spinning every piece of evidence as it comes in because they think we will buy it.
Just like the evidence of a struggle that was not there until they figured out how to spin it to be evidence while completely disregarding other evidence needed for that evidence to make sense.
They honestly think we are stupid and I don't know if it is because we have as a society not questioned them enough in the past or if it is just their hubris.
And this is the sort of complete nonsense they feed juries too.
I had a question about his phone regarding his wife and her interview. She said she got a call asking about her husband dispatch number and then she said she called the police department. Why didn't she call his phone? I know not everyone does everything in the same way and maybe she did call and got a busy because he shot it or turned it off.
Also the first officer on the scene asked dispatch to call his cell but they have never said if that call went through.
So many things they could answer that have no bearing on the murderers.
I know some cell phones do have gps but they aren't always accurate within more than ten to twenty feet. Some are very accurate. They should be able to answer that and they should know if the dog was tracking somewhere he walked that morning.
So all cases are the same relatively speaking? Murder is as simple abc, 123?
Some are not more complex or technically difficult to process? Special tests and equipment, different labs and all that ?
You and maybe one or two others have deduced that all this is a ruse so this little police department can cover their
? Not everyone thinks this is so. We sure know your position though. If you guys want to go on beating a dead horse I guess it's your perogative. You might be right. It might be suicide. We'll see.
We are just startng the 6th week of the this investigation.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
A quick question that I should probably google first, but a lot of people in this thread appear extremely knowledgable about protocol so I'll ask it here first:
Regardless of what the coroner rules, is there a good chance there will never be a schematic and timeline made public? If the death is ruled anything other than suicide, I'm guessing that details such as exactly where the body was found in relation to the car/swampy area/shell casings/gun etc. was along with a solid timeline based on radio dispatch and LE arrival won't ever see the light of day unless someone is eventually tried for this in court? Is that correct? Will all these kinds of details be withheld since the case will be considered open in perpetuity?
(I can see an incentive to not close this case as a suicide if so)
Regardless of what the coroner rules, is there a good chance there will never be a schematic and timeline made public? If the death is ruled anything other than suicide, I'm guessing that details such as exactly where the body was found in relation to the car/swampy area/shell casings/gun etc. was along with a solid timeline based on radio dispatch and LE arrival won't ever see the light of day unless someone is eventually tried for this in court? Is that correct? Will all these kinds of details be withheld since the case will be considered open in perpetuity?
(I can see an incentive to not close this case as a suicide if so)
In the case of a suicide nothing has to be released and would probably only be released to quiet down those who don't trust the mod.
In the case of homicide a lot of stuff will be kept for the grand jury so we won't see that. Anything they releass will be things they think isn't important to the case but will quiet down rumors.
So all cases are the same relatively speaking? Murder is as simple abc, 123?
Some are not more complex or technically difficult to process? Special tests and equipment, different labs and all that ?
You and maybe one or two others have deduced that all this is a ruse so this little police department can cover their
I really was presuming that an autopsy and ballistics tests were done in the matter of the Mercer death. I hope they were, because citizens wanted to know. Wasn't he wearing body armor or was that just found at his home? Looks like he expected a battle, but killed himself, anyway. (he was reportedly very strange, so maybe that is how it went down.) JMO
Wouldn't information regarding a suicide be available via the freedom of information act?
It depends. Police are really good at getting things sealed. His family could also request it be sealed. I have also seen the problem of some thinking HIPAA applies even when it doesn't and giving a request the run around until it is sealed.
I really hope someone it's running constant requests. They should also be requesting from the various labs. Because you never know when something will be released.
In this instance I would think the greater good of serving the public interest would apply to release the records because of the great amount of public funds used in the investigation. So if they deny a request it would be Court battle but I think the request would win.
It is another discussion of how police believe they own investigations to begin with and can deny access, testing, and even destroy evidence when ever they want.
I know police are usually so quick to rule suicide that in recent years there has been an effort to train them to not destroy the scene and to take a minute to look for evidence to the contrary.
"Suspects" To "Persons of Interest" has been brought up more than once and although I may not agree with the poster, I do agree that this designation may be important. After going over the proper use of these words by definition. I came to realize the change may be due to LE being very careful with the language they use, especially during a press conference. Both to be clear and to avoid legalities down the road.
If they had found 3 men hiding in the swamp that day, they could be called suspects. Because they were in the immediate area of a crime and fit the witnesses description, although vague.
Since they were not found that day in the swamp, and there is no living witness to confirm that they were at the scene, they would have to be downgraded to POI. Because now they are not directly linked to the crime scene. Then If they do end up questioning a POI, and that POI gets linked to the scene through evidence or witness, they could be named as suspects.
I know the change in title didn't happen simultaneously with the release of the search area, but I think they are choosing their words more carefully as the days go on.
If they had found 3 men hiding in the swamp that day, they could be called suspects. Because they were in the immediate area of a crime and fit the witnesses description, although vague.
Since they were not found that day in the swamp, and there is no living witness to confirm that they were at the scene, they would have to be downgraded to POI. Because now they are not directly linked to the crime scene. Then If they do end up questioning a POI, and that POI gets linked to the scene through evidence or witness, they could be named as suspects.
I know the change in title didn't happen simultaneously with the release of the search area, but I think they are choosing their words more carefully as the days go on.
They changed it to person of interest because they don't want to concede these three didn't exist but they don't have proof or descriptions of any suspects that they can shoot on sight.
Persons of interest usually connotes someone wanted for questioning but not necessarily a suspect at this time.
They often request a person of interest to come forward who may have been a witness seen on video. Or a bystander who took a video.
Persons of interest usually connotes someone wanted for questioning but not necessarily a suspect at this time.
They often request a person of interest to come forward who may have been a witness seen on video. Or a bystander who took a video.
I think that the only way we may hear details about it, is if the FEDS wind up investigating the PD for corruption. I am not privy to any corruption with the PD, but comments from locals and Chicagoans that I have read on MSM articles indicate suspicion. If a suicide, I think that it would have to do with departmental issues, only because all else in his life SEEMED to be ok. I doubt that an affair would cause him to kill himself, and if he was terminally ill, someone would at least suspect that he was ill, even if he did not tell anyone about it. Something IMO, was a real threat to his reputation. I have no idea what that may be. JMO
To me the recent information about Lt CG being at the location and walking around for 20 minutes before calling in his first report is very important, for any of the scenarios being discussed.
Looking at the possibility that it was a suicide I’m wondering if it could have gone down something like this:
He has a plan in his head about how it should/could be done to allow his family to gain insurance etc. if it looks like an attack vs a suicide. He knows that it is best that he radio’s in like it’s no big deal he sees the three males and then shortly after that it is escalating and to send backup. He walks around a little thinking about the scene he wants to create and talks himself into doing it.
He goes to a little off the road (so they can find him somewhat quick) and makes the first call, waits a couple minutes and makes the second call. Now he shoots himself trying to shoot up under his vest. But because it is such a difficult angle (hold your hand in that possible position to see what I mean), it jerks slightly and hits his vest. (Also, maybe he tried to pull the trigger with his thumb, because of the angle, and his thumb print is on the gun in an odd spot and that is causing confusion for investigators)?
Now he is stunned and knows that backup is coming up quick so he heads further down the gravel road and further into the woods/swamp so that backup can’t see him shooting himself this second time. Now he shoots down from the top. This could explain the 100’ distance between the shell casings, the possible angles and trajectories.
Looking at the possibility that it was a suicide I’m wondering if it could have gone down something like this:
He has a plan in his head about how it should/could be done to allow his family to gain insurance etc. if it looks like an attack vs a suicide. He knows that it is best that he radio’s in like it’s no big deal he sees the three males and then shortly after that it is escalating and to send backup. He walks around a little thinking about the scene he wants to create and talks himself into doing it.
He goes to a little off the road (so they can find him somewhat quick) and makes the first call, waits a couple minutes and makes the second call. Now he shoots himself trying to shoot up under his vest. But because it is such a difficult angle (hold your hand in that possible position to see what I mean), it jerks slightly and hits his vest. (Also, maybe he tried to pull the trigger with his thumb, because of the angle, and his thumb print is on the gun in an odd spot and that is causing confusion for investigators)?
Now he is stunned and knows that backup is coming up quick so he heads further down the gravel road and further into the woods/swamp so that backup can’t see him shooting himself this second time. Now he shoots down from the top. This could explain the 100’ distance between the shell casings, the possible angles and trajectories.
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