Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[rainwaterstill]

You know in crimes like this it’s not uncommon for acquaintances to recognize a perp off of one single grainy surveillance image. Yet not connect them to the crime bc they just have that nagging doubt that it couldn’t possibly be them.

In this case you have video footage of the perp, audio of the perp, eye witness sketches of the perp.

I don’t believe that anybody is intentionally covering for BG in this case. Jmo

Which makes me even more confused how we still don’t know who this monster is.

All the little identifying things that investigators would absolutely love to have, we have in this case.

I think they have been shocked from very early on that nobody has seemingly called him in

As am I

It only takes one person. One. Apparently, all of the info about BG and the new sketch has not yet reached that one person, for whatever reason. I don't think we can suppose that everyone, everywhere, is interested in, or on electronic gadgets or interested/spends time on social media. MOOO until the cows come home.

 

[MizStery]

In this case you have video footage of the perp, audio of the perp, eye witness sketches of the perp.
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I think they have been shocked from very early on that nobody has seemingly called him in
As am I

Hi ab01, as I read your comments I went,Wow,I know I have read something similar to that somewhere? Pow, then I remembered March 14,2017 Carroll County Prosecutor Ives made an eerily similar statement.

I go back before DNA and cell phones,” said Ives who remembered prosecuting criminal cases in Carroll County with less evidence than in this case since 1987, “and I certainly would have said, if experienced investigators, as we have in this case, had the evidence that was available in this case, I would expect them to solve it within a month. That’s without DNA and cell phones which are a big part of what’s going on here.
“No arrest is imminent,” he said. “No case is close to being developed.”
LINK
Prosecutor says cops likely have met Delphi killer or received crucial tip due to scope of probe
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DèJàVu all over again

MOO

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[zencompass]

Dear @MizStery,

Thank you for this interesting post!

 

[zencompass]

It only takes one person. One. Apparently, all of the info about BG and the new sketch has not yet reached that one person, for whatever reason. I don't think we can suppose that everyone, everywhere, is interested in, or on electronic gadgets or interested/spends time on social media. MOOO until the cows come home.

It is time for the cows to come home.

May this week be the week that L.E. has built up their case so airtight - that they arrest B.G. !

Justice for Libby and Abby

 

[Jabarn]

Tonight at 11pm EST on the ID channel “Still A Mystery” this covers Libby, Abby & Dylan Redwine.
Investigation Discovery TV Schedule | Watch Now for FREE!
Many thanks @SCHMAE for posting the info on Dylan’s thread

www.abbyandlibby.org

The link above is shared on an article about the Abby and Libby on the ID website. It’s probably been shared here before, but wanted to reshare.

I looked through it and found happy moments of both the girls and their families prior to the murders. It’s a reminder to me about the lives these girls led, and the families who miss them before this killer decided to end them.

Take a look... it’s peaceful and sad. A reminder, in a way, of how important it is to keep thinking and why Carter and the rest of the investigators can’t let go, never give up.

 

[ScumbagTrav]

For anyone that missed it, ID is re-airing "Still A Mystery" episode on the Delphi murders tonight at 11pm est

 

[mtnlites]

Hi ab01, as I read your comments I went,Wow,I know I have read something similar to that somewhere? Pow, then I remembered March 14,2017 Carroll County Prosecutor Ives made an eerily similar statement.

I go back before DNA and cell phones,” said Ives who remembered prosecuting criminal cases in Carroll County with less evidence than in this case since 1987, “and I certainly would have said, if experienced investigators, as we have in this case, had the evidence that was available in this case, I would expect them to solve it within a month. That’s without DNA and cell phones which are a big part of what’s going on here.
“No arrest is imminent,” he said. “No case is close to being developed.”
Prosecutor says cops likely have met Delphi killer or received crucial tip due to scope of probe
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DèJàVu all over again

MOO

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Here's something that stood out to me in that article (and it seems like to you as well):

Investigators are anxiously awaiting full DNA test results being compiled by FBI forensic analysts.

“I go back before DNA and cell phones,” said Ives who remembered prosecuting criminal cases in Carroll County with less evidence than in this case since 1987, “and I certainly would have said, if experienced investigators, as we have in this case, had the evidence that was available in this case, I would expect them to solve it within a month. That’s without DNA and cell phones which are a big part of what’s going on here.

If they're awaiting DNA test results and claim that DNA is "a big part of what's going on" then it certainly sounds like they have SOME kind of DNA to work with. I guess the question is how good is the quality of the DNA they have and is actually from the murderer?

 

[ab01]

I don’t think LE was shocked that no one has called BG in. Surprised maybe, but not shocked. The still/video are more than grainy, there doesn’t appear to be anything really distinctive about BGs voice - it’s somewhat generic, BG isn’t stating anything that really stands out, and eye witness accounts can be questionable. JMO

Nah I think however we phrase it shocked, surprised, alrmed, dumbfounded, puzzled etc etc

I think they were extremely confident that there are mannerisims, stature, manner of dress etc etc coupled with voice audio(not generic to someone that knows and has heard and is familiar with it). Couple that with someone that likely knows BG routine and or possible connection to that specific location.

I think they felt like the witness sketch was an added feature that may or may not aid an individual in helping them to be positive of their possible assumptions. Unreliable sure, helpful when coupled with all the other visual evidence absolutely

All these things individually mean very little to you and I, but to someone who knows BG it should have been sending off alarm bells

I truly think they believed and or believe it and so do I

Thats why I believe investigators have probably been a bit puzzled at certain points during this case

And Well so am I

JMO

 

[Jabarn]

When Carter mentioned it I thought it was weird, but had no clue what he was talking about (had to Google it). Then I stumbled upon Renner’s interviews a couple of weeks ago and KG was talking about it too. Is it something? IDK. I just thought it was weird and hadn’t seen it mentioned on here before, but I do miss some things.

I really like his interviews. I especially liked the one with AW. I haven’t heard her speak much and the way she speaks as a mother reminds me of me. Quite a few questions that I’ve had regarding the case in general have been answered based on his interviews.

I don’t know. For me, the Renner interviews with Kelsi were interesting, despite the 360 angle of his camera which I don’t have the app to watch that way and have to look at Kelsi on one side and Renner on the other with the background of the restaurant in the middle. She is very brave. I learned so much about the case, especially that a group of teens were around the trailhead that day. Check Renner out, if you haven’t already.

 

[Boxer]

Hi ab01, as I read your comments I went,Wow,I know I have read something similar to that somewhere? Pow, then I remembered March 14,2017 Carroll County Prosecutor Ives made an eerily similar statement.

I go back before DNA and cell phones,” said Ives who remembered prosecuting criminal cases in Carroll County with less evidence than in this case since 1987, “and I certainly would have said, if experienced investigators, as we have in this case, had the evidence that was available in this case, I would expect them to solve it within a month. That’s without DNA and cell phones which are a big part of what’s going on here.
“No arrest is imminent,” he said. “No case is close to being developed.”
LINK
Prosecutor says cops likely have met Delphi killer or received crucial tip due to scope of probe
​

DèJàVu all over again

MOO

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MOO if you are looking for the wrong person the it will never be solved.

Apparently, the killer "sold" his disguise to everyone including the police: so the police and the the public were searching for an older man that looks like he works in manufacturing, machining or processing, possibly even homeless.

One person however noticed the right BG suspect the old fashioned way, noticing the man was acting suspiciously.
And that witness provided the details for the undisguised BG, YBG. A sketch that looks like a typical young man from the greater Delphi farming area.

A big difference.

As for DC hedging about sketches, I don't know, I think he is totally on board with the new sketch. Probably getting a lot blow back for the bold change of direction. I would be interested in what Ives has to say about it.

 

[Charlot123]

Here's something that stood out to me in that article (and it seems like to you as well):



If they're awaiting DNA test results and claim that DNA is "a big part of what's going on" then it certainly sounds like they have SOME kind of DNA to work with. I guess the question is how good is the quality of the DNA they have and is actually from the murderer?

That was 2 years ago. So, something did not work out, or was messed up Because there was DNA, and suddenly, no DNA?

Maybe they should release more info to the public if something did not work out?

MOO

ETA: this interview, a year ago, I assume. Around 2:08 DC says, "it includes DNA".

What happened to DNA?

 

[ab01]

That was 2 years ago. So, something did not work out, or was messed up Because there was DNA, and suddenly, no DNA?

Maybe they should release more info to the public if something did not work out?

MOO

It could be possible that the DNA they have, likely taken from various places from the crimes scene and or surrounding area turned out to be not from an unkown male (IE the killer)

That would be of no fault of investigators

I'm not sure what more info they could feasibly release that would help identify BG

I think if such information existed it would have already been released

After all that is their ultimate goal

To identify BG and arrest him

 

[Boxer]

That was 2 years ago. So, something did not work out, or was messed up Because there was DNA, and suddenly, no DNA?

Maybe they should release more info to the public if something did not work out?

MOO

DNA that isn't already in CODIS needs the public to turn in people to test it against. Family tree DNA searches don't always work out. But they probably haven't entirely given up on DNA yet.

How are they eliminating suspects
so quickly without at least some form
of DNA or fingerprint?

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

I wonder if it came from a FB post. But anybody can write whatever they want to attract attention whether their identity or story is true or not. The media often quotes FB posts and then edits their online reports if need be.

I distinctly recall it mentioned no one saw Libby or Abby on the trail but I can’t find a source for that either. But the reason I remember it was because of discussion here as well. Had it not been for Libby taking photos and videos, as no one seen them, then the investigation may not been able to determine their presence on the bridge where the murderer’s “criminal act” first began.

So even though LE hasn’t yet got that “one tip” I think Libby indeed was a hero in helping LE understand exactly what happened in preparation for a future trial.

Hi MistyWaters,

I’m still back on pg 21, and don’t know if this has been addressed, but the dog walker info was in an MSM article and many, many threads ago, when another poster and I went back to find it not long after it was originally posted, the “dog walker” info was edited out of the article. This lead me to believe MOO that LE requested the reference to what the witness was doing when BG was seen be retracted. MOO. It had been referred to in MSM, but then it disappeared. Can we discuss it? I don’t know.

MOO. There are probably a lot of little things like this (ie dog walker info) that LE knows that we don’t know about at all or can’t verify since the link is dead or info has been removed. MOO.

RIP M+J

 

[Angelcat13]

I know I've been a broken record about this but, yes. It was a HUGE movie. I live in a tiny town without a cinema but in the next county over we have a Regal with 16 screens and THE SHACK sold out 8 of them for 2 nights in a row. It is one of the highest grossing Christian movies that has EVER been released. Ever. It may even be the highest now. I haven't checked. That dang movie was everywhere. I had to put people on my Facebook feed on "ignore" because, frankly, I got tired of hearing about it.

It was big in Delphi, too. I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt, but my people in Delphi were loading up to go and see it, too. Not only was it a Christian movie, but it was a double whammy for starring Tim McGraw. If it had aired on the Hallmark Channel then it would've made the trifecta of feel-good message movies.

It’s interesting how things can be so different in different areas of the country. I’m in South Jersey and never even heard of this movie until the PC.

 

[Charlot123]

DNA that isn't already in CODIS needs the public to turn in people to test it against. Family tree DNA searches don't always work out. But they probably haven't entirely given up on DNA yet.

How are they eliminating suspects
so quickly without at least some form
of DNA or fingerprint?

I can imagine the situation when they have "some form" of DNA that can be used to eliminate "certain" suspects; it probably already ruled someone in, but it is not enough for criminology. I hope that they have more than that.

 

[ab01]

DNA that isn't already in CODIS needs the public to turn in people to test it against. Family tree DNA searches don't always work out. But they probably haven't entirely given up on DNA yet.

How are they eliminating suspects
so quickly without at least some form
of DNA or fingerprint?

The only suspects i have seen them eliminate publicly are those that have been arrested for other crimes

Im sure there are various ways that they have eliminated them, As they likely knew many details about those specific individuals

They may very well have eliminated them based on DNA, IDK

They may also have been or still are collecting DNA from potential POI's to use at point when they may possibly uncover DNA of an unkown male on evidence that was missed or is still undergoing testing.

I believe they have tested things for DNA from the crime scene

I'm not 100 percent convinced that they have the killers DNA

I'm hopeful that they do, but I wouldn't bet my Farm on it

 

[ab01]

I can imagine the situation when they have "some form" of DNA that can be used to eliminate "certain" suspects; it probably already ruled someone in, but it is not enough for criminology. I hope that they have more than that.

It would not surprise me if they had a partial DNA that could be used to specifically rule people out

JMO

ETA

 

[ab01]

*program alert "Still a Mystery" on Investigation discovery on the Delphi Murders

Airing now

 

[Boxer]

The only suspects i have seen them eliminate publicly are those that have been arrested for other crimes

Im sure there are various ways that they have eliminated them, As they likely knew many details about those specific individuals

They may very well have eliminated them based on DNA, IDK

They may also have been or still are collecting DNA from potential POI's to use at point when they may possibly uncover DNA of an unkown male on evidence that was missed or is still undergoing testing.

I believe they have tested things for DNA from the crime scene

I'm not 100 percent convinced that they have the killers DNA

I'm hopeful that they do, but I wouldn't bet my Farm on it

Right after the 4/22 PC police stated they followed up with about 1000 individuals so far and have few dozen left to process. Some of the 1000 must have been asked to give a DNA sample.

During the recent allowed DC Youtube interview, the interviewer asked DC if they have DNA, DC said he could not answer that. The interviewer went on and said a "lead detective said there was DNA."
Carter was strong in asking who had said that. The interviewer said it was early on in the case, and DC relaxed, I supposed remembering that instance of early slip in the security of the case details.