Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

[CSIDreamer]

This may be a silly thought, but, is anyone else wondering if RA will be required to grow out his hair to see how curly it is or has LE already retrieved pics of him with longer curly hair, like sketch two (which is actually the first sketch done after the murder)??

I personally feel that would be really illegal and just plain unwise. Manipulating a defendant to see if they can make him look like a sketch sounds like manufactured evidence. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Niner]

That is what I think as well. It seems pretty clear something is going to be released given prosecution already had a suggested redacted AA, but clearly the judge will need to review that in detail to make sure she is happy with it.

IMO it is interesting the bail hearing is not for 3 months - that doesn't exactly scream "client held on weak evidence and must be immediately released!"

Will that hearing double as the prelim? Or when is that expected?

Yes the bond hearing is on 2/17/23 & they were supposed to have a pretrial hearing on 1/13/23 which was moved to 2/17/23 same time as bond hearing. No preliminary hearing set that I know of. Trial is set of 3/20/23, but I highly doubt that will happen then.

 

[SMK777]

I took the comment about how the Thanksgiving holiday won’t interfere with her ability to get it done (quoted above & I also heard it yesterday in court tv segment but didn’t want to mention here since I didn’t have link) to mean don’t expect anything til next week at the soonest…. moo & who knows anyway

Yes, hopefully it won’t be too long and a document will be released with redactions to protect the juveniles. Since Doug Carter has said to the press that he doesn’t believe it will compromise the investigation and will answer a lot of questions, I am for it.

 

[Elley Mae]

Police say the sketch also depicts a hat that may not be accurate.

Delphi, Indiana murder case: Sketch of suspect released in girls' slayings

Investigators say the sketch is a "very important" development in the investigation into the killings of Liberty German and Abigail Williams

www.cbsnews.com

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I always thought it was a camo hat, not the hat they had on him, and wondered if that threw ppl off.

Jmo

 

[TL4S]

Yes, hopefully it won’t be too long and a document will be released with redactions to protect the juveniles. Since Doug Carter has said to the press that he doesn’t believe it will compromise the investigation and will answer a lot of questions, I am for it.

What gets me is that DC says this, but NMcL submitted an affidavit from JH asking to keep the PC sealed due to the ongoing investigation.

 

[Chelly]

I am wondering if the "other actors" could be involved before or after. If that was the case, I am surprised he is not charged with CSAM assuming that is how they caught him or they found it in his house.

I would be very, very, very surprised if there were multiple actual killers at the scene and it took this long to break. People are just not trustworthy. More than one person almost always results in SOMEONE blabbing SOMETHING.

Could "other actors" also be person/persons who learned he committed the crimes but remained silent?

 

[JudgeJudi]

If you haven’t seen this video which was posted 5 years ago, you’ll learn a lot about the girls and how Abby’s mother and Libby’s grandparents, Mike and Becky Patty, dealt with the aftermath of the murders. With Thanksgiving only a day away, a day they would have shared with the girls, it must have been gut wrenching for them to have been in that courtroom and seen the man accused of brutally murdering them.

I try and remember them when they were full of life, and enjoying their time together, even spending their last night together as Abby was having a sleepover at Libby’s. The families have so many memories and they share them in this video.

 

[Dutch77]

Police say the sketch also depicts a hat that may not be accurate.

Delphi, Indiana murder case: Sketch of suspect released in girls' slayings

Investigators say the sketch is a "very important" development in the investigation into the killings of Liberty German and Abigail Williams

www.cbsnews.com

…

I always thought it was a camo hat, not the hat they had on him, and wondered if that threw ppl off.

Jmo

I think that hat threw everyone for a loop as everyone local was probably thinking who they know with one of those hats.

 

[CSIDreamer]

What gets me is that DC says this, but NMcL submitted an affidavit from JH asking to keep the PC sealed due to the ongoing investigation.

I hope I can convey this right because it's bothering me.

I really hope these "other people involved" are not completely separate crimes, stumbled upon during this investigation. That's not a reason to withhold THIS crime's document. JMO

 

[scapa]

Given that the judge now has in hand a redacted version of the PC to evaluate, my guess is that we see a release of with redactions, and that some form of gag order is granted.

I don't see how the PC can stay sealed with defence arguing for its release, but I can see the value of a pretrial gag order in order to maintain some control over leaks that might yet prejudice a jury trial -- although this case has already had such far-reaching exposure that any trial anywhere is likely to be a complicated and intricate affair, IMO.

 

[ss90]

I was wondering if someone else involved could mean sharing or selling something from the scene. So not anyone physically present but gaining some gratification from the act. Maybe CP or snuff, perhaps even clothing or hair.

If we imagine RA was into this sort of stuff, he could have found like-minded people online (this could involve KAK, or not, and it could also involve him in a way where he really did not know who, but was aware of the crime). It could be premeditated, someone could have been givin tips, encouragement even orders. Or it could be a crime of opportunity and afterwards sharing stuff to other creeps, maybe for financial gain, maybe just in good will.

This could make someone (or multiple someones) an accomplice, yes? It would also make investigation complex, like they have been saying.

Only thing I'm wondering why are these people protecting each other? Its quite clear KAK was part of some sort of CP ring. Im sure he had some idea who was using his accounts. I take him as very puny and selfish guy. Still he seems willing to go down with the show (this is to say, Im not familiar with latest twists in his case if there is any).
The same could go with RA if he is guilty and there indeed is an accomplice. Why not spill? Is it some twisted bro code? Is it fear for own or someone else's life? Better jail than going down the road of possible revenge? Snitches get stitches?

Just some thoughts.

 

[twall]

What gets me is that DC says this, but NMcL submitted an affidavit from JH asking to keep the PC sealed due to the ongoing investigation.

Please refresh my memory as to who JH is? I'm drawing a blank atm! TIA!

 

[TL4S]

Please refresh my memory as to who JH is? I'm drawing a blank atm! TIA!

ISP 1st Sergeant Jerry Holeman

 

[legalmomma]

Probably filed by Prosecutor due to Defense public statements

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595460636720480259

 

[taylorss]

Probably filed by Prosecutor due to Defense public statements

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595460636720480259

Oh dear ….

they strongly believe RA “was involved” in the murders!?! What kind of a statement is that? We’re looking to convict the person “responsible” for this horrible crime, not some bit player

Why would they even make this statement??


Eta … realized I should’ve said what I was “oh dear”ing about

 

[taylorss]

What gets me is that DC says this, but NMcL submitted an affidavit from JH asking to keep the PC sealed due to the ongoing investigation.

can’t help suspecting that the desire to keep it sealed is more about reputation-management or convenience of the investigators…. there just doesn’t seem to be a consistent, well-stated alternative case for such a break with normal custom
JMO

 

[SMK777]

 

[StarryStarryNight]

can’t help suspecting that the desire to keep it sealed is more about reputation-management or convenience of the investigators…. there just doesn’t seem to be a consistent, well-stated alternative case for such a break with normal custom
JMO

I absolutely agree with you.
I think they are delaying the embarrassment and perhaps outrage that is going to happen if it is found to be true that the only reason RA was finally arrested is because he serendipitously fell into their laps and that LE missed him early on while they were busy putting up billboards across the country.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think at this point, everyone (the lawyers, the judges, RA) is pretty much saying everything we'd expect them to say at this point.
The suspect will claim to be innocent.
The defense is going to blow off whatever the prosecution has, and they'll declare their client innocent.
The prosecution is going to insist they dotted all t's and crossed all eyes and that the defense's client is guilty as charged.
Meanwhile, the judge will take some time on tricksy decisions with releasing documents to the public and how/if/why that may or may not affect the integrity of the trial.
Wife/family will stand by him. For now.
I'm really not at all surprised by what anyone is saying right now.
Except the part that RA may not have acted alone. That does concern me.

jmo

 

[helpfulcharlie]

I think at this point, everyone (the lawyers, the judges, RA) is pretty much saying everything we'd expect them to say at this point.
The suspect will claim to be innocent.
The defense is going to blow off whatever the prosecution has, and they'll declare their client innocent.
The prosecution is going to insist they dotted all t's and crossed all eyes and that the defense's client is guilty as charged.
Meanwhile, the judge will take some time on tricksy decisions with releasing documents to the public and how/if/why that may or may not affect the integrity of the trial.
Wife/family will stand by him. For now.
I'm really not at all surprised by what anyone is saying right now.
Except the part that RA may not have acted alone. That does concern me.

jmo

Until I hear otherwise, I'm just going to assume that the "not acting alone" portion is going to end up being someone who provided an alibi, and further investigation will reveal whether they did so wittingly or unwittingly.