IL - Sex Offender Tries To Castrate Himself

[southcitymom]

I just said that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that cannot be cured. It's a little more involved than just a mind thing. I also cited a journal article regarding an MD's opinion on the matter.

There are hormones and impulses that affect the brain in order to determine sexual orientation that are not consciously involved. Just as you can not chosen your sexual orientation, neither can they.

I agree 100%. I think we are saying the same thing.

 

[Autumn2004]

Sick but at least he does realize its wrong what he is doing. However its his own choosing. Just because something or someone turns you on sexually does not mean you cannot choose to NOT act on it. We are not mindless human beings, we make choices. You can choose to act it out and not put yourself in certain situations.

My aunt stayed single most of her life and only chose to date when her children from her deceased husband were grown (22 years) till everyone was out and grown. Im sure she had urges, attractions, offers after all she was a very attractive women. Her kids were more important to her to make sure they were raised the way she wanted them to be. If she can abstain certainly sexual offenders can too. People's mates are in the service for years and they dont cheat. My dad was gone to Vietnam for two years and my mom and him never strayed from their relationship. If he cannot control himself than he has a mental condition and should spend the rest of his days keeping him out of the public for fear of him harming them.

 

[Details]

That's where I see the difference between simple pedophiles (sexually attracted to children), and people like or worse than this guy (has a compulsion to rape). The one is a sexual orientation, and controllable. The other is a mental illness, and may not be controllable. But - when not controllable, you are a rabid dog, and while we can feel pity for you, you cannot be in society with that disease. LWOP unless they've done something horrible enough to get the DP.


I don't know if this guy is safe. He sure went the extra mile, and then some, to try to restrain himself - and I think he should be commended for that. I hope it never does overwhelm him, defeat him.

 

[believe09]

I am glad he opted to mutilate himself rather than injuring an innocent (I can't believe I just wrote that) but the very fact that he stabbed himself in the genitals is indicative of a man completely out of control. Drugs, alcohol, fear of prison, whatever-but he has hopefully be admitted to a psych ward somewhere for evaluation.

 

[MeoW333]

I remember reading somewhere, that if they were castrated it still wouldn't work to correct them, as it would turn them into serial killers. Supposedly Jack the Ripper had deformed genitals so i guess when he was killing, it was more so "getting him off in the mind".
The only thing that really can be done is make special prisons for sex offenders and lock them all up.

 

[Filly]

There are cases where these guys have been castrated and of course still offend. Shots. They legally agree to be chemically castrated or surgically castrated and then go get their hormone shots. Chew some Viagra, and ruin generations of lives. Sadly, there's cases where they also when unable to "perform" use instruments. It may seem harsh but I'd like to see them all get the needle. Go to sleep and never come back. Alot of those guys admit it themselves. They can't stop. Born with it, abused themselves, combination, choices. Whatever. They ruin lives. Ya know he called a friend for help? I bet his victims would have liked to gotten to call for help.

 

[s_finch]

I don't believe that - not for all of them, maybe not for most of them. They do choose how they respond to it.

He's so miserable at the idea of what he might do that he's cutting off his own balls, and you think he chose this?

I know personally from abuse I suffered as a child, that childhood abuse can warp you in many different ways. Before I go further, let me add I've never molested nor desired to molest a child, but from some of what I've gone through I can see (but not justify the actions) of how pedos develop their "fixation" or "ideals". Actually, I find it almost courageous that this particular man would try to castrate himself rather than offend again,,,,,,maybe not the wisest of decisions but we don't know that he's playing with a full deck to begin with. Then again, "desparate times call for desperate measures". There are many other pedos that have chosen to commit suicide, have attempted suicide, attempted castration, etc... rather than offend or reoffend. I think these people have some moral compass or either an extreme fear of being found out (jail). Either way, AT LEAST they attempt to control themselves, although I do believe counseling/prescription medication/being committed to a psych ward would be a better option.

Look at the thousands who don't attempt to control themselves at all but instead promote the practice, such as NAMBLA supporters.

Life is tough, we don't choose our childhoods, I think most of us do the best with what we are dealt and my gut instinct is that this was the case this time. Course, I've been wrong once or twice.....

 

[s_finch]

Now, I am with dee here-I wonder if pedophelia is a sexual preference? I mean the true pedos don't stop-it is the whole story from the pursuit to the seduction etc. Look at the guy they just picked up from Canada in Thailand. He had his age range he was attracted to. He knew he was busted-and he heads right back to Thailand, and sends his contact out to get him some boys which is how he was caught. He couldn't even lay low when he needed to.

Seems as though there's a great pun in there,...........

 

[s_finch]

The key is legal responsibility with pedophilia and the other "paraphelias." If you have a gender identity issue and you are attracted to the same sex you are of the age of consent (the two of you) and you both consent, well that is quite a different issue then if you are attracted to children and you decide to act on that attraction when you are an adult. I view it like alcoholism or an addiction to crack-don't fall off the wagon because the consequences are going to devastate a lot of people. :twocents:

What she said.

 

[MeoW333]

Why doesn't the Feds just have a NAMBLA round up and lock them all away for life? It's unbelievable such and organization has the nerve to exist and support its cause. Such sick perverts.
I know quite a few people who have been sexually abused; not one turned into an abuser. All but one are female; the male having been molested by a priest. I wonder what is the determining factor that makes one turn into a predator?..

 

[Details]

The one and only good thing about NAMBLA is that when we know who the pedophiles are, they're easier to catch.


But yeah, seems to me that they're advocating illegal actions. Still, so were our founding fathers when they talked about no taxation without representation.

 

[believe09]

The one and only good thing about NAMBLA is that when we know who the pedophiles are, they're easier to catch.


But yeah, seems to me that they're advocating illegal actions. Still, so were our founding fathers when they talked about no taxation without representation.

Hmmm...why don't I find these comparable? I have listened to all of the arguments around if you remove shame from child molestation, it is a victim less crime. Hockey pucks. Why should children be subjected to the sexual needs/desires of adults? Some 9 year old is not going to look at some 50 year old and say " Yeah, I need some of that..." We are not wired that way...it is nonsense. :twocents:

 

[Details]

Just saying, it's hard to figure out how to limit freedom of speech and association, without limiting legitimate protests of unfair laws. It's something we have to pay attention to.

 

[reb]

that is a very good question and i'm sure a debate about it could go on for infinity. also good is the question (brought up earlier) of- are they born that way, or do they choose to be that way...? to try to cut off your own 'boys' is definitely a cry for help... and why in the hell aren't more sex offenders given the option of FREE castration?? or better yet, it should be mandatory for REPEAT offenders!!! i mean, duh. but we have such a backwards society... we don't want to mess with the 'basic liberties' of sex offenders. nevermind the 'liberty' of people and children to be able to live in peace without being molested or raped by them.

does anyone know,, have any studies been done that determine if the urge to molest is still there, even after the jewels have been removed?? is it something more in the brain, or in the glands??

 

[Details]

I know they've tried castration before for pedophiles - ones who volunteered, to try to get rid of the urge. They said it did not cure it.

 

[Filly]

I know they've tried castration before for pedophiles - ones who volunteered, to try to get rid of the urge. They said it did not cure it.

I read a true crime book years ago exactly about this. Of course I can't think of the name of it. They castrated the guy. Let him out. A little girl from his apartment girl goes missing and unfortunately he murdered her. Short of I guess a lobotomy this is just the way it is for these freaks.

 

[reb]

i miss the old days when guys like this would just be killed by an angry mob. and we call this PROGRESS...???? sheesh.

 

[Details]

i miss the old days when guys like this would just be killed by an angry mob. and we call this PROGRESS...???? sheesh.

I don't know - we could ask one of the last guys to be killed by an angry mob - of just one father, but near enough. Of course, he was innocent...

 

[dingo]

I read a true crime book years ago exactly about this. Of course I can't think of the name of it. They castrated the guy. Let him out. A little girl from his apartment girl goes missing and unfortunately he murdered her. Short of I guess a lobotomy this is just the way it is for these freaks.

Or cut off their heads if thats where the problem lies.

 

[southcitymom]

The one and only good thing about NAMBLA is that when we know who the pedophiles are, they're easier to catch.


But yeah, seems to me that they're advocating illegal actions. Still, so were our founding fathers when they talked about no taxation without representation.

Yep. NORML is trying to legalize marijuana - should their members be arrested for advocating illegal actions? In this country - people with unpopular beliefs are allowed to meet and organize and try to change laws.

We've had the NAMBLA discussion here recently. I don't agree with their beliefs but they have an absolute right to exist.