IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[Walker007]

Something tells me they probably haven't even bothered to look. I also believe the FBI were crucial in proving they were not connected so who knows how much info the task force has on these guys. I get the impression the FBI was being really careful not to hand those guys over too quickly to the task force when they suspected they could not be related to this. Otherwise the FBI would have screen capped their faces and plastered them on tv.

But it certainly would be interesting to know if he saw these guys. I sure hope for his family's sake he didn't see any real people and decide to use them.

The task force is the lead investigative agency. To withhold evidence from the lead is far fetched as the FBI is called in to extend their resources to the task force. Federal is not the lead commanding authority. The likelihood that the task force did the ground work on these three is more probable. Why do you feel they would they withhold information from the lead investigating agency? Sounds like a conspiracy.

Also, I apologize in advance if I am mistaken but I thought I read that you wrote somewhere, vestigare, that you know for a fact that there is an additional FBI investigation being conducted secondary to the internal investigation involving the chief. Can you provide a link to this information? I know it's been speculated or questioned if this is the case but I have not read that anywhere.

 

[Walker007]

I guess to the Fox Lake PD walking around with two of your friends and then running from a cop is suspicious behavior.

If you google "reasonable suspicion" you will find some information pertaining to "running from a cop"

Here is one link for example:
https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/what-is-reasonable-suspicion/

However, they have been court cases that vary over this topic. For anyone wanting to further delve into this topic.

 

[Walker007]

That might be true. I hadn't thought about him being the Operations Chief. He was also the Communications Chief so would he have been privy to complaints in that capacity?
I know he was being investigated in another investigation and I think the Task Force is being really careful never to bring that investigation up to the press because as long as they can keep denying he wasn't the focus of the Behan investigation then they are golden.

I think Joe expected to be made Chief at least interim Chief and we know that didn't happen. So something was seriously going where the higher ups were not willing to give Joe a leg up. Could be personal could be political could be tied to investigations and they just can't put themselves into more hot water.

It will be interesting to see who is made Chief ....

"I know he was being investigated in another investigation and I think the Task Force is being really careful never to bring that investigation up to the press because as long as they can keep denying he wasn't the focus of the Behan investigation then they are golden."

This is what I was referencing. Which investigation are you referring to? I must have missed this one.

 

[looking4OPH]

Initially, when we were speculating about 3 being high school kids, it seemed to be a good possibility, given the place and time but I'm presuming that the HS kids have all been accounted for, by now. JMO

There were investigations into student attendance at the high school in the days after. Didn't hear of anything substantial coming from that, although being minors would mean none of that information would be readily available.

 

[night train]

Something tells me they probably haven't even bothered to look. I also believe the FBI were crucial in proving they were not connected so who knows how much info the task force has on these guys. I get the impression the FBI was being really careful not to hand those guys over too quickly to the task force when they suspected they could not be related to this. Otherwise the FBI would have screen capped their faces and plastered them on tv.

But it certainly would be interesting to know if he saw these guys. I sure hope for his family's sake he didn't see any real people and decide to use them.

"To protect and serve" JMO

BBM

All we have at the end of our time on earth is our reputation,who we were and how we served our sisters and brothers.

Lt.Joe Gliniewicz spent over 30 years of his life "protecting and serving" in our Nation's Military and as a Fox Lake Police Officer.That he behaved in any way contrary to that is still speculation at this time.There remains a great deal of information that we still do not have as well as misinformation and or unidentified sources of information accepted as fact.

If Lt.Gliniewicz fabricated these characters,I will be as outraged as anyone in this discussion.I hope the truth whatever it be,is found sooner than later.

 

[night train]

There were investigations into student attendance at the high school in the days after. Didn't hear of anything substantial coming from that, although being minors would mean none of that information would be readily available.

I can say from personal experience as a parent,that currently,High Schools can be unbelievably poor at keeping track of attendance and a whole lot else.

Two High School guys scoring some drugs from an adult (with a record and prison time if caught) at the abandoned cement plant ? In Fox Lake ? Hard to say,after all...Why go to the cement plant when you can get drugs (among other things) from your High School Teacher ?

 

[vestigare]

The task force is the lead investigative agency. To withhold evidence from the lead is far fetched as the FBI is called in to extend their resources to the task force. Federal is not the lead commanding authority. The likelihood that the task force did the ground work on these three is more probable. Why do you feel they would they withhold information from the lead investigating agency? Sounds like a conspiracy.

Also, I apologize in advance if I am mistaken but I thought I read that you wrote somewhere, vestigare, that you know for a fact that there is an additional FBI investigation being conducted secondary to the internal investigation involving the chief. Can you provide a link to this information? I know it's been speculated or questioned if this is the case but I have not read that anywhere.

The FBI were the ones that did all the anylisis and the "chronological order" on the videos. FILENKO SAID THIS MANY TIMES.

"Once that's ready, we'll be set to review those," Filenko said.

Here is just link of many.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-84360472/

The FBI had them. not the task force. So it isn't a conspiracy for the agnecy who is doing the work to not turn over speculative information until they can vouch for it. I don't care who is supposedly in charge.

 

[vestigare]

If you google "reasonable suspicion" you will find some information pertaining to "running from a cop"

Here is one link for example:
https://www.flexyourrights.org/faqs/what-is-reasonable-suspicion/

HowI ver, they have been court cases that vary over this topic. For anyone wanting to further delve into this topic.

Thanks however I am very aware of my civil rights and what I can and can't do with a cop. the link might be helpful for others though it doesn't address what I was speaking of in any depth.

the problem with RS and PC usually stems from cops not understanding rights and law not the people encountering them.

 

[cady]

Thanks however I am very aware of my civil rights and what I can and can't do with a cop. theb link might be helpful for others though it doesn't address what I was speaking of in any depth.

the problem with RS and PC usually stems from cops not understanding rights and law not the peopleencounter.ountdf

Am I thinking of someone else, or wasn't it Freddie Gray that ran from a Baltimore cop? JMO

 

[vestigare]

Am I thinking of someone else, or wasn't it Freddie Gray that ran from a Baltimore cop? JMO

Yeah and they claimed it was a high crime area which made it legal to chase him. that will be contested in court. But they can't claim any area in Fox Lake is high crime. Even if there was some tagging there in the past. That is stretching incredulity.

 

[cady]

What's "tagging"? Just identifying as a place or person of interest? JMO

 

[vestigare]

What's "tagging"? Just identifying as a place or person of interest? JMO

Sorry, Tagging is spray painting graffiti usually with gang symbols.
Filenko said the area had some grafitti and squatting in the past.

 

[Cubby]

I would imagine if he regularly inspected this area he was aware of the lack of cctv.

Personally, I think he chose the area for it's remoteness, lack of surveillance, noisy industrial area, privacy......

 

[cady]

Personally, I think he chose the area for it's remoteness, lack of surveillance, noisy industrial area, privacy......

And close proximity to the PD.....JMO

 

[Cubby]

The task force is the lead investigative agency. To withhold evidence from the lead is far fetched as the FBI is called in to extend their resources to the task force. Federal is not the lead commanding authority. The likelihood that the task force did the ground work on these three is more probable. Why do you feel they would they withhold information from the lead investigating agency? Sounds like a conspiracy.

RSBM

Early on MSM released information indicating the video was turned over to the FBI or DHS. Clearly they did the ground work on any information gleaned from the surveillance video obtained.

George Filenko, commander of the Lake County Major Crimes Task Force, said videos from intersection cameras, private residents and businesses are now in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security or the FBI. The federal agents are working to put the videos in chronological order, Filenko said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...e-shooting-search-st-0905-20150904-story.html

 

[Cubby]

BBM

All we have at the end of our time on earth is our reputation,who we were and how we served our sisters and brothers.

Lt.Joe Gliniewicz spent over 30 years of his life "protecting and serving" in our Nation's Military and as a Fox Lake Police Officer.That he behaved in any way contrary to that is still speculation at this time.There remains a great deal of information that we still do not have as well as misinformation and or unidentified sources of information accepted as fact.

If Lt.Gliniewicz fabricated these characters,I will be as outraged as anyone in this discussion.I hope the truth whatever it be,is found sooner than later.

At this point, I'm not really concerned about the three alleged suspects. The only thing I am interested in is whether the weapon was fired by LT. CG or not. That's all that really matters here, the bottom line so to speak.

 

[Cubby]

And close proximity to the PD.....JMO

I thought about that too. I thought about what would have happened if he did not call, and I had thought it was likely he would have been missed fairly quickly, his car would have been found fairly easily, but if he wasn't expected at roll call and it took several hours to find him on that hot day, well, it wouldn't have been pretty. If he wasn't expected at roll call, surely it would have taken longer to realize he was missing. I think the reason for the radio call was he wanted to be found sooner rather than later.

 

[night train]

Personally, I think he chose the area for it's remoteness, lack of surveillance, noisy industrial area, privacy......

Exactly the same reason the 2 male whites / 1 male black picked that location for a drug deal. (If they exist)

 

[Chuz Life]

I have been intrigued by some of the news reports and comments about the 20 minutes that Lt Gliniewicz was reportedly "on site" before he radioed in about the three suspects. As I posted before, I have a background in electronics and radio communications and I wanted to try to answer some questions about what model radio the Lt might have been carrying that would have GPS capability.

The short answer (according to my findings and understanding) is that the report by Filenko - that the GPS was in the squad car and connected to the computer terminal is most likely the case.

I have installed units like those (GPS and all) in police vehicles in the past and while I have seen and even installed GPS in two way radios in my past as well, there are very very few portables that have that capability. It's clear from the pictures and one of the rewards offered, that Fox Lake PD carries "Motorola" radios. I can not find any portable (hand held) units that have GPS that Fox Lake would likely have had in their system.

This does not mean for certain that the Lt's portable radio did not have GPS capability but I highly doubt that it did. GPS receivers usually require a special antenna with a clear path towards the sky to receive signals from the GPS satellites overhead. The GPS systems in cell phones are an exception to this. That is because they (cell phones) have the signals from multiple cell towers to use for triangulation and so they do not rely on the GPS satellites overhead.

I hope this information is helpful towards answering some of your questions.

 

[longlonglake]

That area on Honing Road is a wooded, wet area, but it's not like it's in the middle of the wilderness. How could bow hunting go on there when it is in between two major highways? I don't think it's a place where deer would even go, except maybe by chance, just wandering through. JMO

But if you look at all the places on the satellite maps of Fox Lake, that is a perfectly located area to stage all this. One of the most secluded (because of dead end gravel road), wooded (even though not a large area in square mileage), suspected (previous criminal activity), logical (because he was expected to patrol there), invisible (no cameras).


Does anyone know what the square mileage of this area is? It's been awhile since I've been there, but I'd guess it's around 1 or less.