Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[mtnlites]

I've been thinking about Libby fishing in the Monon Bridge area. Was she alone or w/ someone during these times? I'm beginning to think BG may have had a thing for Libby. Maybe that's where he originally saw her.

Could it be he privately followed her via FB? Did he know about her interest in forensics and her interest in welding?

I wonder if those are somehow connected. She had interests that a man would likely have. And maybe he introduced himself to her at some time. So I'm wondering if his interest was Libby and Abby just happened to be the "third party?"

All my speculation and not grounded in facts. Just a theory.

BBM

Because she liked to fish and play softball?

 

[MassGuy]

It's not police jargon at all to me so I am confused as how he even could "misuse it". The phrase has been around forever and is used in a variety of manners-and long before we started talking about DNA. There are literally references to it in literature from the 18th century,but a very famous quote ("if you want to hide the treasure then put it in plain sight and no one will find it") has been around MUCH longer than that. Many languages have their own versions of it. The definition is simply "seemingly hidden but actually not hidden and easy to find".To me, "hiding in plain sight" just means that the dude isn't "hiding" at all. He's just going on about his daily business as usual. He's "hiding" in that he's not. I use the exact same phrase when my daughter can't find her shoes because they're "lost" (when, in actuality, they're right there in the middle of the floor). At our county Easter egg hunt a few weeks ago that's the first thing they shouted to the kids as they ran off with their baskets: "Remember kids, most of these are hidden in plain sight! Don't look too hard!"

IMO there's no way to "misuse" the phrase because the official meaning of the phrase is about as general as it can be; it can be used to fit a variety of situations and is therefore subjective to the meaning given to it by the speaker.

It’s used so often, it’s a cliche at this point.

I’ve heard it used untold hundreds of times.

 

[mtnlites]

MOO had that same idea from what Carter said to WISH TV, I thought he said that BG true appearance was going to being something between YBG sketch and OBG sketch.
I went back and listened again and found that he apparently meant that reality was going to be somewhere between the NBG and the actual appearance of the individual.
In other words, MOO he meant the YBG aketch is a ballpark representation.

That's what I thought, too, but then he clarified his meaning in another interview after that. It's not MSM. During that interview it became much clearer that he meant between the two sketches.

 

[JMT1008]

Re: Phone pinging around town. I'm sure this has been discussed, but I'll offer anecdotal reference to what that could mean. I live in a fairly populated area, or at least, more densely populated than Delphi, so cell coverage is reliable. I live on a small mountain, and the highest peak behind my house has no less than four cell phone towers on it, plus several air traffic control radio towers for two nearby airports. From my front porch, I can see Harrisburg, PA, and several cell phone towers across the Susquehanna River, etc. Looking at my google profile, which has location data, shows me moving between cellphone towers in Steelton (south of Harrisburg, 20 min drive, 3 miles as the crow flies), New Cumberland (bottom of the mountain, 1 mile away), and the towers behind my house, less than three quarters of a mile away. All this movement is timestamped to have taken place in less than 10 minutes, which, unless I were a bird, is impossible. Furthermore, the only place I was- was on my own front porch. So perhaps, what is meant by "pinging around town" is just that... movement from one tower to another, based on traffic and bandwidth.

 

[Charlot123]

Abby was the avid fisher, as pictured in the photograph that has been shown in several posters, collages, and news releases. (And also on her mother's FB.) But yes, BG may have had an obsessive interest in one of the girls based on her interests or on his secret observations.

He might have had an obsessive interest in one of the girls, or, even her sister. I don’t believe he is close to either girls’ families. However, he an evil guy, not the one to forget or forgive. I just feel it. But I am positive he would be afraid to openly hit on a minor. Her older sister? Quite possibly, and she may not even remember saying “no” to someone inviting her out, because he probably turned it into a joke.

MOO.

I did not want to write about it as the families feel bad as it is. But then I thought, the police probably looked for potential stalkers of Abby, Libby or Kelsi anyhow. But maybe they did not look at the class or two graduating before Kelsi, for example.

 

[TheVisual]

Abby was the avid fisher, as pictured in the photograph that has been shown in several posters, collages, and news releases. (And also on her mother's FB.) But yes, BG may have had an obsessive interest in one of the girls based on her interests or on his secret observations.

BG is probably out there fishing right now and enjoying life!

 

[Charlot123]

I don't remember if LE stated that the murderer was driving the vehicle that was seen at the abandoned building. (Although, I don't believe it was coincidence that at the same time we have a new sketch, we have new concern for a previously undisclosed vehicle.) LE may accounted for almost all of the owners of vehicles parked in the regular parking lots that afternoon. I believe the murderer probably had the girls sometime between 2:30 and 3:00 and that they were dead by 3:30. If that is so he likely left the area VERY soon after and was gone by 4:00, if not a half hour earlier. I don't see him still parked there at 5:00. Of course, (1) the 5:00 time may include a 'fudge factor' by LE OR (2) he stuck around briefly to see if there was any commotion by a parent or parents - i.e., to gloat to himself.

We don’t know how he felt after the killings. If it was his first one, he might have come to his senses and was praying somewhere in the woods, and then joined the commotion. In this case, his car could have stayed there, even later than 5 pm.

 

[Krwiley60]

MOO had that same idea from what Carter said to WISH TV, I thought he said that BG true appearance was going to being something between YBG sketch and OBG sketch.
I went back and listened again and found that he apparently meant that reality was going to be somewhere between the NBG and the actual appearance of the individual.
In other words, MOO he meant the YBG aketch is a ballpark representation.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Razz]

BBM

Because she liked to fish and play softball?

As it turns out Abby was the avid fisherperson. Libby was athletic, took forensics classes and was a welder.
Perhaps those activities crossed over with BG at some point in time.

 

[Jabarn]

We don’t know how he felt after the killings. If it was his first one, he might have come to his senses and was praying somewhere in the woods, and then joined the commotion. In this case, his car could have stayed there, even later than 5 pm.

You know, I have wondered since day one if he was watching or listening to the search from a distance, but didn’t directly participate in it.

 

[k-mac]

can anyone tell me why DN was dismissed as a POI??
because looking back with the new sketch in tow I find he has a stunning resemblance to BOTH .
he ticks all the boxes.
-proximity to the crime
-escalating anger issues
-a registered sex offender
-a recent death in family
-nomatic
-arrested for hassling people on a hiking trial 6 months later in CO.
- left greenwood within months after libby and abbies murders.
-domestic violence

list goes on and on.
appreciate any info on why he has been dismissed.

moo

 

[Boxer]

dbm duplicate

 

[cluciano63]

Unless he lives nearby, my guess is he left the area immediately.

 

[MassGuy]

can anyone tell me why DN was dismissed as a POI??
because looking back with the new sketch in tow I find he has a stunning resemblance to BOTH .
he ticks all the boxes.
-proximity to the crime
-escalating anger issues
-a registered sex offender
-a recent death in family
-nomatic
-arrested for hassling people on a hiking trial 6 months later in CO.
- left greenwood within months after libby and abbies murders.
-domestic violence

list goes on and on.
appreciate any info on why he has been dismissed.

moo

My guess is DNA. He and CE looked like great suspects.

 

[MassGuy]

Unless he lives nearby, my guess is he left the area immediately.

He may have left, and then returned when things cooled down.

He may have left altogether.

He also may not have left at all.

There is plenty of precedent for any of these behaviors.

 

[rosesfromangels]

can anyone tell me why DN was dismissed as a POI??
because looking back with the new sketch in tow I find he has a stunning resemblance to BOTH .
he ticks all the boxes.
-proximity to the crime
-escalating anger issues
-a registered sex offender
-a recent death in family
-nomatic
-arrested for hassling people on a hiking trial 6 months later in CO.
- left greenwood within months after libby and abbies murders.
-domestic violence

list goes on and on.
appreciate any info on why he has been dismissed.

moo

And has a potato nose
potato nose - Dictionary Definition

Amateur opinion and speculation - no authority on potatoes, or noses.

 

[mtnlites]

can anyone tell me why DN was dismissed as a POI??
because looking back with the new sketch in tow I find he has a stunning resemblance to BOTH .
he ticks all the boxes.
-proximity to the crime
-escalating anger issues
-a registered sex offender
-a recent death in family
-nomatic
-arrested for hassling people on a hiking trial 6 months later in CO.
- left greenwood within months after libby and abbies murders.
-domestic violence

list goes on and on.
appreciate any info on why he has been dismissed.

moo

LE's the only people who know the actual profile-a profile that takes COD, murder weapon, etc into consideration. It's possible that DN doesn't profile as that. As far as we know through MSM, DN did not have any major links to Delphi. My VERY strong "guess" is that DN had a good alibi for that time-an alibi that hasn't been released-and couldn't be placed in Delphi that day. Or even at all. While he may superficially resemble the sketch and some of the things that we know, there may be some very big things that we don't know that allowed them to rule him out. I also think that he didn't match with the DNA.

If LE still thought that he might be their guy, I don't think they'd have spent all this extra time and energy gathering more tips, releasing new evidence, etc. Since they have done those things...

There have been several people who have looked like BG and have records of assault, are an RSO, are nomadic and loners, etc. I'm sure LE has seen a whole bunch of them.

 

[FreshEyes]

We don’t know how he felt after the killings. If it was his first one, he might have come to his senses and was praying somewhere in the woods, and then joined the commotion. In this case, his car could have stayed there, even later than 5 pm.

BBM MOO Maybe he did leave his car there after 5 and when asked, he claimed he arrived around 5 when it was in fact parked there earlier. Now LE wants witnesses who can place it there earlier in the afternoon.
Just my thoughts at the moment.

 

[Jabarn]

My guess is DNA. He and CE looked like great suspects.

There was another story that led DN away from Indiana at the time (I think it was something to do with his brother). As I write this, DN is not of particular interest to the investigators. If you recall, even his beginning as a POI, an investigator went to Colorado for a conference and shared information on the Delphi crime, so Indiana was on the radar. It wasn’t long after, the event with the murdered cyclist showed up, and DN was waving an axe at strangers with Indiana license plates. It may have been coincidence. Certainly seems that way to me for now.

 

[flashy09]

As it turns out Abby was the avid fisherperson. Libby was athletic, took forensics classes and was a welder.
Perhaps those activities crossed over with BG at some point in time.

That is what I keep wondering. Libby took classes at Purdue, which exposed her to college aged males. So many from Delphi, Monticello, and the surrounding smaller towns that are familiar with the bridge and trails go to Purdue after high school. I go back and forth between whether someone tracked her there or whether it was random and he was just was just on the lookout for a victim, but either way I think Purdue is a good source of the age range that would know Delphi. If going off the sketch, that is a young man and very much on the younger side of the age range given.