IL IL - Timmothy Fry-Pitzen, 6, Aurora, 13 May 2011 - mom found dead - #1

[HesterMofet]

Are we sure it was depression she suffered from? Or could it have possibly been bipolar disorder or schizophrenia?

Why I am asking is because we are trying to put a logical spin on a person who may or may not have been acting logical at all. All three of those mental illnesses could cause illogical behavior.

If she and Timmothy were just out for a happy, spontaneous vacation, what was it that set her off? Was there an impending divorce? Was she afraid of losing custody of Timmothy due to her mental illness? Was she afraid the boy's father/her husband was somehow abusing Timmothy?

I have heard of several cases where the mother thought the (divorced or soon to be) father was abusing the child and the mother hides the child, refuses to tell where the child is and goes to jail. If that was the case, why kill yourself?

I can't imagine someone she talked to on the phone is harboring that boy. It defies logic if they have identified all the phone numbers. With the mother sadly not a factor anymore, if there was abuse, a grandparent or other relative could advocate in court for Timmothy.

I wish I could be as hopeful as some of the other posters here. I hope I am wrong and Timmothy is found alive.

 

[blazelet]

All my opinion ....

The last 3 or 4 posts ask good questions but we just don't know the answers. I wish we did

I do believe there was a purpose for the weekend trip, too much of it seems thought out and planned. Abandoning phones and ipasses, for instance, before leaving the highway aren't things that people acting impulsively seem to be likely to do. The purchasing of pen and paper hours before going to the hotel also tells me that was thought out. She took Timmothy to some of the best places in the local area that you can take a kid - the biggest water park in the nation ... places they didn't have a family tie to. Again these don't seem like impulsive decisions.

I think Timmothy is still alive - I feel like she had planned for a place to take him and the rest of the trip was just a fun goodbye. I have no reason to believe this other than my interpretation of her behavior as I've followed this story hour by hour over the past month.

As far as taking Timmothy away from something\someone ... I don't know the family life in their home. I do know that Amy had a history of this kind of behavior. She had attempted suicide before, was prone to taking off for periods of time like this (alone). This is just an alternate perspective but sometimes people who suffer from depression or other mental disabilities blame the things around them for their sadness and\or problems. Spouses are easy targets for that, even if they aren't responsible ...

:twocents:

 

[LongTallTexan]

I think it was planned, but not until Friday afternoon. I agree, the disposal of the items, pen and paper, etc.

My theory was that since nothing has shown up on her computers/email that we know of, they went packed, were leaving on a trip w/ car that needed repair, I think the trip, giving Timmothy to someone and the suicide was unplanned at that point. I feel like something changed on Friday on the way home...that created the downward spiral.

Good point about blaming someone/spouse....

Usually the depression is triggered, resulting in a suicide. It's usually a combination of 2 or more events. (just from what I've read and wife is psychologist). Anyway, just trying to put pieces together in hopes of finding him.

Did I read on here that LE sometimes read/references this site to help with investigations?

 

[Cubby]

IIRC in one of the early media articles regarding this case an earlier suicide attempt in followed an argument with a husband from an earlier marriage. I also recall a recent argument in this case which may have prompted Amy to again contemplate and sadly this time follow through with committing suicide. With her previous attempt(s) she was childless.

Choosing to commit suicide after becoming a parent puts an entirely different perspective on things. Personally, I just don't see her putting her child through the pain of losing two parents and all the family he knew; everything he loved. I wish I felt differently but I think she chose to spare Timmothy the pain of losing his mother when she decided to take her life and chose to sacrifice him as well.

Another reason I believe Timmothy is no longer with us is because there has not been a single reported sighting of Timmothy or a child who looks like Timmothy but was later ruled out as being him.

I'm very concerned about the plant growth found beneath her car after it was just in the repair shop and very concerned her last cell phone pings place them so close to a cemetery. I think when she said he would never be found she meant she hid him well, but didn't hide him living. She clearly wasn't concerned over the pain her suicide caused her husband and family. I do believe she wanted to give them hope and couldn't leave this world with the knowledge her family could know she not only took her own life but also took the life of her son. 'Religously' her faith may have allowed her to be ok with not having him found if she believed the spirit leaves thet body upon death so she would be with him shortly in spirit in heaven or whatever she believed regarding the afterlife. That may have influenced her decision on allowing herself but not Timmy to be found.

Praying Timmy is found - one way or the other - preferably alive but he needs to be found.

JMO

 

[LongTallTexan]

Thanks Cubby, while none of us want that to be the case, it very well could be spot-on. If that's the case, there was a lot of time that she may have drove to another cemetary where she have family plots....maybe he's buried with someone he is related to...she had the time.

The other location that has crossed my mind more than once is the Mississippi River, in it's swollen state.

I don't even like thinking this way, I have hope.

I'm assuming NOTHING has been found by LE regarding hard drives, websites, emails, or any leads with the grass under the car? Any thoughts on the childrens cough syrup?

 

[Cubby]

I don't think she buried him. She wouldn't have a shovel in the car that most likely someone at the body shop wouldn't have noticed. While she paid cash for the motel room, I don't think she would have made a stop and paid cash for a shovel. Someone would have likely noticed Timmy if she had stopped with him. Leaving him might be too dangerous to go drive and have to purchase a shovel.

I think she may have driven on a dirt road or trail of some sort into a heavily wooded area and had her own type of 'burial' for him. I do have to wonder if any blankets or sheets were missing from either of the rooms at the water park resorts.

Unsure of what to think about her purchasing the childrens cough medicine unless she purchased it to take it with something else she may have paid cash for to numb herself for what she planned to do (to herself). I imagine she had to take something to endure ending her life in what was described as a slow and painful manner in earlier MSM articles.

I'm kind of curious about the daycare situation. I was surprised to learn Timmy went to half day kindergarten when both his parents worked. IL has both half day and full day KG. Even parochial schools for full day KG and after care are not as expensive as FT daycare - so I've seen a lot of working parents make that choice over half day KG and then going back to public school starting with 1st. I wonder if the person or persons who watched Timmy in the afternoon could provide additional information and if they had much interaction with Amy or it was mostly dad who did the drop off and pick ups from daycare.

I'm not sure what LE may have found in the way of computer forensics. Hopefull that is in the works and hold back info to not tip off anyone who may have Timmy.

Personally, I don't think Aurora LE has much experience with this type of missing child case as most are likely either parental abductions with custody issues or runaways. I'm afraid (and I mean this respectfully) the family is relying too much on LE and not utilizing the many available outside resources such as NFP volunteer organizations to assist the family of the missing IN conjunction with LE. That may be due to the overwhelming greif over the loss of Amy.

I'm just praying he is found and I have a sinking feeling this is going to be one of those MP cases that lasts for years. I hope I am wrong, but without keeping Timmy's name and face in the publics eye I'm afraid people will assume he was found due to the lack of continued coverage on his case.

jmo

 

[LongTallTexan]

Nothing at all on this case? I just can't believe it that there is no information on her computer, cell phone bill or any other clue around the house or car that would indicate where she went on Friday and who she gave he son to for the rest of his life!

Can LE at least, since they have nothing, confirm to the public that they found nothing? That they gathered no links to certain areas from the grass on the bottom of the SUV?

I just can't believe.....7:35 in Winnebago was daylight still......whatever she did this poor, dear boy, she did it in broad daylight!!!!

Anyone heard anything?

 

[blazelet]

I would have to say I share in your frustration.

There simply is nothing new being reported. I've written reporters and members of Aurora PD and get nothing back. They are being very oddly tight lipped on this, as is the family. I dont understand why.

Apparently there was a massive search right after memorial day near Sterling ... No reporting on it and that most recent article says in a couple words that they found nothing.

I agree with Cubby that its beginning to feel like this is going to be a long term case. Hopefully LE is working on it more than they let on.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-timmothy-pitzen-0619-20110618,0,6278746.story

By Ted Gregory, Tribune reporter
3:16 a.m. CDT, June 18, 2011

Alana Anderson refuses to wipe away the small handprint left on a window at her northwest suburban home — a reminder of her 6-year-old grandson, who has been missing for more than a month.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Missing boy's grandmother shaken, hopeful

Police want to conduct another search but wonder, 'where do we start?'

Alana Anderson refuses to wipe away the small handprint left on a window at her northwest suburban home — a reminder of her 6-year-old grandson, who has been missing for more than a month.

[snip]

More than five weeks later, no such adults have surfaced.

"The fact of the matter is there just haven't been any clues about what's happened to Timmothy," Aurora police spokesman Dan Ferrelli said.

Crimestoppers is offering up to $5,000 for information that leads to the boy's recovery, he added.

Police are considering another search — dozens of law enforcement officers conducted one May 19 in a rural area about 100 miles west of Chicago — but they've been unable to pinpoint a place, Ferrelli said.

More: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...10618_1_rural-area-brown-eyed-boy-authorities

 

[Lovejac]

Thanks for the update, SWMNBN. My heart always drops when I see this thread has a new posting.

 

[LongTallTexan]

I cannot believe there is nothing to report! I don't know all the proper LE protocols about releasing information, etc.....but with so little information, I think it's clear that maybe some more information needs to be shared with the public!

Not that I expect that us WSer's will 'solve' the case, but for crying out loud, let the public in on what's going on so that they can assist. There could still be a little boy out there scared shitless.....there is absolutely NO evidence that he is deceased.

What is going on?????????????

 

[blazelet]

I think nothing is going on ... that's the problem.

In that most recent article they said the mud\grass on the truck, the computers, the phone records didn't yield any new information. I have independent sources that claim police have moved on from these things.

The most recent search found nothing (the one NW of Sterling).

Police at this point are holding off on any more searches until they have more information. One of the recent articles said they have few new leads.

Sounds to me like it's going cold

 

[Cubby]

I think nothing is going on ... that's the problem.

In that most recent article they said the mud\grass on the truck, the computers, the phone records didn't yield any new information. I have independent sources that claim police have moved on from these things.

The most recent search found nothing (the one NW of Sterling).

Police at this point are holding off on any more searches until they have more information. One of the recent articles said they have few new leads.

Sounds to me like it's going cold

I missed the info that that mud/grass on the truck yielded nothing, do you have a link? Also, IIRC there was only the one search NW of Sterling.

IMO, what needs to be done is to have an organized papering event. Request volunteers to paper various area's among the vast area she may have passed off or hid Timmy. Update the fliers to include photo's of the truck and items of interest - toys, backpack, i-pass.

Heck there are a lot of volunteers out there who would be willing to help and even provide fliers or donate to a print shop to help with the cost of fliers. As far as I know an updated flier hasn't even been made to distribute with those new items of interest. Not only do updated fliers need to get out those updated fliers need to get into the hands physically and via publications for any outdoors types who may be in the areas of interest.

Does anyone know if the family is working with any of the NFP's out there for missing persons?

Timmy where are you? Help us find you!

 

[LongTallTexan]

I cannot believe that she gave away her son for life without planning any of it, however, nothing about her trip seemed planned IMO, i.e. get truck repaired, buy toothpast

Based on the premise the trip was unplanned, and I don't believe it would be possible to 'give' you son away without some arrangement, and there are no records found of yet as to any arrangement i.e. emails, phone calls, internet sites, etc.....no 'data' trail.....

I have to conclude she didn't really give him away. And the fact that she felt that her son shouldn't go home, that he needed to be with someone that loved him, and that she felt that taking her own life was a better option than going home, (whether her thoughts were reasonable or not).....that he's probably not alive and she spent the afternoon in NW Illinois or NE Iowa disposing of this adorable little boy.....there has to be evidence somewhere.......keep an eye out!

 

[blazelet]

I missed the info that that mud/grass on the truck yielded nothing, do you have a link? Also, IIRC there was only the one search NW of Sterling.

It's at this link :

http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/5890673-417/one-month-later-search-continues-for-timmothy-pitzen.html

Saturday marked one month since Amy checked Timmothy out of school. Police have searched fields, cars and houses. They have sent dirt and grass collected from Amy’s car to geologists. They have scoured her three computers and cell phones. They have interviewed witnesses and family members, who were all cooperative. All of it has come up empty.

 

[Cubby]

short article about Timmy. Not much new other than the following:

there's also chance forensic evidence from the mothers vehicle will lead to the next clue.

Which leads me to believe perhaps they are still waiting on info regarding the 'plant' samples from the vehicle. Or perhaps other forensic evidence from the vehicle which has not been made public.


http://mystateline.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=261757


Please come home soon Timmy!

 

[summer_breeze]

http://mystateline.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=261757

Reported by: Alex Shabad
Wednesday, June 29 2011

His innocent, smiling face vanished just like that, leaving neighbors in tears, and keeping investigators up at night.

 

[chasing.halos]

Bumping for darling Timmothy. Where are you sweetie?

 

[MarthaM]

I just don't know what to think anymore. I find it very hard to believe Timmothy's alive somewhere, but I also find it hard to believe that he's deceased. I have to think there are people out there who know something but just have not come forward.