IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Cubby]

This man was in the prime of his life. Beautiful family, looking forward to retirement.
A pillar in the community. For what valid reasons did he have for wanting to commit suicide? If he was being forced to retire for some reason, he was still quite young enough to hire on at either either a different police post, take the state troopers exam or even be Be private investigator if he loved his job so much.

And you would think that as a police officer having all those years of experience that he would have know investigators would have found out he indeed faked or altered the scene. And therefore would have been looked at very poorly in the eyes of people that loved him.

I heard the state police are not hiring right now due go budget problems and that they are not replacing troopers who retire.
Unless someone leaves a suicide note, I don't think there is any way to know why, unless an investigation (in general) uncovers improper behavior, financial problems, illness.....

 

[Cubby]

I don't see how they could possibly be connected now that we know Joe was there for twenty minutes before he called in.

Why? Is it not possible he saw the same three people walking by during the 20 minutes he was walking around? Should we assume then if the three interviewed were not the three he saw there was another set of three, two white one black in the area?

Why can't the call about the three suspects have been a spur of the moment change in plans and called in as possible suspects because he saw them? Maybe he had planned to harm himself without any radio call until he saw the three walking by.

Just because they were cleared of being involved doesn't mean there weren't seen by lt cg during the 20 minutes he was in the area.

 

[Cubby]

I don't think he wanted to retire either which makes me question what the impetus was for it?
Wife, illness, PD politics, an investigation?

I also can not imagine he would retire before Sept 1 as his wife stated he was not eligible for the highest retirement until Aug 31.

So maybe he was figuring sept, but again why when he didn't have to and acted as if it was difficult for him?

Do you have a link where his wife said he was eligible to retire on August 31? I don't recall seeing anything with an exact date.

 

[vestigare]

Why? Is it not possible he saw the same three people walking by during the 20 minutes he was walking around? Should we assume then if the three interviewed were not the three he saw there was another set of three, two white one black in the area?

Why can't the call about the three suspects have been a spur of the moment change in plans and called in as possible suspects because he saw them? Maybe he had planned to harm himself without any radio call until he saw the three walking by.

Just because they were cleared of being involved doesn't mean there weren't seen by lt cg during the 20 minutes he was in the area.

I think the three they found were a huge coincidence and he didn't see anyone.
Let me try to explain this without confusing myself.
You are onsite for 20 minutes and the investigators did not know this when you call in a sighting.
They assume the guys you saw were in fact there at the exact time you called in and said you saw them in that area.
Now the investigation begins. They are looking for men who fit that description who are in the area around the time you called.
They aren't looking for men that fit that description across town at that same time because you can't be in two places at once.

So it is safe to say that the men they found must have been in that general area around that general time to have sparked an interest. But they must not have been in that EXACT area as they were cleared via receipts that proved they could not be in two places at once.
It also is likely they would have had to account for travel time to these places that allowed them proof they were not in the area at the time he called. So unless they were in fact walking through the area at 20 minutes before he called and then they happened to be seen by him in an abandoned lot and then they have enough time to get to another location that allows them an alibi that they could not have ever been near that lot it says to me they were not part of the ones seen.



I just think the coincidence would be such that the easier explanation was they not the ones seen by him.

 

[vestigare]

Do you have a link where his wife said he was eligible to retire on August 31? I don't recall seeing anything with an exact date.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCx2234D_vc
Crime Watch Daily Interview with Wife
5:37 The narrator says "Tragically he was eligible to retire the day before he died."
Then the wife talks about him walking away.
Then they talk about how he was staying on duty because he wanted to take care of the Explorers.

So it wasn't actually the wife that said it.

 

[Elley Mae]

Just a side note. You might want to ask your husband for his Social Media passwords. When a person passes away it can be difficult to get Facebook, LinkedIn, Myspace or Twitter to remove the site if you are not in possession of the passwords. And you might not wish to have that info remaining out there after he is dead.

Just a thought. Nothing meant by it.
There are also companies that can manage this for you which people might want to look into.

Thanks but he is not on any of those, & I am on only one and have stopped posting/going there. We keep low profiles.

 

[vestigare]

Thanks but he is not on any of those, & I am on only one and have stopped posting/going there. We keep low profiles.

Yeah I have no social media presence at all. Security and all. It makes my professional life much easier.
Thankfully I don't have to deal with those hiring managers that believe not having a snoop-able social media is suspicious.
But you can bet when I hire people I snoop them. LOL

 

[Cubby]

We get it. You think it is a suicide. And you may well be correct. But clearly not everyone is in agreement with you just yet. As I have stated several times, there are some people who are viewing this as a suicide and want additional evidence to convince them otherwise. Some of us are viewing this as a homicide and want to see additional evidence that it is a suicide. And I do not believe we have all of the information we need at this point, at least not publicly. That doesn't mean we don't understand your point of view. You have explained it a million ways from Sunday. We all get it. You think it is a suicide. You feel they are wasting time and money, and they are covering it up. We get it. But not all of us are convinced yet. It is quite alright for you to express your opinion on the case, but it is not ok to continue to call out anyone who might not agree with you as not "getting it."

GSR on his hands, shot at close range with his own weapon, no evidence of the suspects he radio'd in, a meeting appx 18 hours prior to his death during which he discusses what he wishes for the explorers after he is gone, an enormous manhunt with multiple agencies including the FBI, US Marshals and Homeland Security which can't find suspects, k-9 units which can't find evidence of suspects.

With the above evidence already released in MSM, what about that information doesn't confirm suicide for you? Why do you feel ruling a mod suicide based on the above msm information would be insufficient to determine suicide?

 

[night train]

Exactly! I think that is why they are being so elusive to answer exactly how it entered and where it entered and what hands were involved. Because it might be in at an angle that a second person standing over your upright body would have to be a contortionist to have helped you pull the trigger.

I'm thinking that the trajectory of the fatal shot would be easy enough to explain without requiring either Joe or a perp to be a contortionist, Wild Bill Hickok or Doc Holiday.

We've got gsr on Lt. Joe and various scenarios to consider,but finding an airtight forensic conclusion one way or the other has got to be difficult and time consuming no matter which way it points.

 

[Cubby]

Snipped by me.
It is interesting that they are waiting for websites to comply with requests. You would think his wife would have his passwords.

Investigators will always secure a search warrant regarding any potential evidence that may be submitted in court. Prosecutors risk evidence being ruled inadmissable in court if it was collected without a warrant.

 

[Elley Mae]

I gotta read up on what happens after suicide, I didn't know it would end up in court over going into someones computer without a search warrant. dang things have changed.jmo idk

 

[vestigare]

I'm thinking that the trajectory of the fatal shot would be easy enough to explain without requiring either Joe or a perp to be a contortionist, Wild Bill Hickok or Doc Holiday.

We've got gsr on Lt. Joe and various scenarios to consider,but finding an airtight forensic conclusion has got to be difficult no matter which way it points.

It should be easy to explain but they haven't explained it. Which makes me wonder why?
Sure you can get GSR on your hands just being near a firing gun and he might have fired the gun at a perp which means he has GSR.
Howeverthat evidence in conjunction with other evidence is what is the kicker.
If there are no other prints on the gun then we know someone didn't get his gun. Or at least we know they were not the last people to have touched the gun. Thus the last shot if it came from his gun has to have been shot by Joe.
We also have blood splatter I would imagine which will show if it was blocked by another person or object standing in the path when it happened?
All this evidence has to be weighed against the other evidence. No single piece of evidence is going to say

 

[vestigare]

Investigators will always secure a search warrant regarding any potential evidence that may be submitted in court. Prosecutors risk evidence being ruled inadmissable in court if it was collected without a warrant.

Not if the wife is the executor of his estate. She can authorize evidence collection without warrant. But you are correct they should get one anyway. However, you don't require the warrant to go to the companies running the websites if you just have a warrant that authorizes the wife to give the passwords and she hands it over.

Investigators typically only request info when they themselves are not able to get into the account on the warrant they have.

They won't request info from Google with a warrant if they have the warrant to search the computer and they can read and access his emails from it. The warrant to search the computer covers that already.

 

[katydid23]

Snipped by me.
It is interesting that they are waiting for websites to comply with requests. You would think his wife would have his passwords.

Why would his wife have all of his passwords?

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm trying to figure out how this ends up in court.

 

[katydid23]

It should be easy to explain but they haven't explained it. Which makes me wonder why?
Sure you can get GSR on your hands just being near a firing gun and he might have fired the gun at a perp which means he has GSR.
Howeverthat evidence in conjunction with other evidence is what is the kicker.
If there are no other prints on the gun then we know someone didn't get his gun. Or at least we know they were not the last people to have touched the gun. Thus the last shot if it came from his gun has to have been shot by Joe.
We also have blood splatter I would imagine which will show if it was blocked by another person or object standing in the path when it happened?
All this evidence has to be weighed against the other evidence. No single piece of evidence is going to say

BBM Unless the shooter had gloves on.

I agree that no single piece of evidence is going to say it all. Which is why this could not have been labeled a suicide within the first hour. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I gotta read up on what happens after suicide, I didn't know it would end up in court over going into someones computer without a search warrant. dang things have changed.jmo idk

Typically you are going to have a really hard sell to a judge to get a search warrant for a suicide. That is usually considered private and it damages the family and courts are sensitive to that.
They will serve a warrant in states where they have to prove motive to rule suicide or in cases where it might be murder.

Most of the time the suicide angle is brought up by defendants who try to subpoena the computer to prove the guy committed suicide and he wasn't killed by their client. That needless to say is rarely successful.

This is a special case here because his family thinks it was murder and the investigators think it was murder.
I would think his wife is being cooperative considering they make a big deal out of her being a "cops wife" who knows how it rolls etc....

 

[cady]

Wouldn't they have HAD to secure warrants for swabbing minors? Were the available Explorers swabbed? I think that because many if not all are minors, those warrants would be sealed. JMO

 

[vestigare]

BBM Unless the shooter had gloves on.

I agree that no single piece of evidence is going to say it all. Which is why this could not have been labeled a suicide within the first hour. JMO

Even gloves will leave prints, not finger prints but will leave evidence of the pattern of the glove laid into the previous prints on the gun. It will also leave evidence of leather or fibers. Not to mention any transfer DNA from you putting the gloves on and touching the outside of the gloves.
And who thinks gloves were involved on an summer day?

But like I said if his prints were the last prints then we know he was the last to touch it. Doesn't matter how many people with gloves touched it beforehand.

 

[vestigare]

Wouldn't they have HAD to secure warrants for swabbing minors? Were the available Explorers swabbed? I think that because many if not all are minors, those warrants would be sealed. JMO

Parents can give consent for minors.
They should have gotten warrants for every single swab they did no on LEO.
But again I bet a lot of people are willing to hand over their rights when a cop asks for a swab.