IL IL - Valerie Percy, 21, Kenilworth, 18 September 1966

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #661
I followed this case off and on from my days back on delphiforums True Crimes and Beyond. I just bought the kindle book and will (hopefully) start reading it tonight.

The thing I remember from a few years ago (delphi TC&B) was that there was a "pastoral green" station wagon reported as being seen in the Percy driveway very early in the morning. The police chief held a press conference telling everyone to be on the look out for a pastoral green station wagon in connection to the murder, since a man in a suit was seen standing next to one in the Percy driveway in the very early morning hours of the day Ms. Percy was murdered.

But as it turns out, the entire police force was driving Pastoral Green station wagons because the wealthy citizens in Kenilworth did not like seeing black and white police cars patrolling their streets.

I'll have to read the book now to see if it has anything to do with the case, but the "pastoral green" description has always stayed with me for some reason...

Hi Tracy. I was a member of the old C&J board as well. The driver of the green station wagon was found and cleared. It was not one of the Kenilworth police cars, but someone else. I joined the Newspaper archive for a time a couple years ago and found the info in a couple of wire stories from the time. It's in "Sympathy Vote" in chapter 11.

Yes, the accounts I've read say that the weapon was most likely a hammer. I would hope that police tried to match the bayonet with the wounds and, if so, it would be easy to determine if it was the weapon or not. Are there any autopsy photos of the wounds so we can see for ourselves?
I don't think the autopsy photos have ever been released. This is one of the few cases where I'd like to see them.

The definition of a bayonet is knife that attaches to the muzzle end of a rifle. To my mind the knife pictured would not be capable of doing that so I'm not certain why the murder weapon is called a bayonet in almost everything you read about this murder.

Debb, here's a couple of pictures showing how the lake bayonet attaches. I couldn't find one of that exact version, but the basic design is the same. The upper side of the hilt has a loop that slips over the muzzle and there's an angled groove at the pommel that fits over a matching lug under the barrel. The newspaper photos simply don't show it well.

http://www.paratrooper.be/images/Denix-M1-Garand-review/tn-M1_bayo4.jpg
http://forums.gunboards.com/album.php?albumid=957&attachmentid=394202
 
  • #662
Speaking of photos, the TV news story showed a picture of the woolen glove that was found. I tried doing a screen capture of it, but it came out terrible. Would someone else with better skills than I have try to get a useful copy of the picture, please? This is one of the things that has been talked about a good deal over the years and it would be nice to have a good look at it.
 
  • #663
Bumping this case.
 
  • #664
There's no reason to suspect Thoresen for the Percy murder except:

1. His family home was a block and a half from Percy's house

2. His family home stood almost directly between Percy's home and another house (Pirruccello) cops believe was broken into by the same offender 24 hrs. prior.

3. The murder weapon was a WWII era bayonet, and detectives that investigated thousands of murders in their time couldn't think of one other case in which a civilian was murdered with a bayonet.

4. Thoresen's wife was arrested at JFK less than 3 months after the Percy murder while trying to transport 4 bayonets manufactured between 1942-44.

5. The doctor who saw the crime scene said whoever committed the Percy murder was "some deranged person," which describes Thoresen to a T.

6. The crime was committed at 5 a.m. Thoresen's neighbor told the FBI that Thoresen was very weird and slept all day and was up all night.

7. Thoresen's description (6 ft. 1 in., dark hair, medium build) matches Mrs. Percy's eyewitness description. She said he was 5 ft. 8, 180, with dark hair. (When seen "leaning over the bed" at a distance of about ten feet, that would make a difference of 5-6 inches.)

8. Smashing his way into Percy's home and going ballistic on someone with no apparent connection to the killer and being seen at the scene of the crime was a reckless, senseless act. Thorsen's police record is full of senseless, reckless acts.

9. Thoresen had a long history of being in area homes without permission.

10. Thoresen was a suspect in the case and refused to discuss it with the FBI.

11. In a letter written by Thoresen's brother to Thoresen, the brother asks "why do you keep returning to Kenilworth and causing trouble?"

12. Percy's daughter was bludgeoned. Thoresen's wife said he admitted to bludgeoning one of his other victims.

13. Thoresen's wife wrote a detailed memoir of life with her husband. In it, the whereabouts of her husband at the time of the Percy murder and two prior home invasions to which the offender was linked are not accounted for.

14. The home invasion the day before, which police said was committed by the same offender, was committed by someone who pulled himself up from a gutter and up to a balcony. Such an act would require significant strength. A Kenilworth cop who arrested Thoresen numerous times recalls Thoresen as remarkably strong.

15. The glove found outside of Percy's home was linked to the crime via fiber evidence. Detectives who worked the case said the glove was not a type commonly worn by burglars and home invaders known to work the area, and from Chicago. As a woolen, winter glove it suggests an amateur, if not local. Thoresen was certainly no pro criminal, and definitely had a local connection.

16. Nothing was taken from Percy's home. Thoresen was rich. He had no need to steal and committed crimes for the thrill and challenge of it.

I read everything I could find on Thoresen, and he was an interesting mentally unstable rich guy. But at the time of the murder, he was a 30-year old grown man, married with a son, not living with his parents, not even living in Illinois. Is there any proof that he was in the area in Sep 1966?
 
  • #665
Did LE have any suspects?
 
  • #666
I read everything I could find on Thoresen, and he was an interesting mentally unstable rich guy. But at the time of the murder, he was a 30-year old grown man, married with a son, not living with his parents, not even living in Illinois. Is there any proof that he was in the area in Sep 1966?

Thoresen was 28 at the time of the Percy murder. Nothing has surfaced proving he was in Illinois at the time of the Percy murder but there is plenty of evidence, including police reports, that he as not only in IL but in Kenilworth committing crimes, including the attempted murders of his parents a block from Percy's house in spring of '66 (he also spent much of the summer of '65 there, when he was, as usual, up to no good.)

It has been commented here that the bayonet doesn't look like a weapon that would be affixed to a rifle. Be that as it may, it was manufactured for an M-1, which makes it perhaps the most ubiquitous bayonet of all time.

Also see a comment that it is a small weapon. To that I can only say if a 15 and a half inch knife isn't big enough for you, I don't know what is.
 
  • #667
The pummel is only a weapon of last resort anyway; only used when a fighter doesn't have time to get the point of the knife in a position to thrust or slash.

The pathologist said that the head wounds were made prior to the stab wounds. So for this killer, it appears, he preferred to pummel first.

Additionally, as for Thoresen being in IL or not at the time of the Percy murder, according to his wife he successfully killed and or had killed, three people (apparently was successful hiding the bodies in two of them) and attempting to murder his parents and their housekeeper.

He was not indicted for any of these crimes. It seems getting over to Percy's and murdering someone he otherwise had not connection to is not a stretch, given the rarity of a bayonet being used to slay a civilian, his penchant for collecting military weaponry and returning to Kenilworth to cause trouble (as his brother said), his wife attempting to ship several identical bayonets on his behalf two months after the murder, and his long history of being in area homes without permission.
 
  • #668
And those Thorensen brothers... Dang! Someone should write a book about them.

Someone did. Thoresen's wife and a co-writer who also penned the Dirty Dozen.
 
  • #669
Is there anywhere that shows a layout of the house ?
 
  • #670
  • #671
It bothers me that we have to base so much on one person's account but that's all we have and there's nothing that proves she was mistaken or whatever.
 
  • #672
  • #673
thanks Betty

No problem. I'm always interested to read your opinion on these cases.

I'm not sure if the newspaper drawing is exactly to scale. There were other bedrooms on the second floor that don't appear in the illustration.

This case seems a bit unusual in that such a bold, violent killing was committed in a house full of people.
 
  • #674
Is there anywhere that shows a layout of the house ?

Pretty good drawing there, but there is an omission and an error or two regarding the second floor.
 
  • #675
It bothers me that we have to base so much on one person's account but that's all we have and there's nothing that proves she was mistaken or whatever.

Fair enough, but what's important is what the account's based on. I think there's enough evidence, documentary and otherwise, to (if here were still living) to not only indict Thoresen of this crime but convict him (large numbers of people have been convicted with less.)

And there's considerable evidence that the only reason he wasn't was that it was spread across investigative agencies that were not obligated to work together/share what they knew.

The Thoresen lead was the FBI's, an agency notorious for not cooperating with others. Documents prove they thought Thoresen did it, but they didn't share the info they had with the IL State Police, which was running the investigation. Meanwhile, the documents that prove that Thoresen's brother had commented on his sibling's penchant for returning to Kenilworth to cause trouble were buried int he files of the local police.

Then you have the fact that, a week after the murder, the case was in the hands of outsiders, who might have missed other indications that Thoresen did it. Like the fact that his family's home was located almost in a straight line in between Percy's residence and the home the cops said the same guy broke into 24 hours prior.
 
  • #676
As with most homicides, you need to do a victimology assessment on the victim

I. Victimology: Why did this person become the victim of a violent
crime?
A. About the victim
Lifestyle
Employment
Personality
Friends (type, number)
Income (amount, source)
Family
Alcohol/drug use or abuse
Normal dress
Handicaps
Transportation used
Reputation, habits, fears
Marital status
Dating habits
Leisure activities
Criminal history
Assertiveness
Likes and dislikes
Significant events prior to the crime
Activities prior to the crime
B. Sexual Assault: Verbal Interaction
Excessively vulgar or abusive
Scripting
Apologetic

II. Crime Scene
How many?
Environment, time, place
How many offenders?
Organized, disorganized
Physical evidence
Weapon
Body disposition
Items left/missing
Other (for example, witnesses, escape plan, wounded victims)
III. Staging
Natural death
Accidental
Suicide

Criminal activity (i.e., robbery, rape/homicide)
IV. Forensic Findings
A. Forensic analysis
Hair/fibers
Blood
Semen
Saliva
Other
B. Autopsy results
Cause of death
Trauma (type, extent, location on body)
Overkill
Torture
Facial battery (depersonalization)
Bite marks
Mutilation
Sexual assault (when, sequence, to where, insertion, insertional necrophilia)

Toxiological results
V. Investigative considerations
A. Search warrants
Home
Work
Car
Other
B. Locating and interviewing witnesses

-Last known location, and last contacts
-Physical traits
-Education
-Has she ever been in trouble with the law ?
-Anyone in her family immediate or otherwise ever been in trouble with the law?
-Any medical history (psychological or physical)
-Did she have ay problems?
-Was she on any meds?
-For What ?
-How often administered?
-Did she do this regularly?
-How was her financial situation?
-Did she have any problems at work?
-Did anything recently happen or change in her life ?
-How was her mood in the days prior to her murder?
-Was there anything in her lifestyle that would make her a target ?
-Was she or is there any indication she was involved, with anyone either professionally, or romantically?
-Did they have any problems if she was?
-Did she keep a diary, or any writings?
-Any drug or alcohol use , if so has it increased, recently?
-Was she afraid of anything or anyone? (had she ever mentioned being stalked?)
-List of friends especially anyone who visited recently
-Any unusual occurrences prior to the disappearance?
-Past employment history
-Would anyone be willing to help with the investigation? Names ?
-Any break ins, robberies, sexual assaults, or home invasions in the area?
-Any arrests if there were?
-Was anything of value missing from the residence?
-Was there any sign of forced entry ?
-Any sign of a struggle inside the residence ?
- Is there any conflicting investigative factors?,
-Has there ever been a burglary or attempted burglary at this residence?
-If so how long ago?
-What was taken if so?
-Was this ever resolved (arrest made etc.) ?


Once we establish a baseline for the victim, in terms of behavior, we can assign a risk category for the offender in this case.

In terms of risk, per victim lifestyle her risk is elevated, due to her fathers occupation, and prominence in the media.

Primarily if she was ever featured, on TV, as an attractive woman this exposes her image to potential stalkers etc..

The area in which they lived, was a well to do area, low crime, however supposedly not all that alien to break ins at the time.

Depending on how prominent these break ins were this may or may not elevate her risk further.

Even with the factors that did elevate her risk, this was still a VERY high risk offense for her killer.

Burglarizing, a residence while people are home, at ANY time is risky, even in the 60's burglar alarms weren't uncommon, even in low crime communities, and apparently this house was equipped with a panic alarm, that was manually activated, by the victim’s mother upon discovery of the intruder

It would be interesting to find out of there was an alarm equipped on the door the killer entered, and how large the pane of glass was that was cut to provide entry.

The time of the break in is interesting as well, approx. 4:40 am, with daylight approaching, in a dwelling that is obviously occupied during the time of the break in.

So let’s look at the circumstances : her mother heard the sound of breaking glass, approx. 4:40 am, lays there for approx. 10 minutes (4:50 am) , hears a moan, walks approx. 25 paces down the hall , opens her daughter’s bedroom door sees a male figure standing over her mortally wounded daughter.

While her mother retreats, and sounds a panic alarm style device, the killer apparently retraces his path back through the house bypassing the front door, to use his point of entry to escape.

So in theory the entire attack (excluding the escape) occurs within a 10-15 minute time frame.

By the time their neighbor who is a physician arrives, he declares Valerie dead.
She’s found to have been beaten about the head at least 4 times, with a conical object, then stabbed in the neck chest and abdomen “as many as 14 times” , and there’s presence of defensive wounds to her hands and feet. Her nightshirt is pushed up exposing her nude torso

The murder weapon is determined to be a Ball peen hammer, and another sharp object, later possibly identified as a “serrated bayonet”
Police find handprints on the glass, palm and fingerprints on Valerie’s door, stairway and railing.

Oddball factors in the case,
1) They have an alarm system, but it either isn’t attached to the glass panes, in the door on the patio, which ANY entrance to the rear of the house away from the street which is a popular point of forced entry for burglars, or to the rear door itself. If it was a large pane of glass, hat was broken; I find it odd her killer would still risk entering the residence at all, after potentially waking someone by breaking the glass. It’s odd at all he would enter having broken a window at all knowing people were home.

2) Her killer successfully navigates, through a 17 room home, to arrive at Valerie’s room, only moments after breaking in, knowing full well he may’ve potentially woken someone with the breaking glass- I’d be interested to know if she slept with her door shut or open where her killer could see her, or did he have to try doors, it’s also possible she was found by chance. …unless he knew which room was hers.

3) Though her mother awoke to the sound of breaking glass, and moaning, there apparently was no sounds of a struggle, yet it was determined, Valerie “went out fighting” according to the Crime library article.

4) The killer was organized enough to bring possibly 2 weapons, a glass cutter to remove the pane, a flashlight to navigate through the dark residence, yet doesn’t wear gloves, to prevent leaving fingerprints.

5) Despite the horrific scene, their daughter murdered inside their home, her body still upstairs, their home, their home, and privacy violated, the family seems unnaturally calm when the authorities arrive.

6) The identification of a “bayonet” seems odd to me as well, as far as I can find there’s no way to differentiate, a bayonet wound from any double edged knife would, and I’ve only ever seen a bayonet, that had a serrated spine .

7) She is found with her nightshirt up however there’s nowhere that lists evidence of sexual assault, and given the short period of time between her other hearing the breaking glass, and her daughter’s moans, murder, not burglary, or rape was the primary intent of the intruder.

8) Her killer doesn’t seem to worry about creating noise, be it the sound of the glass breaking or the moaning of his dying victim, so much so he stands there until her mother actually walks in and sees him standing there.

9) Upon his escape he bypasses, an obvious exit at the front door, to utilize his original point of entry, this is with her mother screaming, and an alarm sounding outside.



Theres a good amount of overkill and rage evident at the scene, this is usually indicative of interpersonal crime, someone involved, with or close to the victim. Either method of killing the victim is adequate, bludgeoning an unconscious victim, or stabbing an unconscious victim, would provide the victim with little or no chance to defend themselves.

However we see 2 distinct types of trauma present, blunt and penetrating. One possibility was that the intruded did plan a sexual assault by beating the victim into submission or unconsciousness, then having to use the knife, to kill the victim, because she was fighting back. I find it hard to believe though this didn’t result in enough noise to wake her mother, when the sound of a broken glass and moaning did.


I keep hanging up on this because though there is evidence of a break in, no one heard anything during the attack, yet small sounds awoke her mother. Her killer, is organized enough to bring, 2 weapons and tools needed to break in, yet doesn’t do so innocuously. He doesn’t take anything of value, and either by trial and error, sheer chance, or previous knowledge, finds Valerie.
Her killer could kill her silently but instead demonstrates, his rage, by beating and stabbing her, again with NO regard, for any noise he may create brutally assaulting his victim ALL WHILE HER FAMILY IS HOME!

When he is discovered, he shines a flashlight in her mother’s eyes, which skews, her ability to identify him. Leaes, bypassing a door he could quickly exit, to go back the way he came, and he would be covered in blood which would’ve tracked blood elsewhere .



Another factor I find odd is that her nightshirt was pushed up, in my experience, without the presence of further sexual assault or attempted rape, underwear pulled aside, or removed, victim completely nude, insertational substitution…is often indicative of what someone THINKS a sexual assault is supposed to look like. Which indicates possible staging?

Id feel confident saying that this seems to be someone familiar to the victim, there’s a lot of anger, there. There seems to be prior knowledge, of the lack of security, where Valerie’s room is, comfortable enough there that they could break a window beat and stab a victim, then stand there with no worries, while she’s laying there moaning loud enough to wake her mother.
It seems unlikely this is someone unfamiliar with the victim, or the residence.

Her killer is callous enough to attack and kill a sleeping victim, but allows her mother to run away unscathed. ANYTIME YOU HAVE SOMEONE KILLED IN A RESIDENCE, YOU HAVE TO ASSESS ANY INJURIES TO THE OTHER OCCUPANTS PRESENT AT THE TIME.

No one else suffered any injuries.
 
  • #677
Pretty good drawing there, but there is an omission and an error or two regarding the second floor.

Hi Winward!

Can you clarify on the omission/errors in the newspaper illustration of the house? RichKelly's analysis is interesting re no family members hearing the attack, aside from Valerie's moaning.

How far was her bedroom from her parents room? Was her room at the top of the stairs as the illustration showed? Who slept in the bedroom adjoining Valerie's?

TIA
 
  • #678
Hi Winward!

Can you clarify on the omission/errors in the newspaper illustration of the house? RichKelly's analysis is interesting re no family members hearing the attack, aside from Valerie's moaning.

How far was her bedroom from her parents room? Was her room at the top of the stairs as the illustration showed? Who slept in the bedroom adjoining Valerie's?

TIA

Another thing is the items supposedly left behind, a glove , a moccasin? yet he took the weapon, and wasn't worried about noise, but had the stones to try to break into a posh home...plus there's evidence that looks staged
 
  • #679
Yes Rich, I've always seen some red flags here. It seems to me that close family friends and family members themselves were taken off the table too readily.
 
  • #680
Yes Rich, I've always seen some red flags here. It seems to me that close family friends and family members themselves were taken off the table too readily.

I agree, I keep coming back to the mixed presentation, the "break in" , possible staging, a lot of interpersonal rage, its someone close, maybe even at the house that night
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Staff online

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
132
Guests online
2,147
Total visitors
2,279

Forum statistics

Threads
632,502
Messages
18,627,698
Members
243,171
Latest member
neckdeepinstories
Back
Top