Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[Sugarcane18]

He is looking to the left of him, mostly.

I think they mean our right, his left.

 

[NancyDrew3]

Delphi double homicides: 'Horrible to live like this,' a year after Abby and Libby were killed

Finally this Morn....This article from Feb 2018 shows that the initial tipline was v busy and based and manned in Delphi for the first week. So early on in the investigation tips would have been logged etc locally. From article...


THE 911 DISPATCHER: KILLER’S WORLD GETTING SMALLER EVERY DAY Cassi Lane said she knew that finding Abby and Libby’s killer wasn’t going to be easy two days after the girls were found, when investigators installed a phone bank at the Delphi Police Department. “The moment we set up a tip line with 10 phones with 10 lines each, I knew we were in for the long haul,” said Lane, lead communicator for Carroll County 911.

(PICTURE :Cassi Lane talks Tuesday, February 6, 2018, about the long work days during the initial investigation into the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams in Delphi. The two girls were murdered February 13, 2017, while hiking the Monon High Bridge Trail just east of Delphi. Lane, who is lead communicator for Carroll County 911, said she worked 12-14 hour days fielding tips that were phoned into her office.)

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10 phones, 10 lines per phone one week after the murders in the face of more visual and auditory evidence than normally available in such a case. To this date, over two years later, no closure. Suspected to now be from Delphi but not one person outside his immediate family ever saw him in Delphi in a traceable way, based on the lack of closure to date after over 42,000 tips. This is very interesting to me. It’s almost like the ISP and FBI suspected from the start they were dealing with someone(s) with criminal investigation skills as good as their own...i.e., inside job of some kind...like the GSK.

 

[Seenit]

Sorry guys. I'm not ignoring the posts that ask me questions about the bridge. Sorry to go OT, but my seriously ill daughter, who we thought was improving, got worse this afternoon. I didn't want you to think I bailed.

I hope she is doing btter. Hugs, prayers and well wishes that she recovers soon.

 

[sunshineray]

He is looking to the left of him, mostly.

A lot of the family members I think were to his left and yes he did talk in their direction a lot but not the times I was addressing.

 

[sunshineray]

I think they mean our right, his left.

I meant to his right.

 

[Sugarcane18]

I meant to his right.

Oh, apologies ok I'll take a closer look.

 

[janewall]

I'm late catching up, but want to send @mtnlites' daughter some healing wishes before I turn in. I hope that the next flurry of posts includes news that her condition is better.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Sorry guys. I'm not ignoring the posts that ask me questions about the bridge. Sorry to go OT, but my seriously ill daughter, who we thought was improving, got worse this afternoon. I didn't want you to think I bailed.

Just waking up in the UK. Sending my thoughts to you and Family.
SvS

 

[tresir2012]

To me, the ID special made it sound like he wasn't necessarily doing anything creepy on the bridge, they were just standing there at the end, waiting for him to cross so that they could then re-cross to go home. There have been lots of theories about how maybe he pushed one of them off, how he may have been doing something vulgar, etc. But it sounds like he just kind of blitz attacked when he reached the end.

I'm still not entirely convinced that they didn't cross back over and go "down the hill" on the other side. That would explain why they were on the opposite side of the creek. (Though I still think it was possible to wade through it, either through panic or by force.)

Abby's house was close as a crow flies and as viewed from an aerial position. It's not like they could've taken off at a run for it and been there in a couple of minutes, though. They'd have had to run across uneven ground, underbrush in some places, across ditches, and even over a couple of fences and that would've been before they reached the main road. We tried to walk the same route once. It was exhausting and not an easy walk.

Can't you just go down the road under the bridge to get to it?

ETA just read other post about your daughter - sorry to hear that and hope the emergency is over and she is improving.

 

[Jax49]

Hmm... How strange, I always heard it being retrieved from the cloud?

There have been multiple statements indicating the physical phone was found. Here's an early one.

ISP: More audio recovered from slain Delphi teen's phone

Sgt. Holeman tells us investigators recovered more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene.

 

[tresir2012]

Or intentionally oversized to accommodate the numerous goats he was carrying...



You know I'm "kidding," right?

JMHO YMMV

What is YMMV? I always think of it as "you make me vomit" but it doesn't go with your hilarious post.

 

[Jax49]

What is YMMV?

Your Mileage May Vary

 

[tresir2012]

Your Mileage May Vary

??? Thanks. Makes more sense than my interpretation.

 

[Hazelnutty]

Let today be the day for Abby + Libby's murderer to be arrested.

 

[rainwaterstill]

Maybe a domestic violence issue - verbal and/or physical - against a parent, sibling, partner? I don’t think it would be a frequent or ongoing issue as this would likely have put him on LE’s radar. But maybe a one-time outburst when things were particularly stressful.

MOO and only MOO:
Or repeated violent outburst(s) against his own children and he lost custody of them in a divorce proceeding to his ex-wife. Maybe not in Indiana, but in a surrounding state. He decided to take his anger out on two innocent girls.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Sorry guys. I'm not ignoring the posts that ask me questions about the bridge. Sorry to go OT, but my seriously ill daughter, who we thought was improving, got worse this afternoon. I didn't want you to think I bailed.

Hope she improves soon!

 

[TheVisual]

MOO and only MOO:
Or repeated violent outburst(s) against his own children and he lost custody of them in a divorce proceeding to his ex-wife. Maybe not in Indiana, but in a surrounding state. He decided to take his anger out on two innocent girls.

Yes, estranged with his daughter because he raged at her the last time he saw her for some reason (around Libby's age) Things just clicked when he saw Libby and he raged again thinking that all girls that age are little brats that have to have their own way. How many might he have killed before this? JMO

 

[Angelcat13]

No, that's a great question. Most of the rails were removed when I was a kid so I don't really remember ever seeing the area as it was when trains actually ran. I used to think that the train literally had to stop there and couldn't go any further. But, to answer your question, there used to be rails that would take you right on to your next destination. The trail didn't end as decisively as it does now.

Thanks, mtnlites, for your local insight and well-thought our responses!

 

[Angelcat13]

Sorry guys. I'm not ignoring the posts that ask me questions about the bridge. Sorry to go OT, but my seriously ill daughter, who we thought was improving, got worse this afternoon. I didn't want you to think I bailed.

I hope everything is OK. Will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[missingm]

Can't you just go down the road under the bridge to get to it?

It appears that way, but I too would like to get some local verification. It is my thinking that he left his car on that road in order to get away quickly. That would indicate planning and good familiarity with the bridge. He was aware of how many people walked it and that it was a good place for an ambush. Maybe he was assaulted there when he was young or had a scary encounter.