IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[vestigare]

More questions for the task force.
-Did the family have an independent autopsy or
-Who chose Montez
-Has Montez received certification, did he pass his pathology board exams
-Would you turn the investigation over to the feds or another appointed board of investigators
-Have you consulted a PR firm or had internal meetings regarding fallout if this is suicide
-Has anyone in govt outside the task force intimated there would be fallout if this is suicide. If yes, who? And what was said.

-What was this special camera supposed to test and have you received the camera and what were the results?
-Was there stippling or tattooing and does it show where exactly the gun was held for each shot?
-Were there clear finger prints from joe on his gun?
-Was there blood splatter and where

 

[vestigare]

Not that they are about to tell us, but I would really like to see a timeline of CG's activities, places, conversations etc, from the morning of the 31st Aug , through the whole day and evening and night, and the same for the morning of Sept.1. JMO

You know there is no reason not to tell us that. It has no bearing on the suspects unless they want to claim he met one of them and followed them there. So why won't they tell us? In many homicide investigations they even want that info out there so people who may have seen the victim in the hours leading up to the murder and might have noticed something odd will come forward with any info.

 

[cady]

This has probably been answered, but was CG REQUIRED to retire from FLPD, or was that an option? JMO

 

[cady]

You know there is no reason not to tell us that. It has no bearing on the suspects unless they want to claim he met one of them and followed them there. So why won't they tell us? In many homicide investigations they even want that info out there so people who may have seen the victim in the hours leading up to the murder and might have noticed something odd will come forward with any info.

Possibly no info out of consideration for his family, their privacy, and the privacy of others. JMO

 

[vestigare]

This has probably been answered, but was CG REQUIRED to retire from FLPD, or was that an option? JMO

I don't know the answer. I can't think the reasoning why he would be required to retire unless they have some sort of time in grade specification like in the military.
He just got 30 years but wasn't at a cut of age like 55 or 60 either.

So I do wonder if he did not have to retire why he chose to when he was trying to find other jobs but not getting them. That doesn't sound like someone who wants to retire but is rather leaving because he has to for some reason or had some sort of disagreement where he didn't want to be in that department anymore.

 

[Chuz Life]

This has probably been answered, but was CG REQUIRED to retire from FLPD, or was that an option? JMO

Not sure, but I think it was an option. My reason for believing that is based only on a report that I read that said the Lt was "asked" to stay an additional month.

 

[cady]

At the risk of irritating anyone, I wonder if perhaps his health had something to do with his decision...but for any new job, wouldn't he be required to have a physical? JMO

 

[vestigare]

At the risk of irritating anyone, I wonder if perhaps his health had something to do with his decision...but for any new job, wouldn't he be required to have a physical? JMO

That is what I want to know. Did he have reason to believe his getting another job would mean a physical or drugs test?

Also did his retirement require one?

 

[vestigare]

At the risk of irritating anyone, I wonder if perhaps his health had something to do with his decision...but for any new job, wouldn't he be required to have a physical? JMO

Pdf for Chief of Antioch.
Doesn specify medical or drug test required. Does say you must meet physical requirements but not how they are determined.

http://www.antioch.il.gov/HR/Jobs/PoliceChiefRecruitment.pdf

 

[night train]

I don't know the answer. I can't think the reasoning why he would be required to retire unless they have some sort of time in grade specification like in the military.
He just got 30 years but wasn't at a cut of age like 55 or 60 either.

So I do wonder if he did not have to retire why he chose to when he was trying to find other jobs but not getting them. That doesn't sound like someone who wants to retire but is rather leaving because he has to for some reason or had some sort of disagreement where he didn't want to be in that department anymore.

I believe that in Illinois,he was eligible to retire from the Fox Lake Police Department and receive 75% of his salary and then able work anywhere he was able to find desirable employment and maintain benefits.

Higher annual income,none of the downsides of being a cop.With his many years and connections in the community,it's realistic.

 

[vestigare]

I believe that in Illinois,he was eligible to retire from the Fox Lake Police Department and receive 75% of his salary and then able work anywhere he was able to find desirable employment and maintain benefits.

Higher annual income,none of the downsides of being a cop.With his many years and connections in the community,it's realistic.

But he still didn't have a job qnd everyone knows it easier to get a job when you have one. Especially for someone in their 50's. So if he was already struggling with money as indicated by his social media then why accept a 25% decrease in salary, cut in medical etc... with no prospect of another job on the horizon? It sounds suspicious in light of all investigations involved with that PD and even him.

 

[cady]

Seems like he was qualified. But the position was by appointment by the Mayor of Antioch. Wonder who was chosen over him. JMO

 

[vestigare]

Seems like he was qualified. But the position was by appointment by the Mayor of Antioch. Wonder who was chosen over him. JMO

Steve Huffman former St. Charles Deputy Chief.

 

[Chuz Life]

On a personal note. . .

I have tried abstain from building a case as for why the Lt may have committed suicide. I still hold the view that the ambush and shooting may have been staged but he might not have intended to kill himself.

I believe that a case for intentional or accidental suicide can be made with the physical evidence alone (in this case) and out of respect for his privacy and for his family, I would like to see only the amount of information that is necessary to make a ruling in the case (murder, homicide, accidental or intentional suicide, etc.)

Maybe some of my feelings on this is because I can empathize with many of the Lt's personal situations myself.

 

[vestigare]

On a personal note. . .

I have tried abstain from building a case as for why the Lt may have committed suicide. I still hold the view that the ambush and shooting may have been staged but he might not have intended to kill himself.

I believe that a case for intentional or accidental suicide can be made with the physical evidence alone (in this case) and out of respect for his privacy and for his family, I would like to see only the amount of information that is necessary to make a ruling in the case (murder, homicide, accidental or intentional suicide, etc.)

Maybe some of my feelings on this is because I can empathize with many of the Lt's personal situations myself.

I respect that. I don't believe this is the case here but however in some jurisdictions coroners won't even determine suicide without motive so this often has to be applied to the investigation. But I respect your position and do believe it doesn't truly matter why he did it and it can be proven without any known reason why he might have done it. We may never know why.

 

[cady]

Chuz...What would or could have been the purpose of unintentional ?

 

[night train]

But he still didn't have a job qnd everyone knows it easier to get a job when you have one. Especially for someone in their 50's. So if he was already struggling with money as indicated by his social media then why accept a 25% decrease in salary, cut in medical etc... with no prospect of another job on the horizon? It sounds suspicious in light of all investigations involved with that PD and even him.

As far as we know,there wasn't a Chief Of Police job on the horizon,it's possible he had other options,perhaps an understanding with a Lake County business owner,etc...

There was some video posted that showed him training the Explorers,he used a derivation of the "F" word several time when making key points.My personal views on PC behavior aside,this example and any possible similar conduct that may have surfaced,would probably have made the odds of a Chief's position unlikely.

 

[Chuz Life]

Chuz...What would or could have been the purpose of unintentional ?

Cady, I think it's still possible that the Lt intentionally shot himself twice (aiming for his vest) to try to make it look like he was ambushed. He might have intended to survive his staged attack to grab some headlines or for other reasons. Who knows why?

If (that's a big if) . . . IF that's what he was up to - he may have missed his vest on the 2nd shot and as we know, that shot resulted in his death.

 

[vestigare]

As far as we know,there wasn't a Chief Of Police job on the horizon,it's possible he had other options,perhaps an understanding with a Lake County business owner,etc...

There was some video posted that showed him training the Explorers,he used a derivation of the "F" word several time when making key points.My personal views on PC behavior aside,this example and any possible similar conduct that may have surfaced,would probably have made the odds of a Chief's position unlikely.

We know he didn't get two Chief positions. His wife said he had applied for them as well. So he was going to stay in LE it looked like. Yes, he could have had something in the works but we don't know that and it is all part of the victimology they refuse to release.

I agree he wasn't very smart with his online persona if he was job hunting. I also think there are additional politics at play in this right knit LE community.

 

[vestigare]

Cady, I think it's still possible that the Lt intentionally shot himself twice (aiming for his vest) to try to make it look like he was ambushed. He might have intended to survive his staged attack to grab some headlines or for other reasons. Who knows why?

If (that's a big if) . . . IF that's what he was up to - he may have missed his vest on the 2nd shot and as we know, that shot resulted in his death.

That is possible but I can not think how they would ever prove it unless he did some computer searches on workmans comp recently and was interested in other officer shootings.