Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

[mrjitty]

As @asyousay quite pertinently points out (I'm taking @asyousay's point and putting in my own words):

There is a humungous logical fallacy in today's hearing. If "other parties" are the reason that LEA wants the probable cause affidavit to remain under seal, and yet the defence lawyer is saying no other parties are mentioned in that same affidavit, then how can it be used as a reason for the affidavit to remain sealed?

Because the evidence against RA might also be relevant against a conspirator.

Remember that other parties might be after the fact, so in that case, just as an example, they might not want them to know how they got up on RA

 

[mrjitty]

The defence attorney made a very good first impression

Unlike other cases I have followed he didn't wade into conspiracy theories but remained professional.

It seems pretty clear that the judge is moving towards releasing a redacted AA, so I am not sure there is as much drama as implied. The defence has obviously seen the AA - nothing is hidden from them - so I am not sure that there is any great constitutional issue here - i never expected to the Judge to order release at the hearing.

Clearly if the defence believes the AA is too flimsy to hold the accused, their remedy is to challenge his ongoing detention.

I take with a grain of salt, defence claims about weakness of evidence not yet public.

 

[mrjitty]

I still believe he acted alone and until I see damning proof I won’t believe otherwise.

He would of been caught years earlier if more than one person did this imo

I am wondering if they are talking about someone after the fact, or someone not directly involved in the murder, but involved in a linked crime.

 

[FromGermany1]

FOX 59 reporter: Defendant mouthed, “I love you” to his family who were present in courtroom

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595111526423482369

If his hair has grown and is straight, in my eyes he can't be the YBG with curly hair. IMO

For the "I love you"-action I need a certain emoji, which we haven't available .....

 

[mrjitty]

I wouldn't say anything! I don't think attorneys do themselves many favors when they speak to the press. Your words can be misconstrued and then you're either stuck with it or you have to make more statements. A general "Our client looks forward to defending him/herself in court and we have no further comment" is a good nice neutral statement.

Unfortunately in the two recent cases I followed in detail, there was a tendency to pretend that it was all a conspiracy against the accused. I really don't understand this business of alleging misfeasance by law enforcement based on no evidence. Is this a recent thing or did it always happen in the US?

I have not experienced this in the UK for example

 

[SMK777]

It doesn’t matter a lot since it’s just conjecture but, I mean, he had access to a photo lab. He could have gone old-school and printed horrific photos. These days we think of it all being on screens, but that has its risks too. Some may still prefer their own album. Maybe he didn’t have a good printer at home or that felt risky too. Just thinking. Pure speculation. Innocent of any of this until proven guilty.

It’s possible. Thanks.

 

[FromGermany1]

The security!!!!!!!!!!! All for him! Probably very necessary. He must stay alive!

 

[taylorss]

Going back to Kegan Kline and regarding his possible visit to a gas station in Delphi on the day of the murders.
We know the FBI 'accidently forgot' to check the tapes, but was there any other CCTV in the area? He strikes me as the kind of fella that couldn't go 5 minutes without stopping for something to eat.
It's a 40 odd minute drive from Peru to Delphi. Have LE checked any CCTV from food outlets across that route on the day of the murders?

Omg lol at he couldn’t go 5 minutes w/o stopping to eat

Would certainly be quite sure they checked every possible CCTV around!! … except that the buffoonery that’s gone on here is mind-boggling … the FBI didn’t merely forget to check the gas station CCTV - per MS, they tried to transfer the only available copy of the footage to their storage device but did it wrong in some way that destroyed it & made it unrecoverable to anyone ever

 

[JudgeJudi]

WRTV Indianapolis

RMA’s PD, Andrew Baldwin, said, “I looked my client in the eye and he’s looked me in the eye and he’s told me, ‘I’m innocent. Thank you for helping me out’”.

That’s why the defence wants the documents unsealed. They cited transparency and allowing the public a chance to see the truth and facts in the case. Baldwin said the PC detailing the evidence against RMA is flimsy and disappointing for a 5-year investigation. “It may be weird for defence lawyers, I suppose, to be arguing that we want things unsealed, but that’s how confident we are in our client. That’s how confident we are that the evidence contained in the – at least what’s written in the PC affidavit, is nothing for us to worry about”.

The defence also said there has been no real evidence presented on the threats made to anyone’s safety, one of the main reasons cited by the prosecutor to keep the document sealed. Prosecutor McLeland cited the integrity of the investigation and said they have good reason to believe that RMA did not act alone, saying there could be others involved. The defence said that is merely speculation and conjecture.

Baldwin said, “Rick is bewildered; he’s confused; he has no idea why this is going on. How can an innocent man be accused of a crime like this and have their life upended”.

Judge Gull said the Thanksgiving holiday will not impact her ability to issue a ruling on whether to keep these documents sealed.

After the hearing McLeland filed a request asking the judge to issue a gag order. He’s asking for a number of people to be prohibited from talking publicly about the case, and that includes attorneys, LE and family members. In making the request, he cited the extensive media attention on the case and said the continued publicity would impact a fair trial and potential jury members. It’s not clear when the judge will decide on the gag order request.

RMA’s January court date was cancelled. He’s next due in court on February 17 for a bond hearing which will determine if he can be released on bail or be given an outright release until he stands trial which has been set for March 20, but trials like this often get pushed back.

 

[mrjitty]

I am wondering if the "other actors" could be involved before or after. If that was the case, I am surprised he is not charged with CSAM assuming that is how they caught him or they found it in his house.

I would be very, very, very surprised if there were multiple actual killers at the scene and it took this long to break. People are just not trustworthy. More than one person almost always results in SOMEONE blabbing SOMETHING.

BIB

This is my suspicion as well.

Just as a hypothetical, it would explain a lot if the reason they never got him for 5+ years is he had an alibi from someone.

 

[cuecard]

The defence attorney made a very good first impression

Unlike other cases I have followed he didn't wade into conspiracy theories but remained professional.

It seems pretty clear that the judge is moving towards releasing a redacted AA, so I am not sure there is as much drama as implied. The defence has obviously seen the AA - nothing is hidden from them - so I am not sure that there is any great constitutional issue here - i never expected to the Judge to order release at the hearing.

Clearly if the defence believes the AA is too flimsy to hold the accused, their remedy is to challenge his ongoing detention.

I take with a grain of salt, defence claims about weakness of evidence not yet public.

Agreed. I think RA will be well represented after reading up on his defence counsel. It is a good thing. If he is innocent, he will need it. If he is guilty, it'll strengthen a conviction.

 

[SMK777]

Judge Gull said the Thanksgiving holiday will not impact her ability to issue a ruling on whether to keep these documents sealed.

SBM
Any idea of when she’ll make the decision?

 

[JudgeJudi]

SBM
Any idea of when she’ll make the decision?

I have no idea, but I'm hoping it will be within a few days.

 

[SMK777]

I have no idea, but I'm hoping it will be within a few days.

Thanks; same here.

 

[mrjitty]

I have no idea, but I'm hoping it will be within a few days.

That is what I think as well. It seems pretty clear something is going to be released given prosecution already had a suggested redacted AA, but clearly the judge will need to review that in detail to make sure she is happy with it.

IMO it is interesting the bail hearing is not for 3 months - that doesn't exactly scream "client held on weak evidence and must be immediately released!"

Will that hearing double as the prelim? Or when is that expected?

 

[mrjitty]

Underage witnesses, and other criminal parties - like bones thrown to a dog, IMO. Not good enough to undermine the Constitution.

I am kind of fascinating by your strong feelings on this

In what way is the constitution being undermined in your view?

As far as I can see, the accused has access to the charges and evidence against him to date, and discovery will now begin. How is his defence being harmed?

 

[California Dreamin’]

Defendant leaving courthouse:
(WISH TV)

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This may be a silly thought, but, is anyone else wondering if RA will be required to grow out his hair to see how curly it is or has LE already retrieved pics of him with longer curly hair, like sketch two (which is actually the first sketch done after the murder)??

 

[SMK777]

This may be a silly thought, but, is anyone else wondering if RA will be required to grow out his hair to see how curly it is or has LE already retrieved pics of him with longer curly hair, like sketch two (which is actually the first sketch done after the murder)??

I’m wondering if there might be older pictures of him which show his hair longer.

 

[taylorss]

Thanks; same here.

I took the comment about how the Thanksgiving holiday won’t interfere with her ability to get it done (quoted above & I also heard it yesterday in court tv segment but didn’t want to mention here since I didn’t have link) to mean don’t expect anything til next week at the soonest…. moo & who knows anyway

 

[taylorss]

This may be a silly thought, but, is anyone else wondering if RA will be required to grow out his hair to see how curly it is or has LE already retrieved pics of him with longer curly hair, like sketch two (which is actually the first sketch done after the murder)??

Interesting idea…. I wonder if that would raise 5th Amdmt issues compelling him to give testimony against himself !