IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #4

[night train]

Got any foot prints on that dirt/ gravel road?

Any reports of Lt.Gliniewicz having left footprints on the gravel road after exiting his Patrol Car ?

Much would depend on the on the material used,gravel size,ratio of dirt to gravel and possibly the weather conditions around that time.I'm not far from the location,but maybe one of the locals who've been there recently can describe the surface.

 

[Japple]

Got any foot prints on that dirt/ gravel road?

What would leave tracks on a dry gravel road?

 

[looking4OPH]

I thought his body was 50 yards.


The backup units arrived at 8:01 and found their fellow officer dead, roughly 50 yards from his vehicle, at 8:09, Filenko said.

Is there a source for where specifically his vehicle was found?

 

[Thora_Jay]

Any reports of Lt.Gliniewicz having left footprints on the gravel road after exiting his Patrol Car ?

Much would depend on the on the material used,gravel size,ratio of dirt to gravel and possibly the weather conditions around that time.I'm not far from the location,but maybe one of the locals who've been there recently can describe the surface.

I am a local and I have photos of the surface that I took weeks ago and also yesterday.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Cubby, I took some video for you and Cady weeks ago, I could not upload the video for some reason.

 

[Japple]

I have a question. Did I miss where it said that he (The Lt.) was not being considered for the Fox Lake police chief job? I was under the impression that no decisions were made as the Chief decided to retire in light of him being put on administrative leave. You can read the Chief's remarks about his retirement in the Village Agenda that I have linked numerous times.

I just want to make sure we clarify if we are speculating because a lot of times this information gets thrown around as if it's been verified as fact and it gets confusing.

Considering he was planning on retiring and planning for a Chief job elsewhere. Would the process be the same if he was also up for consideration for Fox Lake Chief? Would he retire and then take his position as Chief? As far as we know the interim Chief was named after the LT. passed away. How are we to assume that he didn't meet with the Mayor because he was being considered for Chief? He was after all present at the last Village Agenda meeting.

Do we even know that he wanted the Fox Lake COP position? I wouldn't be surprised if he was ready to distance himself from the department all together. With all the BS going on. Even his buddy Behan decided to leave the department.

 

[night train]

What would leave tracks on a dry gravel road?

On any halfway decent dry gravel road,you wouldn't see footprints.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Yes, he wanted the postilion in Fox Lake and Lakemoor.

 

[looking4OPH]

Then to consider the Lt's claim that "THEY headed towards the swamp?" It's highly unlikely, since the swamp area is so close to the road there.

Respectfully, I don't agree that the "swamp" referred to in his report to dispatch was any specific area. As reviewed up-thread in defining swamp/bog/wetland, it could have been in any of the south to southeast to east direction from the Honing gate. In a hasty description of the area, ANY of that could be referred to as "swamp". Moving from the industrial area near the chrome shop or any other business and away south/easterly, I would consider anything in that direction to be swamp-like. It may be a bit nit-picky, but would be making an assumption IMHO of a specific swampy area.

 

[katydid23]

He likely felt terribly hurt,perhaps depressed about being rejected for the Fox Lake C.O.P position and decided to sever all ties with the community.

Do we know if he even wanted the Fox lake position? After 30 yrs, he might have wanted to bounce out of there. JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

I thought his body was 50 yards.


The backup units arrived at 8:01 and found their fellow officer dead, roughly 50 yards from his vehicle, at 8:09, Filenko said.

http://fox6now.com/2015/09/08/fox-l...-suspects-ongoing-fbi-sifts-through-evidence/

50 yards is far for 1 cop to chase 3 suspects on foot. Especially without knowing if they are armed.

Plus if he seen them from a good distance. Then they also noticed him from a good distance. So he would have been persuing them while they were persuing him.

Obviously. He was not in front of them for the first call which left enough time to describe clothing and the actual peculiar situation.

Plus if no other cars were around then he would know that they were on foot. Now why request backup on the 2nd call but still not describe a possible upcoming situation.

He sounded like. Oh okay. Send backup.

He didn't even ask for backup plus he sounded somewhat hesitant about sending backup.

It sounded like. He knew it was now or never once he finally agreed to have backup come. Jmo

 

[Japple]

Any reports of Lt.Gliniewicz having left footprints on the gravel road after exiting his Patrol Car ?

Much would depend on the on the material used,gravel size,ratio of dirt to gravel and possibly the weather conditions around that time.I'm not far from the location,but maybe one of the locals who've been there recently can describe the surface.

I've never been down that road, but considering years of concrete trucks going over it, the dry conditions, lack of vegetation on the road itself, I'd say it is pretty hard pact.

 

[night train]

Do we even know that he wanted the Fox Lake COP position? I wouldn't be surprised if he was ready to distance himself from the department all together. With all the BS going on. Even his buddy Behan decided to leave the department.

Yep,
I'm right there with ya on this in post 1077

 

[Thora_Jay]

On any halfway decent dry gravel road,you wouldn't see footprints.

You would see prints directly off the side of a gravel road right.. No way that anyone would stay only on the road, they would go off the side and that is not gravel.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, he wanted the postilion in Fox Lake and Lakemoor.

How do we know that he wanted Fox Lake job?

 

[Boo Radley]

I assume this is directed toward my recent comments. I tried to make it clear that this was speculation on my part and I also try explain the known facts upon which this speculation is based. I have inserted underlined comments below in an attempt to clarify.

I have a question. Did I miss where it said that he (The Lt.) was not being considered for the Fox Lake police chief job? I was under the impression that no decisions were made as the Chief decided to retire in light of him being put on administerative leave. You can read the Chief's remarks about his retirement in the Village Agenda that I have linked numerous times.

I just want to make sure we clarify if we are speculating because a lot of times this information gets thrown around as if it's been verified as fact and it gets confusing. (See my bold below)

Considering he was planning on retiring and planning for a Chief job elsewhere. Would the process be the same if he was also up for consideration for Fox Lake Chief? Would he retire and then take his position as Chief?(No. He would not retire. He would be "promoted" and appointed as chief while remaining an employee of the PD & City of Fox Lake) As far as we know the interim Chief was named after the LT. passed away. (They never named an interim chief. After the Lt's death, they eventually brought in a member of the Lake County Sheriffs department to provide temporary leadership while they search for a new chief. In a speech, the mayor specifically thanked a Fox Lake Lt, other than Lt G, for running the PD after Behan's sudden retirement. Therefore I think that we can safely assume that Lt G was the one chosen to run the department during this time ) How are we to assume that he didn't meet with the Mayor becausew he was being considered for Chief? (As I said below, this is my assumption based on the fact that the Mayor himself only said that he asked Lt G to stay until the end of September as they search for Behan's replacement. With all the praise the mayor had for Lt G, why wouldn't he share that information if he had in fact offered him the interim chief position or was considering him as a candidate for the position of chief?). He was after all present at the last Village Agenda meeting.

BBM

I'm not sure if it was ever stated that his last day was August 31st. After the shooting, the Tribune reported that Fox Lake Mayor Donn Scmidt, a close friend of Lt G, said "He'd recently discussed retiring as soon as this month, said Fox Lake Mayor Donny Schmit."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/news/ct-fox-lake-school-lockdown-20150901-story.html

So we know that in Arpril 2015 he reached 30 years of service and the corresponding 75% maximum pension. He has also been applying for several police chief positions. There was probably a lot of informal discussion and speculation regarding his retirement which is typically for employees with 30+ years. Lt G probably had not made a concrete decision on a retirement date because he would like to have another job lined up before he formally submitted his retirement papers.

The selection process the position of police chief involves several rounds of interviews and background/reference checks and candidates do not know when a final decision will be announced. So I believe that Lt G's statement that he may retire as early as September was related to his hope that he would get the Antioch job. That did not happen and Antioch swore in their new Chief on August 17. Shortly thereafter, Fox Lake Chief Behan was suspended and days after that he chose to retire. Days later, the mayor meets with Lt G and reportedly asks him to continue working until the end of September while they seek a replacement for the Chief. Because he did not state the following, I am assuming that the Mayor did not ask Lt G to serve as interim chief or encourage him to stay and apply for the position of chief. This despite their professional relationship and close friendship of 30 years.

It is likely that Mel G knew that her husband was not being considered for the position of chief by Fox Lake and was understandably unhappy. I think her comment reflected that, with the benefit of hindsight, she wished that he had just walked away from Fox Lake and collected his 75% pension while continuing to search for a police chief position.

I have no real theory regarding the text message that the mayor reportedly sent. That doesn't make sense to me on several levels.

BBM
UBM

 

[tcer114]

I think it is screwy that the Mayor volunteered the meeting so readily. He had no reason to tell the press that at all. Which makes me suspious that something was said one way or another and the Mayor wants to deflect.

I think the Mayor knows a great deal here....

I agree.....what if the mayor " strongly suggested" his retirement?

 

[Chuz Life]

That would be helpful,I don't know the composition of the road.

That would depend on the on the material used,gravel size,ratio of dirt to gravel and possibly the weather conditions around that time.I'm not far from the location,but maybe one of the locals who've been there recently can describe the surface.

I have a long gravel driveway at my home. It (much like the one at the cement plant looks) is very mixed. Some spots are more sandy than others.

Still, on any given day, if three guys walked the length of my drive - I'm betting I can find at least a partial print somewhere along their path.

Furthermore, trained K9 units would be able to detect their presence as well.

 

[night train]

I've never been down that road, but considering years of concrete trucks going over it, the dry conditions, lack of vegetation on the road itself, I'd say it is pretty hard pact.

Thanks, that's what I'd expect from seeing similar locations, but without having been there didn't want to state that as fact.

 

[Chuz Life]

What would leave tracks on a dry gravel road?

It was a cement plant. There is bound to be lots of sand, ash and powdered (pulverized) limestone along that road.

It is near perfect for catching foot prints.