IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #5

[bluesneakers]

Maybe Softail can clarify this for us when they get back.

No comment.

 

[DexterMorgan]

And if she isn't the one who set up the fundraisers I don't understand how any fraud could be involved. To me it comes down to: He died. Let's help his family.

Exactly. The armed forces and leos are a brotherhood amongst themselves and he was a part of both for years.

He served his time in both brotherhoods for years. So i doubt people would feel dishonored or ask for their money back if this does happen to come out as a suicide.

He served. He protected. And he may have made a mistake. But he is dead. He still has a family. And since the media decided to boost this case is not the families fault.

But whether it was suicide or homicide. He died during duty. And the brotherhoods understand his pain whether by his hands or someone elses.

And this is why they donated. Jmo

 

[vestigare]

That is not what it means.
It means if you fund raised based on a certain set of circumstances and those circumstances turn out not to exist then that can be considered fraud.

It didn't matter if you "thought" they existed because the law states the persond who "thought" they did to and gave you money based on this can demand it back when the "thought" turns out to be false.

False pretense means the family (not joe) plotted this. So are you saying the family was aware that he was going to kill himself and they were going to cover it up and have fundraisers and rake in millions.

I don't think so. Also go fund me doesn't make you give back anything. Jmo. But people do have the right to ask for donations back if it was deemed a fraudulent suicide.

But that wouldn't mean the family was in on it nor that the fundraising was fraudulent on their part.

So are you saying that joe and the wife plotted this together?

 

[vestigare]

If the funds raiser even mentioned "killed on duty" that would be cause for fraud if it is determined he committed suicide. Especially because some people would not be willing to support a fund raiser for that.

Like I said it all depends on the words, and the intent of the people giving.

I think she should definitely get an attorney when tax time comes because she's going to have a LOT to deal with, not just the fund raising. But if she's not the one asking for the money or claiming she needs it for reasons specifically related to how he died I don't see where there's fraud involved.

 

[vestigare]

You dint know why anyone chose to give. All it requires is one person to want the money back because they claim they were giving for Killed on duty and not suicide. Like I said it all dependss on the individual who gave the money and why they thought they were giving. It is not about what you or I or some brotherhood might think.

Exactly. The armed forces and leos are a brotherhood amongst themselves and he was a part of both for years.

He served his time in both brotherhoods for years. So i doubt people would feel dishonored or ask for their money back if this does happen to come out as a suicide.

He served. He protected. And he may have made a mistake. But he is dead. He still has a family. And since the media decided to boost this case is not the families fault.

But whether it was suicide or homicide. He died during duty. And the brotherhoods understand his pain whether by his hands or someone elses.

And this is why they donated. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

That is not what it means.
It means if you fund raised based on a certain set of circumstances and those circumstances turn out not to exist then that can be considered fraud.

It didn't matter if you "thought" they existed because the law states the persond who "thought" they did to and gave you money based on this can demand it back when the "thought" turns out to be false.

Sorry my friend. Fraud is when you KNOWINGLY tried some bs to make money. So unless the family or the starters of the fundraising knew but still didn't take it down.

Then it's not fraudulent. Jmo

 

[tcer114]

Similar area, not too many similarities in cases IMO. It was a big deal for several weeks about 15 min. away from Fox Lake. Surprised I didn't find any threads on WS on the victim or suspect.

Not a similar crime but authorities say he was killed about ten days after the LT. They do fit the vague discription. If they were involved in the LTs killimg, maybe the suspect killed this guy because he was going to go to the police. They also said the suspect had connections to Antioch and Fox Lake and actually stole a car from Antioch when he was on the run. Just interesting.

 

[DexterMorgan]

If the funds raiser even mentioned "killed on duty" that would be cause for fraud if it is determined he committed suicide. Especially because some people would not be willing to support a fund raiser for that.

Like I said it all depends on the words, and the intent of the people giving.

But that would be after the fact and after the coroner released the mod.

WHICH HE HASN'T DONE YET. SO AS OF NOW. IT IS NOT FRAUD. JMO

 

[tcer114]

I wanted to pass on some info regarding the 1033 Program.
Fox Lake PD was suspended in July 2014 according to Illinois State Program Director because of missing or incomplete paperwork. No other details were provided and all requests to FLPD are being denied.

According to Illinois FLPD was reinstated in Aug 2014 after they submitted the proper paperwork.

It is not known if FLPD has had any further dealings with the Federal Program since they were Apparently reinstated.

This information was obtained personally by me in conjunction with a reporter I am in contact with.

If you question the authenticity then please feel free to summit your own request to the state of Illinois.

Additionally, the program had new filing requirements that made it more complicated and a number of entities were suspended until paperwork could be complete.

 

[bluesneakers]

Additionally, the program had new filing requirements that made it more complicated and a number of entities were suspended until paperwork could be complete.

When did the requirements change? Wouldn't the PDs have been notified in advance changes were coming?

 

[vestigare]

Sorry my friend. Fraud is when you KNOWINGLY tried some bs to make money. So unless the family or the starters of the fundraising knew but still didn't take it down.

Then it's not fraudulent. Jmo

She knowingky accepted money while knowing that the investigation had not concluded that he was killed on duty and while knowing they were still investigating this as a possible suicide.

So IFshe knowing claimed he was killed on duty as part Of the funds raiser that is all a lawyer needs to make a claim.

I don't write the laws.

 

[vestigare]

I NEVER SAID IT WAS FRAUD NOW.
This entire discussion is about what could happen to the money should this be determined it is suicide.

Frankly I don't care. I don't give away my hard earned money to some family who has a pension, insurance And 30 years of savings.

But that would be after the fact and after the coroner released the mod.

WHICH HE HASN'T DONE YET. SO AS OF NOW. IT IS NOT FRAUD. JMO

 

[tcer114]

When did the requirements change? Wouldn't the PDs have been notified in advance changes were coming?

I believe it was for 2014. They were notified but it became that much more cumbersome. I don't have a link to the article I read. I'm not saying that was why FLPD was suspended from the program but they were reinstated fairly quickly.

 

[katydid23]

Additionally, the program had new filing requirements that made it more complicated and a number of entities were suspended until paperwork could be complete.

Were any weapons missing or was it just a matter of missing paperwork?

 

[DexterMorgan]

She knowingky accepted money while knowing that the investigation had not concluded that he was killed on duty and while knowing they were still investigating this as a possible suicide.

So IFshe knowing claimed he was killed on duty as part Of the funds raiser that is all a lawyer needs to make a claim.

I don't write the laws.

Once again. Sorry my friend. She accepted the money because her husband suddenly died and others started fundraising in his name for her and their kids.

But that doesn't mean that she was in on some plot. So she should not feel guilty for accepting donations. Jmo

 

[tcer114]

Were any weapons missing or was it just a matter of missing paperwork?

That, I don't know. It was strictly an article about the program and uncovering why so many departments had been suspended.

 

[Cubby]

Some people still have honor. It's about how they will be viewed after the fact by their friends,family, cohorts and the community. Some people believe it or not would rather die than be dishonored. To a person with honor anyone who would steal, lie, defraud, etc would be very dishonorable. This would be seen as a huge character flaw.

The evidence will prove whatever it is, or isn't. How people wish to view that in regards to whether or not Lt. CG has character flaws is their business. If he lied, he lied..... This is about an alleged murder. If the murder didn't happen and these 3 suspects didn't exist Lt. CG has no one to blame but himself whether he is viewed as dishonorable, or not.


Bottom line is either this is a murder or it is not and the community deserves answers.

 

[bluesneakers]

False pretense means the family (not joe) plotted this. So are you saying the family was aware that he was going to kill himself and they were going to cover it up and have fundraisers and rake in millions.

I don't think so. Also go fund me doesn't make you give back anything. Jmo. But people do have the right to ask for donations back if it was deemed a fraudulent suicide.

But that wouldn't mean the family was in on it nor that the fundraising was fraudulent on their part.

So are you saying that joe and the wife plotted this together?

IMO unless things take a very sinister turn no one is going to ask for any money back. And even if they do take a turn she could still be seen as a victim and people want to help.

 

[vestigare]

Sorry but it is about the expectations of the person giving.
I dint know what wording was used in these various funds raisers. Not what speach she might have made or a representative might have made. That is for the lawyers to determine.

Once again. Sorry my friend. She accepted the money because her husband suddenly died and others started fundraising in his name for her and their kids.

But that doesn't mean that she was in on some plot. So she should not feel guilty for accepting donations. Jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

I NEVER SAID IT WAS FRAUD NOW.
This entire discussion is about what could happen to the money should this be determined it is suicide.

Frankly I don't care. I don't give away my hard earned money to some family who has a pension, insurance And 30 years of savings.

You mentioned fraudulent fundraising. Now since he is dead. Obviously he didn't have her fundraise for them.

So if the mod isn't in yet. Who are you saying should be held accountable for fraudulenty raising funds?

Who are you blaming for funds that has been raised?

And who do you want brought up on charges if joe did commit suicide.