Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[Krwiley60]

I heard mention of the purported white skull balaclava a few times now. Something like that would certainly seem to fall in to a certain age group?

Perhaps, but I don’t think that’s what it is. It seems like something that is stuffed down into his jacket and possibly sticking out at the top. Maybe goggles. I have worn and seen plenty of balaclavas and none of those resemble what the poster said above. Not saying there isn’t one out there. I have however, always thought he had on a scarf, possibly a tan, tactical shemagh. The white part? I have no clue! JMO as always...

ETA: I just looked at the OBG pictures of him on the bridge and I can say with almost certainty that the object is separate from anything he is wearing. JMO

 

[NonSmokingMan]

Welcome.

Very interesting.

I was surprised to meet LE's key phrases in mainstream articles, but his presentation matters less and what potentially might have been missed, more. This being said, in all such cases, it seems the police is initially somewhat perplexed, so I assume, dealing with SA-motivated slayings is very difficult.

But - I think “hypersexed” is an overkill. My gut feeling is, he probably either has limited sexual experience, or failed miserably when he tried with adults. (Or else, he never tried). So the idea of a rendezvous between an OBG and YBG doesn’t fly with me. But maybe YBG feels turned on by teenagers?

My feeling - he probably targets very young women, as well as teenagers, but he gets turned on by some kind of passivity. He probably started younger and might have been sort of a voyeur (maybe observing women on the bridge?). He is progressing now, and progressing into an organized killer, but he is new, and hence, a disorganized one. I don’t know the details, but I understand he made few attempts to hide the victims, meaning, still disorganized.

Thanks. And thanks all for the welcome. Kinda wish we didn’t have to be here. I think I’m trying to say I wonder if bg has a hyper sexual obsession. I think you’re right. He likely has not had the kind of relations that satisfy him-if any. Granted, we have no idea if there even was S.A. (I feel putrid even typing that.)

The only conjecture in my initial post that I feel strongly about is that the PC was very focused on (what LE considers) a serious P.O.I. Maybe the suspect posted something on social, had a conversation with someone or corresponded with someone about The Shack. Just seemed so very specific in an otherwise pretty lackluster and non-specific PC. My hope-since I think I’ve seen it written-please correct me if I’m wrong-that there is not a current threat to the community; hopefully meaning that LE is sweating their suspect with very obvious surveillance.

Unrelated, I can’t be the only who spent hours tunneling down the rabbit hole looking at faces in the crowd at the PC, or notice that the speaker when he said the culprit could be in the room (to my eyes) made a concerted effort to NOT look at anyone in particular.

As I see written often: all speculation on my part. (Edited for a typo)

 

[Falling Down]

You know, the car question keeps coming up from the presser. It seems it’s not coming up all in in subsequent interviews with Carter.

Yes, there had to be some sort of car that made it up the investigatory ladder to be included in the presser.

Why would anyone park at an abandoned building near the bridge on that day? If so, why hasn’t the person stepped forward? Maybe they have, and it hasn’t been released, fwiw.

IMO.

Some members here have indicated the parking area adjacent to the CPS building has been used frequently by trail users. After all, the trailhead is mere feet away.

My understanding is at least one witness contacted LE early on about a vehicle being parked there, with a basic description of it. I won;t go any further about that aspect of the tip, until last month's PC any information about a vehicle had not been released by LE.

JMO

 

[Falling Down]

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Ding, ding, ding! @sunshineray: If your words in this post could be heard in Delphi at this moment, I believe that, in at least a few households right now, "bells" would be ringing, and in a few places, those bells would be "clanging" very loudly! In addition to fear of major life changes and/or fear for the sake of a younger family member's future, I don't think it would be too much to also imagine perhaps there might be fear for some family member's/members' own lives; thus, the deafening silence.

Generally wondering... what are possible avenues/ways by which such family members/a family member might be able to reach out to LE without fearing for their lives/life? Sure, there's a tip line, but...what if, for example, a suspect's family members are feeling as if their every word/movement to/from their house is being checked, by.the.suspect? What then?

My take is LE may not have "eyes on target", presently, however someone or some people know the identity of BG by now, and LE are pleading with associates of BG to contact them.

My hunch for a while now is LE has a solid case, just no solid lead or leads on who was there that day, at that time. If that makes any sense.

-JMO

 

[Falling Down]

Here are 2 links stating the CPS building was demolished. That suggests to me it was a planned event to eliminate the building. I'm still looking but I can find nothing reported about a fire.
ETA: Lots of news reports of fires in and around the area of Delphi but still nothing about the CPS building catching on fire.

Spike in tips about 2 Delphi girls who were killed in 2017
Indiana State Police releases clarification points on Delphi murder suspect

Just a few things I'd like to share about that building, facts and some speculation on my part.

It's been abandoned for a long time, my guess is since at least 2010. The highway project (IN 25) was completed through that area in 2014. 25 used to run right through Delphi. That general area around the CPS building looked vastly different up until about 2012, there were a couple of businesses by it, the lay of the land where the highway is now is much lower, in fact where that higher ground used to be ran a railroad line/siding/branch from the line which used to include the MHB. Norfolk Southern ran a new siding/branch from the north when the highway project was announced, that goes into the Andersons terminal.

Google Earth aerial and satellite archive photos show how different it looked, yet even back then it appears people were parking by the CPS building to get on to the old railroad right-of-way, according to posts here. 1990's an up until recently. People should park at the parking area on the west side of the highway by the Freedom Bridge.

I was intrigued when I checked Google Street View in recent months, and saw the building was gone. The images are from August of '18.

How it went down I don't know, my guess is bulldozed or maybe a controlled burn for firefighting practice, which happens with old structures.

JMO

 

[Falling Down]

His comment makes me think someone in some form of LE. Not sure exactly what part of LE. Maybe just some small cursory role but someone that could have influenced or pushed the direction of the investigation early on? MOO

I'm starting to wonder about a LE connection, myself, or maybe a corrections officer, something along those lines.

-JMO

 

[Falling Down]

How anyone can see a “punisher skull logo,” is beyond me.

If it was that clear, law enforcement would have mentioned it.

A logo that may or may not exist, is flimsy evidence upon which to build any subsequent link.

That’s my point.

Judging by the images and now video, my eyes see a three-dimensional part of something, maybe a tough nylon strap or something similar.

JMO

 

[Razz]

Just a few things I'd like to share about that building, facts and some speculation on my part.

It's been abandoned for a long time, my guess is since at least 2010. The highway project (IN 25) was completed through that area in 2014. 25 used to run right through Delphi. That general area around the CPS building looked vastly different up until about 2012, there were a couple of businesses by it, the lay of the land where the highway is now is much lower, in fact where that higher ground used to be ran a railroad line/siding/branch from the line which used to include the MHB. Norfolk Southern ran a new siding/branch from the north when the highway project was announced, that goes into the Andersons terminal.

Google Earth aerial and satellite archive photos show how different it looked, yet even back then it appears people were parking by the CPS building to get on to the old railroad right-of-way, according to posts here. 1990's an up until recently. People should park at the parking area on the west side of the highway by the Freedom Bridge.

I was intrigued when I checked Google Street View in recent months, and saw the building was gone. The images are from August of '18.

How it went down I don't know, my guess is bulldozed or maybe a controlled burn for firefighting practice, which happens with old structures.

JMO

How far is the Freedom Bridge parking from the crime scene? I don't believe I've heard that as a possible parking site for YBG.

 

[Falling Down]

How far is the Freedom Bridge parking from the crime scene? I don't believe I've heard that as a possible parking site for YBG.

Approximately one half mile, if you're referencing the parking by the CPS building. The parking area on the west side of 25 is another 1/10 of a mile walking distance, maybe.

JMO

 

[Angelcat13]

In what photo are you seeing this? Can you please share a link to a good quality photo. TIA if you can.

I was only kidding. Sorry.

 

[Krwiley60]

DBM hit wrong button

 

[Gumbeaux]

I once encountered a man at a farmers market, with a baby goat tucked in his jacket. It was an unseasonably warm day, lol.

 

[Angelcat13]

For the record, all I've said is that temperature is subjective and what's "warm" to one person may be "chilly" to someone else. I said this in reference to the idea of BG being "overdressed" or wearing something for warmth.

I don't recall anyone stating that it was 60, though. I've only seen references to the mid 40s, as this link states.

I live in an area that can have significant temperature changes, even within a matter of hours (unfortunately this causes some horses to colic). But... if we are going from Summer to Winter 40 degrees seems cold and out come the sweatshirts. If we are going Winter to Summer 40 degrees is hot and people rush to short sleeves and shorts.

I've always felt that Abby & Libby were dressed exactly like I would expect them to be considering Indiana has similar weather variations. BG, on the other hand, appears to be overdressed for this type of weather change.

 

[Falling Down]

This is a screen shot of a Google Earth image from 2010, shows the CPS building with its original parking area along the old path of C.R. 300. Old IN 25 is on the left side of the image, old railroad RoW/trail we're talking about is to the bottom of the screen.

A 2006 image shows vehicles in the old parking lot, which jives with something I'd read a while back about the building being abandoned in '07.

The 1992 image shows no building, the 1993 image shows a building.

JMO

 

[Razz]

Approximately one half mile, if you're referencing the parking by the CPS building. The parking area on the west side of 25 is another 1/10 of a mile walking distance, maybe.

JMO

Forget about the CPS building for a sec. Say YBG parked at the Freedom Bridge. After the murders, what would be the best way to escape to that particular parking area and how far from the crime scene. I'm just pondering different scenarios. I don't have a good aerial that I can navigate from to view it visually.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

or notice that the speaker when he said the culprit could be in the room (to my eyes) made a concerted effort to NOT look at anyone in particular.

^^ This!
Carter isn't the best actor really, MOO, and I almost felt sorry for him, when he delivered his "show" at the PC. Of course I understand, he had to speak a sophisticated text, talent or not (gestures, looks, voiced feelings).
Btw: What, IF a subordinate has mislead LE in protecting the killer for a certain reason? What, IF a subordinate worked at the call center and made sure, that the right tip was sorted out? (I'm assuming at the moment, that this tip was very special and was not necessarily given multiple times.)

 

[Krwiley60]

So you want a link for an unknown quantity - to say somewhere wasn't searched? I clearly cannot give that but my opinion is it was never searched and was demolished some time in 2018. Considering the hoo haa over the RL , Mears and BBR searches and the very visible CPS building location, I think it would have been obvious and public knowledge by now if they had ever searched it.

And I cannot think of any reason why LE wouldn’t have searched that property. There is so very little public knowledge about this case as it stands, why do you think we would be privy to that?

 

[Falling Down]

Forget about the CPS building for a sec. Say YBG parked at the Freedom Bridge. After the murders, what would be the best way to escape to that particular parking area and how far from the crime scene. I'm just pondering different scenarios. I don't have a good aerial that I can navigate from to view it visually.

Great question, one we've all wondered about, I'm sure.

My guess initially was through the back of the cemetery. However, the private (property) trails, sometimes used by folks on horseback, could have been used as an escape, especially in February when the thick isn't dense. He could have easily gotten back on the trail which leads to the MHB, and just walked in the opposite direction to the Freedom Bridge, crossed it, and walked the short distance to that parking area. From CS to there in maybe 20-25 minutes or so. I drove by there in Aug. of '17, it's off of what used to be/old IN 25.

The distance on foot would be approximately 3/4 of a mile.

JMO

 

[NonSmokingMan]

^^ This!
Carter isn't the best actor really, MOO, and I almost felt sorry for him, when he delivered his "show" at the PC. Of course I understand, he had to speak a sophisticated text, talent or not (gestures, looks, voiced feelings).
Btw: What, IF a subordinate has mislead LE in protecting the killer for a certain reason? What, IF a subordinate worked at the call center and made sure, that the right tip was sorted out?

While I think it would be difficult to hide a tip at the call center, would we be surprised if the BG wasn’t a part of the search party? Not implying a first responder or LEO, but a concerned citizen? Someone wanting to insert themselves into the investigation to garner as much info as possible? Y’all are the real sleuths, so please correct me, but IF irc, haven’t other murderers gone back to the crime scene? I for sure recall arsonists doing this.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Forget about the CPS building for a sec. Say YBG parked at the Freedom Bridge. After the murders, what would be the best way to escape to that particular parking area and how far from the crime scene. I'm just pondering different scenarios. I don't have a good aerial that I can navigate from to view it visually.

Do I remember well, that at the Freedom Bridge/in that area there was a road blocking very early on? Febr. 14th? Many white police cars seen from above per air view ..... I'm still seeing it in my mind's eye.