IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #5

[vestigare]

IMO unless things take a very sinister turn no one is going to ask for any money back. And even if they do take a turn she could still be seen as a victim and people want to help.

I agree. I doubt anyone would request a return.
It will be interesting though to see any fund raiser activity afterwards if this is determined to be suicide....

 

[Cubby]

Maybe Softail can clarify this for us when they get back.

You could clarify it yourself by doing your own FOIA request.

 

[vestigare]

The person doing the funds raising.
If she did it then she is legally responsible
If someone did it on her behalf then they would be responsible.


Just like parents who claim a child is sick. The child doesn't get in legal trouble. The person doing the funds raising does.

You mentioned fraudulent fundraising. Now since he is dead. Obviously he didn't have her fundraise for them.

So if the mod isn't in yet. Who are you saying should be held accountable for fraudulenty raising funds?

Who are you blaming for funds that has been raised?

And who do you want brought up on charges if joe did commit suicide.

 

[katydid23]

Sorry but it is about the expectations of the person giving.
I dint know what wording was used in these various funds raisers. Not what speach she might have made or a representative might have made. That is for the lawyers to determine.

I just went to look at the page. It says nothing at all about the circumstances of the death. Only says ' In Memory of' and then talks abut what a good friend, and good person he was etc.

Nothing at all about the death or the circumstances.

 

[bluesneakers]

You mentioned fraudulent fundraising. Now since he is dead. Obviously he didn't have her fundraise for them.

So if the mod isn't in yet. Who are you saying should be held accountable for fraudulenty raising funds?

Who are you blaming for funds that has been raised?

And who do you want brought up on charges if joe did commit suicide.

I don't think there was any fraud involved either, but all it will take is for one person to say "I want my money back" and she (and maybe the person who set up the ?) will have some problems. At that point, imo, everything will have to be accounted for and recorded and reported, whatever. Even though I don't think she'll have to pay anyone back I hope she's being careful.

 

[bluesneakers]

I just went to look at the page. It says nothing at all about the circumstances of the death. Only says ' In Memory of' and then talks abut what a good friend, and good person he was etc.

Nothing at all about the death or the circumstances.

There's more than just though. People in the town are doing their own fundraising for her, and there are probably other small groups (like parents of Explorer kids maybe, and I've also seen banks and other private groups or businesses start accounts for people) raising money as well.

Are there not special programs to raise money for the widows and children of police officers killed in the line of duty? I would be surprised if not.

 

[longlonglake]

It would be nice if every widow with children would get money from "fundraisers." I'd rather give money to a family with a sick child and no insurance, or one of low income. Many murder victim's families aren't given money from fundraisers. Why SO MANY fundraisers? For just this ONE family?

 

[katydid23]

It would be nice if every widow with children would get money from "fundraisers." I'd rather give money to a family with a sick child and no insurance, or one of low income. Many murder victim's families aren't given money from fundraisers. Why SO MANY fundraisers? For just this ONE family?

I think nowadays EVERY one has fundraisers. I have not seen any recent cases here where there was not someone who set up a fund me page. Missing kids, murder victims, everyone, has a fundraiser online or an event. JMO

 

[al66pine]

Regarding taxes and the fundraising.... The taxes completely depend on who filed the 1099-k to collect the funds and how much she received per event. Fund raising funds are usually 100% taxable after $14,000. Especially if they are not going to medical care etc...where it can be deducted. I hope she has a really good tax attorney.

sbm
Thanks for posting above thoughts.
- "completely depend on who filed 1099-K..................................Link pls?
- "per event" What or which event?* .........................................Link pls?
- "Fund raising funds are usually 100% taxable after $14,000" .....Link pls?

I'm curious about basis for ^ and question accuracy of ^ but I could be wrong; I often learn new info on W/S.
See post ~938 w links to IRS site re fed inc. tax & gift taxes.
Thx in adv.

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* Event? Like -
- Lt G's death.
- A G**M*-type online a/c (sponsored by Mrs G, friend, or relative), w pooled $ donations transferred to Mrs G.
- A dance-type fundraiser, w pooled $ donations transferred to Mrs G. What about a barbecue-type fundraiser held the next week?
- $14,000 each event or all events cumulatively.

from the G**M* site's FAQs. (https://www.********.com/questions?section=donations)
"What about taxes and stuff? Unfortunately, we're unable to provide specific tax advice since everyone's situation is different. While this is by no means a guarantee, most donations on G**M* are simply considered to be 'personal gifts' which are not taxed as income in the US. Additionally, only donations made to a legally registered non-profit or charity may be considered eligible for donors to claim as a tax deduction. Again, every situation is different so please consult with a tax professional in your area." bbm

 

[Keefer]

Not a similar crime but authorities say he was killed about ten days after the LT. They do fit the vague discription. If they were involved in the LTs killimg, maybe the suspect killed this guy because he was going to go to the police. They also said the suspect had connections to Antioch and Fox Lake and actually stole a car from Antioch when he was on the run. Just interesting.

What's even more interesting is the black male murder victim was found in a corn field. Kristin Kiefer originally claimed she had car trouble and stopped next to a corn field where she was approached by 2 whites guys and a black male. She of course reportedly changed her story when the police were about to test the interior of her car for Dna evidence. I wonder if she was anywhere near the same cornfield where the body was found?I wonder if her original "false" description of the black male matches up with Tywon A. The murder victim?
The suspected killer Andrew O. Will no doubt have his Dna taken. This might get real interesting..

 

[DexterMorgan]

You could clarify it yourself by doing your own FOIA request.

Sorry. This isn't the only case i follow. Plus i have young ones as well. So sorry if I do not have the time to personaly investigate cases.

I may be on Websleuth for conversation purposes. But I only ask questions when I can't investigate information on my own.

So please pardoned me for not being able to do my due diligence on this case. Thanks.

 

[DexterMorgan]

The person doing the funds raising.
If she did it then she is legally responsible
If someone did it on her behalf then they would be responsible.


Just like parents who claim a child is sick. The child doesn't get in legal trouble. The person doing the funds raising does.

But if she doesn't know because he didn't inform her previously. Or if suicide never crossed her mind.

Than why should she be held accountable for accepting funds before the coroner announced the mod.

Why?

 

[bluesneakers]

Sorry. This isn't the only case i follow. Plus i have young ones as well. So sorry if I do not have the time to personaly investigate cases.

I may be on Websleuth for conversation purposes. But I only ask questions when I can't investigate information on my own.

So please pardoned me for not being able to do my due diligence on this case. Thanks.

AFAIK the poster mentioned didn't file an FOIA request but got the information from someone who knew someone, so getting a report wouldn't clear up anything anyway. Especially when it was supposedly part of an ongoing investigation and couldn't be revealed.

But I have an idea, Dexter. Meet me in FL and let's start knocking on doors.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I don't think there was any fraud involved either, but all it will take is for one person to say "I want my money back" and she (and maybe the person who set up the ?) will have some problems. At that point, imo, everything will have to be accounted for and recorded and reported, whatever. Even though I don't think she'll have to pay anyone back I hope she's being careful.

Out of 200k raised. If a person wants their 200bucks back. Than okay. No problem. Even if everyone wants their money back. Ok. No problem.

I doubt his wife cares about donations for financial sakes.

I think she was just happy with the outpour.

Now let's say that someone bought catering services for the wake/funeral. I doubt they would ask for money back.

But if they did. I'm sure the wife would give it back.

So why are we thinking that the wife isn't honorable enough to give back any money that people may ask for if his death is determined a suicide.

Are we thinking that she knew he committed suicide from day 1. And just happily accepted the money .

 

[cady]

Whatever happens, the widow will not be impoverished, and only one of the 4 boys is a minor....Plus, she is still young enough to have a career, and use her skills to earn a decent income when coupled with her benefits as a widow of an LE. I think that she will be just fine. JMO

 

[DexterMorgan]

Whatever happens, the widow will not be impoverished, and only one of the 4 boys is a minor....Plus, she is still young enough to have a career, and use her skills to earn a decent income when coupled with her benefits as a widow of an LE. I think that she will be just fine. JMO

Agree. He was still guaranteed his pension at least. So financially. The family should be okay.

Or sue the mayor for telling joe to stay on another month before he filled his papers.

Because im sure that joe had enough sick and vacation days to retire without having to work another day.

So the mayor may feel guilty. If he told joe to hold off from retirement.

Imo. The mayor doesn't want to be sued.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

When did the requirements change? Wouldn't the PDs have been notified in advance changes were coming?

Sounds as if you haven't had many reasons to "work with" government agencies.
Work with is in quotes because the government has a way of making you feel they're working against you even when you know you are doing/trying to follow proper procedures. The process always seems to involve you working harder versus them working smarter. Sometimes you have to give up until another day after you have built up enough strength to enter into the quagmire again.
Another game played often is pass the buck and this game always begins after you have waited for or spent an hour explaining whatever it is to the first (or second) contact.
Nothing is more cumbersome than the internal workings, or whatever the proper name is for efficient communications, within government agencies.
Comcast takes second place.

 

[bluesneakers]

Sounds as if you haven't had many reasons to "work with" government agencies.
Work with is in quotes because the government has a way of making you feel they're working against you even when you know you are doing/trying to follow proper procedures. The process always seems to involve you working harder versus them working smarter. Sometimes you have to give up until another day after you have built up enough strength to enter into the quagmire again.
Another game played often is pass the buck and this game always begins after you have waited for or spent an hour explaining whatever it is to the first (or second) contact.
Nothing is more cumbersome than the internal workings, or whatever the proper name is for efficient communications, within government agencies.
Comcast takes second place.

I have, actually, from both sides.

My point was they would have known. Clearly some PDs knew and were able to comply with the changes while others were not. Do you know when they changed, or how much notice FLPD had of the upcoming changes?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I believe it was for 2014. They were notified but it became that much more cumbersome. I don't have a link to the article I read. I'm not saying that was why FLPD was suspended from the program but they were reinstated fairly quickly.

I swear I had not read tcer's post prior to using the word "cumbersome" above - lol!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I have, actually, from both sides.

My point was they would have known. Clearly some PDs knew and were able to comply with the changes while others were not. Do you know when they changed, or how much notice FLPD had of the upcoming changes?

No I don't know the circumstances of the delay in this case but just had a little dance with a gov issue myself.

The day the circumstance became a concern of mine should have been Sept. 18th.
The notice we received was dated Sept. 25th. Had to do with medical coverage notification.
Kind of scary to think, with everything paid up, someone was unknowingly NOT legally covered for a time period. If something had happened - anyway - it took two weeks longer to get what we needed and show up (not exactly next door) in person in order to make things right.
My blood pressure just went up because I thought about my first call of inquiry and how it was almost dismissed until I pushed further for an answer as to why we received this notice in the first place.