Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[crhedBngr]

IP was an immediate place the police looked. IP will hire felons. Workers can take a free shuttle from Lafayette to tour and apply. I believe there is a church helping out with that shuttle trying to get indigent men back on their feet. I believe they have high turnover, but nothing came of police searches and interviews - I believe police have been back twice for mass interviews. There is a lot on the internet about it.

Thanks. I thought I read early on that IP did hire felons. So many, many things to think about. It is indeed frustrating--one feels that an arrest is imminent, and then it seems like we're back to Square One.

Ugh.

 

[Charlot123]

I am currently 50/50 split between someone whose alibi has not been confirmed, car and all, and someone who is very much like JP and lives on the fringe of the Delphi community. He could have graduated from one of local schools but is probably totally forgotten by everyone, classmates and all. He might be working a menial job, but not because he is low IQ (he is not), but because such types of people are deeply insecure and choose unstimulating jobs below their education and expertise. He might work at the cemetery, for example, or in construction, or as a meat packer, or at a farm.

Personally, I see no evidence of religiosity in these murders, but then, maybe the details that LE knows indicate the opposite.

Hope they have “some” DNA.

 

[mtnlites]

Switching subjects......

I know you are a local and I am sorry if this has been addressed previously: What if he had a kayak?

This page here suggests that the sport is popular in your area:
Deer Creek Water Trail | Indianatrails.com

Not sure you're addressing, but I can probably answer that.

Transparency: I'm not a local, have never lived in Delphi, but I have many relatives there and have been traveling back and forth to visit-sometimes for weeks at a time-for almost 40 years.

Kayaking/canoeing is possible on Deer Creek, but only on certain parts of the creek and only when the water level is high enough. I've seen pictures of people doing it, and I've seen kayaks on the creek, but never right there around the park. IMHO I don't think he used a boat. The main reason is that he would've been sheltered by the trees for a little bit, but then in about 50 yards he'd have been right out in the open and headed towards lots of houses, people, cars, businesses, etc. If he'd wanted to keep a low profile, a boat isn't the way to do it there. At that time of the year, on that stretch of the water, people would look and they'd remember. Lots of ways that he could get delayed or have to curtail his trip altogether. With there having been snow and rain, I'd have worried about branches,downed trees, etc in the water. He'd have had a MUCH better chance of getting out quickly and less noticeably if he'd gone by car.

TLR It's theoretically possible, especially if he'd done it before and knew where the hot spots were in the water trail, but it would've been very risky and not a quick way to get in or out.

 

[Charlot123]

Thanks. I thought I read early on that IP did hire felons. So many, many things to think about. It is indeed frustrating--one feels that an arrest is imminent, and then it seems like we're back to Square One.

Ugh.

This article is interesting, and has interesting pie charts. Including types of offenses for which people go to prison.

Mass Incarceration: The Whole Pie 2019

My feeling is, not every felon, not every murderer would commit such a crime.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, he's been repeating himself since day one. The problem, as I see it, is that he's giving the public false hope. "We're just one tip away from solving this case" leads one to believe that they're oh-so-close! But he's been saying that for 2+ years. This case is no closer to being solved than thousands of other cold cases which need "just that one tip" to be solved.

Don't give up hope. I'm going to bring up the Rhoden murders again. Over two years, people were saying the same thing, it's a cold case, it will never be solved. Then last October, the LE got that one more piece of evidence they needed to feel they could now arrest, prosecute and win.

 

[Boxer]

Thanks. I thought I read early on that IP did hire felons. So many, many things to think about. It is indeed frustrating--one feels that an arrest is imminent, and then it seems like we're back to Square One.

Ugh.

IP does hire felons and there are articles out there about some violations hiring workers without documents.

Maybe the key to making an arrest is very close to square one, MOO once they are on the really right track, it won't take long. In contrast, continuing to look in the wrong age group with a sketch that doesn't look like the suspect will never lead anywhere.

 

[mtnlites]

Don't give up hope. I'm going to bring up the Rhoden murders again. Over two years, people were saying the same thing, it's a cold case, it will never be solved. Then last October, the LE got that one more piece of evidence they needed to feel they could now arrest, prosecute and win.

With the Rhoden murders, though, it seemed pretty obvious from the very beginning who was responsible. Due to ToS there wasn't much we could say about that on this site because those people had not been charged, but elsewhere on the 'net the question was no so much "who" but "when will they finally get arrested". That's not so in this case, though. Some people think they know-one group over here thinks it's Person A and that guy over there thinks it's Person B, and so on, but there's no real unanimous conclusions being drawn. No big open secret in Delphi. Nobody really knows.

 

[sunshineray]

With the Rhoden murders, though, it seemed pretty obvious from the very beginning who was responsible. Due to ToS there wasn't much we could say about that on this site because those people had not been charged, but elsewhere on the 'net the question was no so much "who" but "when will they finally get arrested". That's not so in this case, though. Some people think they know-one group over here thinks it's Person A and that guy over there thinks it's Person B, and so on, but there's no real unanimous conclusions being drawn. No big open secret in Delphi. Nobody really knows.

It was the same way in the Rhoden case until they up and moved out of state and LE asked for info on them. Before that it was anybody's guess who was responsible and the ones finally arrested were definitely under the radar and not being discussed. Something happened recently to make the ISP change their strategy. I know a lot of people think it's a hopeless cold case now. I think the opposite. I find hopefullness in the change.

 

[Detective Willy]

I sometimes wonder why LE has waited more than 2 years to release more audio and video. IMO they should release everything ASAP as the longer time goes by the less people remember things.

 

[MassGuy]

I sometimes wonder why LE has waited more than 2 years to release more audio and video. IMO they should release everything ASAP as the longer time goes by the less people remember things.

There’s been some speculation from former law enforcement officials, that they were reluctant to release the video, because of the strange way he is walking (on account of the deteriorated surface).

That does make some sense to me, but I’m not sold on that idea.

They’ve made a determination that this is all they can release thus far. There may be solid reasoning behind this, something that we are obviously not privy to.

It’s easy to criticize when we don’t have all the facts, and when the day comes that we do (hopefully), then that will be the time to pick apart their decision making.

I’m just not sure now is the time, because we don’t know what they know.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

People like the Tom Brady avatar, clearly.

Thoroughly selected.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

You know, I have wondered since day one if he was watching or listening to the search from a distance, but didn’t directly participate in it.

Police radio traffic?

 

[tresir2012]

That also might mean that neither has an alibi.

Yes, that's what I meant. Two people involved with the vehicle they are looking for and one is the killer, the other the alibi/accomplice/driver keeping quiet in fear of his/her life. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Right! Or my glasses.

Yes, when they're on the top of my head.

 

[mtnlites]

Re: the vehicle parked at govt building

What if the witness who provided the NewBG sketch saw him in the parking lot at the building ? It could be possible that the sketch witness saw him there, but while they could remember his face, they didn't pay enough attention to the vehicle but to remember anything but it's color.

Witness: I saw this young man acting kind of nervous. He got into his vehicle and then took off at 70 down the road.
LE: Do you remember what kind of vehicle it was?
Witness: No, I'm sorry. I just remember that it was white and kind of small.

Since that wouldn't be enough to go on, they're trying to find someone else who saw it as well.

 

[TTF14]

People like the Tom Brady avatar, clearly.

Take that back!

 

[rainwaterstill]

Here, not only packers...

.” Big thanks go out to Tippman Construction, LLC for their masterful project management, Carroll County Economic Development Corporation and the Carroll County Redevelopment Commission for their help with infrastructure upgrades and the Carroll White REMC for their help with energy-efficient design.”

LOTS of people. Hiding in this area of work is not “in plain sight”, more like “a needle in a haystack”.

It could be someone from Tippman Construction, too. Basically, anyone. But these people are officially employed, I hope. Maybe some jobs are even unionized?

I am not a specialist in Indiana dialect, but the man spoke like a local.

MOO, MOO and MOO in the post below.
I am no expert either but, after listening to the audio many times, I think I hear a flat undertone in the way he says his words. It reminds me of the way people in Minnesota speak- (I have numerous step-family in MN.) He sounds like a typical middle or northern Indiana resident, with an undertone of MN thrown in. Any MN residents hear it as well?


For those WS ers who are not familiar with or do not live in Indiana: The closer you get to the Kentucky-Indiana state line, the more Indiana residents speak with a southern accent/drawl. The closer to KY, the stronger the accent. I don't hear southern accent in his words.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I sometimes wonder why LE has waited more than 2 years to release more audio and video. IMO they should release everything ASAP as the longer time goes by the less people remember things.

If they can elicit the response they need to identify their target they aren’t going to release everything. They do it in drips.

Looking back at the very beginning of the case people were already doing the side by sides based on the sketch. Before that they were comparing random people to the still. These are not necessarily the people LE wants to hear from.

 

[Cutiekitty]

It's physically possible, yes. Theoretically it could make sense. But given what we know about the time factor I'm not real sure it's likely.

The time factor is something I’ve been thinking about (obviously) quite a bit. I’m not capping BG’s window of activity at 3:30. DG started looking shortly before 3:30, but he didn’t go anywhere near where the girls were found. When reinforcements arrived at 4:00 they didn’t look anywhere near where the girls were found either. BG could’ve been at the CS for a bit longer than assumed.

Not trying to be argumentative at all - Just elaborating on my thoughts. Thanks again for taking a look!

Side note: I saw a pic someone took from the crime scene area facing the bridge looking across the creek and you can actually see the south end of the bridge from the scene. Granted it’s through a bunch of trees, but it’s pretty clear. I was really surprised by that.

 

[tresir2012]

If they can elicit the response they need to identify their target they aren’t going to release everything. They do it in drips.

Looking back at the very beginning of the case people were already doing the side by sides based on the sketch. Before that they were comparing random people to the still. These are not necessarily the people LE wants to hear from.

They really wasted a year or more on RL and DN. Probably others too that we don't know about but hopefully now with a couple of murderers in jail, perhaps some lips will get looser now. MOO.