Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

[EllaMinnowP]

Honestly, I think it's a totally normal statement to make. The only abnormal thing is it came out 24 hours too late. They really are making themselves look like they are out of their depth.

I appreciate your reply and am trying to use it to calm my (probably over) reaction to the statement. Thanks.
I guess for me, some of the language used at the press conference following RA’s arrest, the panicky/unprofessional sounding letter from the judge who recused himself, and now this letter from the prosecution; taken all together seems out of the ordinary based on other cases that I’ve followed. Again, thanks for sharing your perspective.
imo

 

[LammyTheRobot]

The ISP, US Marshals, Carroll County Sheriff, and Carroll County Prosecutor's Office all stood up at that Oct. 31 press conference. The FBI was missing, but I'm not going to get too paranoid about that at this point. I guess I am hopeful that between all these agencies, a strong case would be built before anyone was allowed to jump at an arrest.

A judge signed off on the probable cause, and a judge signed off on sealing that probable cause. At least one of the ISP investigators, JH, supports keeping it sealed. Whatever comes next is what it is, but there just seems to be too many investigators involved to allow anyone to move ahead on weak evidence. JMO...and maybe I'm being idealistic.

He signed off on sealing that document without even making the DA follow due process, which is for all the signatories to swear an oath to their truthfulness by penalty of perjury. For some reason that never happened, and it’s meant to happen.

 

[Gemmie]

Could RL still be the killer? Theoretically, he hasn't been cleared, but i think it is another
red herring. Jmo but RL will go the way of JBC and KAK and who not.

SBMFF

For me, I don't think RL's the killer. LE more than likely has the killer behind bars. But I have not ruled out RL as being a part of things. Whether that's planning, simply providing an alibi for RMA and having nothing more to do with it than that, an accomplice to what went down, or going to the CS before the girls were found to do whatever (gawk, try to clean CS of evidence, etc., or even for his own perverse pleasure), or something that I did not list. The reason I haven't ruled him out is I find it extremely odd that he asked his cousin to give LE an alibi for him for EXACTLY the time things began. Even LE found that telling.

Pg 3:

Pg 4/5:

And for me, it wasn't because he was afraid of being caught driving with a suspended license when he was at the transfer station earlier that morning (before the murders) and didn't feel he needed to cover his behind at that time, only between 2:00-2:30 which is when things went down.

Pg 5:

Source: https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf

 

[EllaMinnowP]

The "why" of his arrest is contained in the probable cause affidavit. The judge has ruled that it will remain sealed. We are all chomping at the bit to see this evidence, but LE and prosecutor don't want anything released to public and media.

I’ve not yet seen this. Please share the source. TIA

 

[Gemmie]

This may be a silly thought, but, is anyone else wondering if RA will be required to grow out his hair to see how curly it is or has LE already retrieved pics of him with longer curly hair, like sketch two (which is actually the first sketch done after the murder)??

Nothing is a silly thought in my mind. I believe that differing opinions help our theories evolve. At least that's how my theories evolve for me during my life.

While he may have naturally curly hair I'm guessing that it's straight. Also, it appears he likes to wear it very short both now, and back in high school (image below). I just can't imagine that he grew it out for a while, then cut it again after the murders to go back to his close cut style he's seen wearing.

Who is Richard Allen? - News & Review

On the southeast side of Delphi sits a neighborhood filled with children. In one yard, a swing sways gently in the breeze as a soft rain falls; playhouses can be seen in the backyard of a home with toys strewn about. Dogs run back of forth in a game of chase in the backyard of another home...

www.newsandreviewonline.com

 

[Chelly]

I’ve not yet seen this. Please share the source. TIA

For now, the public will have to take McLeland at his word; the documents remain under seal as Judge Fran Gull tries to decide whether to release the full probable cause affidavit or a redacted version. She could also decide to keep those records under wraps.

Prosecutor claims ‘very solid case’ against Delphi suspect Richard Allen

DELPHI, Ind. – While defense attorneys for the man charged in the Delphi murders maintain their client’s innocence, prosecutors claim they have a “very solid case” against Richard Allen. Both sides…

fox59.com

 

[CSIDreamer]

For now, the public will have to take McLeland at his word; the documents remain under seal as Judge Fran Gull tries to decide whether to release the full probable cause affidavit or a redacted version. She could also decide to keep those records under wraps.

Prosecutor claims ‘very solid case’ against Delphi suspect Richard Allen

DELPHI, Ind. – While defense attorneys for the man charged in the Delphi murders maintain their client’s innocence, prosecutors claim they have a “very solid case” against Richard Allen. Both sides…

fox59.com

That's not a new ruling. It's still under advisement.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't know what they have in common. We have no idea whatsoever why RA was searched and then arrested. That seems like an illogical leap to me based on very little evidence other than a defense attorney doing what all defense attorney's do.

Defense is doing a bang up job of casting doubt, and the trial hasn't even started.

 

[twall]

Judge issues gag order to all parties connected to case and rules to keep PCA sealed. Prosecutor and LE want PCA to remain sealed. Defense attorneys and MSM media attorneys may file motions to have the PCA unsealed. If it is released at some point, it probably will be heavily redacted.

I'm beginning to think we won't learn anything new until trial. And, since defense attorney strategy is usually to delay, delay, delay, I have a feeling trial date will continue to be rescheduled way into the future.

BBM-Judge Gull made her decision? Do you have a link please? I am in Ft. Wayne area and have not seen it on social media news sites.

 

[Gemmie]

Until I hear otherwise, I'm just going to assume that the "not acting alone" portion is going to end up being someone who provided an alibi, and further investigation will reveal whether they did so wittingly or unwittingly.

It's my belief that RL could have provided an alibi for RMA. I posted this quote below in my 2nd link at the bottom:

Pg 3, line 10 – On 2/14/17 @ approx. 9:20am, Logan contacted his cousin. “Tell police that ____ came to Logan’s home between 2pm and 2:30pm on 2/13/17 to pick Logan up”. (That name is ~4 letters long if you compare to the letters above)

My prev posts pointing out the possibility RL MAY have created an alibi for RMA:

Found Deceased - IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

Honestly, I think it's a totally normal statement to make. The only abnormal thing is it came out 24 hours too late. They really are making themselves look like they are out of their depth. I appreciate your reply and am trying to use it to calm my (probably over) reaction to the statement...

www.websleuths.com

and

Found Deceased - IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

It’s just bizarre. Why would the prosecution use an online petition as a reason to keep the PCA sealed? The argument should be made on the contents of the affidavit and the law, not an online petition signed by thousands of people who have no idea what the affidavit contains. Not getting the...

www.websleuths.com

Original source of my "Pg 3, Line 10" quote above: https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf

 

[Ontario Mom]

We strongly believe RA’s “involved in the murder of Libby and Abby” statement misses the mark for dotted i(s) and crossed t(s) in my opinion.
I’m fairly new to posting on WS, but I’ve watched many cases on here so i just wanted to add that my quoting and asking questions of you is done very respectfully. I am genuinely interested in your take.

To me, it's very careful and very intentional language. Those specific words were chosen on purpose to make the point they wanted to make, that RA is directly involved in the murder of those sweet girls. Based on what they charged him with, I do believe they are confident they have at least one of the people responsible. I honestly don't find anything alarming about the language of that statement.

jmo
(and as an O/T aside, every time I see your nickname I say it in my head, lol)

 

[twall]

It's my belief that RL could have provided an alibi for RMA. I posted this quote below in my 2nd link at the bottom:

Pg 3, line 10 – On 2/14/17 @ approx. 9:20am, Logan contacted his cousin. “Tell police that ____ came to Logan’s home between 2pm and 2:30pm on 2/13/17 to pick Logan up”. (That name is ~4 letters long if you compare to the letters above)

My prev posts pointing out the possibility RL MAY have created an alibi for RMA:

Found Deceased - IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

Honestly, I think it's a totally normal statement to make. The only abnormal thing is it came out 24 hours too late. They really are making themselves look like they are out of their depth. I appreciate your reply and am trying to use it to calm my (probably over) reaction to the statement...

www.websleuths.com

and

Found Deceased - IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #157

It’s just bizarre. Why would the prosecution use an online petition as a reason to keep the PCA sealed? The argument should be made on the contents of the affidavit and the law, not an online petition signed by thousands of people who have no idea what the affidavit contains. Not getting the...

www.websleuths.com

Original source of my "Pg 3, Line 10" quote above: https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf

Are you implying RA and RL are cousins?

 

[photographer4]

There has been literally no evidence released regarding the "why" of his arrest. I would just like to see a bit of how this discovery has been made after this long.

Right? This sealed and secret style of justice makes it seem like RA is being completely railroaded on weak “evidence”. I am not a fan of this approach at all. It does not inspire confidence in law enforcement’s assertion that they got their man.

Also, in the statement issued today by the prosecution, I could not help but notice that they have worded it to say that they believe RA “was involved in” the murders of the girls. Involved in how? Involved may end up being he helped clean the scene or he drove the get away car. This doesn’t seem to say he caused their deaths.

I still think they charged with with murder under the law, but the section of the law they used seems to indicate he was perhaps involved in some other criminal activity and the kids ended up dead - perhaps he didn’t pull the actual trigger as it were but was involved. Either way the kids are still dead and anyone involved should be held accountable but I sure would like clarification here.

How does the community feel any safer knowing that LE believes RA was involved? Who else may still be out there as a danger to them and their kids??

 

[photographer4]

Are you implying RA and RL are cousins?

RL did contact a cousin to alibi him. Interesting idea posed here.

 

[asyousay]

I am confused why did RA need an alibi as he admitted he was out there that day , we know this.

 

[Gemmie]

Are you implying RA and RL are cousins?

Nope. What LE was saying is that RL told his cousin, to tell LE, that he had someone pick him up between 2-2:30. That someone has a ~4 character long name (if you count the characters above the blank space) which could be "Rick" (4 characters). Red circle is cousin, blue circles are the person he told his cousin to say picked him up between 2-2:30.

Source: https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/logan-warrrant.pdf

 

[iamnotagolem]

There is no way RA & RL are cousins (or alibied each other) . LE overlooking the man on the bridge because he said “I was on the bridge” is one thing, but knowing RL lied about his alibi it would be insane that RA provided an alibi for RL and wasn’t looked at, especially that early in the investigation that RAs name was still at the top of the “on the bridge that day” list.

ETA to clarify

 

[mrjitty]

To me, it's very careful and very intentional language. Those specific words were chosen on purpose to make the point they wanted to make, that RA is directly involved in the murder of those sweet girls. Based on what they charged him with, I do believe they are confident they have at least one of the people responsible. I honestly don't find anything alarming about the language of that statement.

jmo
(and as an O/T aside, every time I see your nickname I say it in my head, lol)

The prosecution speaks through the documents they file in court - and those documents make it clear they allege RA is responsible for the two murders. The AA will further particularise this.

This public statement is looser, in the context of a sealed AA. I don't think we should read much into the language, which is of no legal consequence.

I agree with you there is nothing alarming here.

 

[photographer4]

I am confused why did RA need an alibi as he admitted he was out there that day , we know this.

We don’t know what time he was out there or where out there he specifically was.

 

[mrjitty]

I am confused why did RA need an alibi as he admitted he was out there that day , we know this.

Assuming that off record briefing is reliable, he might have said for instance, that he was with someone else?