Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[gonegonegoing]

I'm sure this has been answered a million times but, does anyone hunt within the immediate vicinity of Monon? Was daydreaming the other day about a scenario in which BG was hunting with a partner (who had no idea about the crime/wasn't involved at all) who gave him an alibi, and the LE's appeal was targeted towards their conscience. Which I'm sure is completely unlikely - but BG was certainly dressed the part! And I wonder is there anything hunting related in 'The Shack'?

Appears it was only coyote or fox season, so I doubt it. He certainly wasn’t dressed appropriately for deer hunting.

 

[gonegonegoing]

I think a "gamer" who has moved from gaming fantasy to reality would more likely support a personally targeted motive. I agree with you that more intense criminal simulation games would be more likely. Games that involve fantasy gang, mafia or narco lord empire building would come to mind.

Could you expound more on this? Fail to see the possible link between gang/mafia/narco games and this crime, especially if it was sexually motivated.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I'm sure this has been answered a million times but, does anyone hunt within the immediate vicinity of Monon? Was daydreaming the other day about a scenario in which BG was hunting with a partner (who had no idea about the crime/wasn't involved at all) who gave him an alibi, and the LE's appeal was targeted towards their conscience. Which I'm sure is completely unlikely - but BG was certainly dressed the part! And I wonder is there anything hunting related in 'The Shack'?

Iirc...Hunting within the Trail area is Verboten!!

 

[mtnlites]

Could you expound more on this? Fail to see the possible link between gang/mafia/narco games and this crime, especially if it was sexually motivated.

If it was sexually motivated then I could see how "control" and "power" would be a theme that enticed BG. Sexual assaults aren't always about sexual gratification on the perp's side, but about exerting control over someone else. I'm mostly with you on this, though. Talking about video games is a slippery slope to go down because most people who play them don't go on to actually kill real people.

 

[susiQ]

Sometimes they do return to the scene and like to insert themselves into the investigation, including the search parties, so BG absolutely could've done this.

I think sabotaging the tip(s) would be much more difficult. They had hundreds of people brought on to help with the influx of phone calls and emails. Unless the wrong person got the right tip by coincidence, it would've been difficult to bury it.

I agree it would be difficult to bury a tip, but what if the tip led to some investigation and then got derailed by someone? I'm stuck on Supt DC talking about possibly knowing something "early on" and why that (whatever it was) wasn't pursued. Obviously, they had the sketch they didn't release until recently, VERY early on. It's hinted at, that there's a "reason" for this, but unless they finally get the creature that committed this evil deed, we will never know why they failed to follow up on THAT information. I have to tell you, that really irks me.

 

[Wells]

Doubted if I'd ever actually get here, but I am now caught up. You may proceed

 

[mtnlites]

I agree it would be difficult to bury a tip, but what if the tip led to some investigation and then got derailed by someone? I'm stuck on Supt DC talking about possibly knowing something "early on" and why that (whatever it was) wasn't pursued. Obviously, they had the sketch they didn't release until recently, VERY early on. It's hinted at, that there's a "reason" for this, but unless they finally get the creature that committed this evil deed, we will never know why they failed to follow up on THAT information. I have to tell you, that really irks me.

I wonder if they had a lead early on but that guy's alibi stuck or they uncovered some evidence that pointed away from their initial ideas. I'd also like to know what they were thinking in the beginning.

 

[gonegonegoing]

If it was sexually motivated then I could see how "control" and "power" would be a theme that enticed BG. Sexual assaults aren't always about sexual gratification on the perp's side, but about exerting control over someone else. I'm mostly with you on this, though. Talking about video games is a slippery slope to go down because most people who play them don't go on to actually kill real people.

There are so little known facts though, which includes the motive, age, and what have you about the perpetrator, let alone potential leisurely activities. Don’t see the logic in if sexually or control motivated, then potentially these hobbies or outlets of fantasy in regard to video games. If he’s on the upper end of their suspected age range, this seems even more spurious. Even if we presuppose this was purely, or even a great deal, about power and control, one could easily put forward he owned a dog by the same logic presented here in regard to video games — reminiscent of Nietzsche’s old musing about dog owners all being Napoleons in the eyes of their pets. Quite a stretch.

 

[susiQ]

I wonder if they had a lead early on but that guy's alibi stuck or they uncovered some evidence that pointed away from their initial ideas. I'd also like to know what they were thinking in the beginning.

Yes, that could well have happened. Not sure, but do you know if LE need a SW to collect cast-off DNA?

 

[Detective Willy]

I have followed this case closely since the beginning and still cant believe this multiple murderer has not been caught yet. It sounds like they need him to walk into a Police Station and confess?

 

[FinePrint]

I was thinking about this case over the holiday weekend like many of you I'm sure.

I posted a article a while back (its there somewhere) about a witness who claims to have seen BG that day on the trail. She said he was wearing a scarf.

I know many have seen different things, respirators and so on but I'm looking at the BG video and I believe he may be wearing a scarf.

Anyone else see this. And if this is true than that witness may be the one who also initially provided the details for the YBG sketch.

Just MO of course.

 

[Charlot123]

I think a "gamer" who has moved from gaming fantasy to reality would more likely support a personally targeted motive. I agree with you that more intense criminal simulation games would be more likely. Games that involve fantasy gang, mafia or narco lord empire building would come to mind.

Studies have shown that killers who are about control often dream of being “heroes” and having unlimited powers in childhood, so, maybe what you said.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Doubted if I'd ever actually get here, but I am now caught up. You may proceed

I'm proud of you. My work schedule has gotten so hectic I've stopped posting lol. Cannot keep up.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I thought someone posted an article last week that said the FBI is the one who manages the tip line.

What, IF the investigators are the same human beings like police and someone of them had a reason to eliminate the extraordinary tip? Because the pic of the OBG didn't match with the person acc. to the tip, it wasn't noticeable for the crew - up to the picture of NBG, perhaps.
Well, I don't think, it would have been easy, to eliminate a tip; I realize that. But maybe, it had happened somewhere/somehow in the past? To protect a well-known person? Idk.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

What, IF the investigators are the same human beings like police and someone of them had a reason to eliminate the extraordinary tip? Because the pic of the OBG didn't match with the person acc. to the tip, it wasn't noticeable - up to the picture of NBG, perhaps.
Well, I don't think, it would have been easy, to eliminate a tip; I realize that. But maybe, it had happened in the past? Idk.

How about someone in LE being the one to ring a tip in? Or creating a false tip from the position of taking tips?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Are there any strip joints in that area? For whatever reason I can imagine him going to them a lot. Voyeurism at its finest. I wonder if there is someone who used to frequent them, but stopped. Or visa versa. I'm guessing the staff would know.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

How about someone in LE being the one to ring a tip in? Or creating a false tip from the position of taking tips?

The latter perhaps?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Are there any strip joints in that area? For whatever reason I can imagine him going to them a lot. Voyeurism at its finest. I wonder if there is someone who used to frequent them, but stopped. Or visa versa. I'm guessing the staff would know.

With so many construction workers in the area, one would think, there have to be mannny nice women residing somewhere. Could have been the starting point.
Only an idea ....

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I was thinking about this case over the holiday weekend like many of you I'm sure.

I posted a article a while back (its there somewhere) about a witness who claims to have seen BG that day on the trail. She said he was wearing a scarf.

I know many have seen different things, respirators and so on but I'm looking at the BG video and I believe he may be wearing a scarf.

Anyone else see this. And if this is true than that witness may be the one who also initially provided the details for the YBG sketch.

Just MO of course.

Bumping this forward
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[Cryptic]

Could you expound more on this? Fail to see the possible link between gang/mafia/narco games and this crime, especially if it was sexually motivated.

I will try to explain better:

Firstly, the police have not specified whether or not the crime occurred due to a sexual motive. This leaves two broad, general possible motive clusters:

- Sexual (cannot be ruled out)

- Other criminal (vengeance, fear the victims would disclosure something, a personal dispute with somebody close to the victim, dispute with the victim etc.)

And now the possible “gamer” aspect in regards to the "other criminal motive" possibility:

Perpetrator is inherently violent and in day to day reality is a second string, small town criminal or “bad news” type. In the alternative gaming universe, however, the perpetrator is a powerful and violent mafia don, narco lord, street gang leader etc.

The perpetrator’s gaming ultra-ego solves problems through overload violence. Thus he thinks his real world personage should use the same tactics to “solve” real world “problems”. The perpetrator then commits a horrible crime over trivial reasons.