Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #123

[Charlot123]

I’m probably wrong here but I don’t recall LE ever saying they have the perpetrator’s DNA. They have talked up and down, and sideways, and all around about DNA. They have, in my opinion, gone out of their way to avoid talking about DNA. They certainly said they have DNA from the crime scene but that could be the victim’s, family’s, friend’s, searcher’s, random people. Probably all touch DNA which is pretty useless. Could be from someone they brushed up against at the grocery store. I’m sure they have DNA that is unidentified. Is it the killer’s. I don’t know. I don’t think they know. They’ve gotten swabs from people, but what are they comparing it to? I just can’t think that the DNA is worth anything to the prosecution of this case. I think it is more of a hope than a fact.
I also think that if LE had useable, important, undeniably the killer’s DNA they would have already been processing those rape kits. They could find the money. Surely the FBI has deep pockets. Plus they would be helping other cases too, not just this one.
I, like a said, probably stand alone on this, but I don’t think the DNA is worth much in this case. Just my opinion.

Here. DNA mixtures have been processed, and Parabon has done the same, too.
New Genetic Genealogy Technique Can Separate DNA Mixtures

I think DNA exists.

 

[Wells]

Sadly theres not a whole lot to go on in terms of what is released to the public.

Appearently theres a good deal more info that police are sitting on and to try to analyze this case, without pertinent info would aquait to nothing more than an educated guess

Without certain questions answered such as sexual assault indication (which is also usually the case), Cause of death, forensic findings etc.. its purely speculative .

But some things to ponder that I would if I were working this case,

Id want a victimology assessment done on the girls for reasons Ill explain later

The manner of death is unknown at this time, in order to wean out false claims, i have a feeling I know how they were killed, but I wont elaborate until LE releases it

I agree with the FBI that the individual most likely lives in the Delphi area, id even venture to say possibly in the area of the park itself they usually do

So please take this as such , But to give perhaps a different spin

If i were investigating this , My first question : How did the offender initially come into contact with the victims?

Delphi Indiana has a crime rate equal to most other areas Delphi has an overall crime rate of 15 per 1,000 residents, making the crime rate here near the average for all cities and towns of all sizes in America. According to our analysis of FBI crime data, your chance of becoming a victim of crime in Delphi is 1 in 69. (Delphi Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout.)

With a population of 2882 in (2017) The area averages only around 5 violent crimes in any given year. Which indicates crimes more along the lines of theft and property crimes,

Hoever the odds of one becoming a victim of a crime in Delphi is roughly 1 in 578 pere 2020 data (Delphi Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout.)

Without knowing anything about the victims background its tough to assess things like risk taking behaviors by the girls, I can say they were walking across a bridge the looked pretty high with no safety rail but I cant say for sure, without a real assessment.

However the girls parents seemed fine with the girls going off on their own , at 1:30 pm approx indicating at least a palpable sense of comfort and safety in allowing the girls to go alone on their day off from school (It was a thursday I believe). This may have been furthered by the knowledge that the girls had a cell phone with them and would be picked up approx 2 hours after.

I cant say whether or not their parents knew there was such a bridge there but then again im not sure how high were talking , but it looked like a potential fatal fall in the pictures I saw , nonetheless

In this case, there are 3 possibilities and each one has a different possibility of what type of indivdual may be responsible

1) He was there for a legitimate reason and of his own accord and simply came upon the girls by chance , MOST cases of abduction homicides of children are exactly that, wherein the victims are merely victims of opportunity.

2) He observed the girls from some vantage point at some time and decided to follow them, this could be simply walking by, living near the area.

3) He knew they would be there, or knew they were there

If we look at scenario 1), in which the offender was there on his own , and came across the girls by chance you have to ask what he was doing there?, in most cases, of child abduction murder, the offender lives/works nearby, is in the area for what is a "Legit reason" he may traverse that area , but he usually lives and or works in the area .

They usually comes upon his (I Use the male indication here because the overwhelming majority are) victims by chance. the only thing that makes someone his chosen victim, is that they are alone.

Physical attributes with these type offenses usually contribute little to the victim selection process.

In terms of risk it was extremely high risk for the offender to accost 2 victims without knowing who may have been in the around unless he knew he'd be able to control more than one, that indicates not only that the offender had some level of comfort in the area, but he had some way to institute control over more than 1 person (Weapon , or possibly a sign of authority such as badge) .

This is where the victimology assessment is invaluable , were the girls such that fear by simply a show of aggression by an adult male would cause them to go with a stranger,were they the overly trusting type(s) who would beleive a ruse to get them to follow someone they didnt know? (this is equally important), what about someone they mightve known? would they go with a local they perhaps knew (or knew of)somewhat ?

If so that changes things around a lot.

If not then we have to assume he had a weapon and or some manner restrainting device on him which changes the profile of the type of individual involved yet again

Its been my feeling that simce this occurred that the individual had a weapon, though I cant say for sure, but to control 2 adolescent girls in an area where they may scream and attract attention he either forced them to walk under threat of violence, they went willingly with him because he knew them or perhaps he identified himself as a position of authority.

But to murder 2 girls when one may run during , lends me to beleive he either restrained them, or he incapacitated one to assault another then killed her too .

The shortest route between where its estimates they were last seen and where they are found seems to indicate about .5 milesm, and at some point they possibly walked through water. Or through dry ares in the creek bed.

Again "hey guys follow me down the hill" or "go down the hill" could have different meanings

Investigative considerations : Was there any similar crimes in that area? anyone suspicious in the area? any reports of anyone being followed ?

Did he lure them there then spring it on them once they were where he felt he could ?, or did he walk up to them and force them someplace he felt safe under threat?

Another possibility is false ID,

Producing a weapon or form of ID (Law enforcement) or both is another possibility.

The issue there is you have to get 2 scared girls half a mile away , and runs the chance of one or both of the victims at some point screaming for help, and theres a chance they did, but thats a HUGE risk for the offender.

Its by no means out of the range of possibility and is about 50/50 in this case, that is what he did, fear is a powerful motivator.

However "you guys wanna see something cool?" or "Police officer I need you guys to come with me " Its also possible.

The motive for this type of case is usually overwhelmingly sexual, the manner of death could shed a little more light onit better, but speaking in terms of statistics, its usually a landslide .

The offenders in these type of cases, are usually around 27-35 years of age at the time of offense , time incarcerated can alter that however. The individual is usually unemployed, or underemployed at the time of offense , though in most abduction murders of kids, triggering factors play a minimal , almost non existent role, the abduction and murder of 2 girls in a public place, albeit wooded and secluded, lends me to beleive there was some precipitating stress, beforehand.

These individuals are usually well known oddballs in the community they are loners, with few friends, sometimes labelled as "Social Marginals" .

They will have a history of failed relationships, often some established criminal history, and have often already been investigated by police.

They may interject themselves into the investigation by some means, and will often follow (usually to an obvious level ) the crime in the media

(investigative consideration: Sudden intense and unusual intertest in a case, in which their time during cannot be acounted for, and odd ever changing behavior following , changes in appearence, weight , appetite, general anxiety, sudden illness, increased use of intoxicants, sleep issues, destroying hiding items of clothes, altering or getting rid of a vehicle interior or exterior)

In many cases, they are suspected to some extent by people around them, but its never brought out for some reason or another.

One thing Im failrly certain of is that the murder scene and the recovery site are likely the same . Indicating a great level of comfort in that area where they were recovered. They recovery sites are usually the most familiar to the offender.

Because double murderers don't usually just pop up (thankfully) this individual almost CERTAINLY has a criminal past of some sort, which as some point in his life most likely involves sexual crimes and young females.

Theres often several unexpected moves to new residences, throughout his life, in most cases, 1 within 12 months prior to the offense.

Most of them work in blue collar Labor type industries, most often construction type jobs. they usually Live with parents or to a lesser extent a a significant other.

Whether or not the victims were bound would be another extremely important factor for 2 reasons
1) It indicated planning and forethought
2) Binding of child sexual murder victims is often a trait seen in repeat offenders (IE Serial killers)

If they were id venture to think it was something like handcuffs that he could hide on his person, but this also means the offender is a different type of offender than the guy who just happens upon the victims making his daily rounds.

I will refrain from speaking on manner of death as LE is keeping it under wraps, and there are to many possibilites that would lead us to pure speculation

Once hes commited the offense he needs to get out of the area, unseen , the maps shown show few residences in the area so its possble he had a vehicle nearby, or he knew a way out where he wouldnt be seen which indicatesd further 2 things,

1) familiarity with the area
2) Lives, close.

As I said earlier thers a thirs possibility of how he came into contact with the 2 girls , He either knew they would be there, or knew they were there.

How?

Did the girls disclose to anyone they were going that day?, we cant know for sure, but one thing we do know is that Libby did post a photo showing her friend with literally not a soul in sight behind her in instagram. For a sexually deviant offender who lives nearby who perhaps follows her account that may've been like ringing the dinner bell . todays investigators have to scrutinize things such as media accounts because as we know all to well lives have been lost because of it.

In the picture where we see Abby standing on the bridge, we dont see anyone else approaching (that I can tell) , ther eare dark shapes but none appear to be human.

Then within perhaps 30 min the offender appears and walks up to them and theyre gone to their fate.

Another thing , I wouldnt make much of his gait the way he walks is hindered by the fact hes steping on the railroad ties. But SOMEONE knows someone who looks like him and cant account for his time that day, even if he can.

Its a long shot, but it cant be ruled out given what info we have from the media .

Hope this opens up a few new possibilities for those following

thanks

Have you read up on this case?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Here. DNA mixtures have been processed, and Parabon has done the same, too.
New Genetic Genealogy Technique Can Separate DNA Mixtures

I think DNA exists.

I also think they have DNA. I know techniques exist to separate mixtures of DNA and feel certain the DNA at the crime scene has been sorted out by now. I just believe all they have is touch DNA, but nothing that they can definitively say “ this is the killer’s DNA. We collected it from places only the killer’s DNA would be”. So if they get a match on some of the unknown DNA, how do they know if it’s the killer or somebody they brushed up against in the produce aisle at the grocery store. I think DNA exists. I do not think it is the key to solving this case. I also hope I’m wrong.

 

[Kell1]

Have you read up on this case?

only whats in the media

 

[Kell1]

Thank you for taking the time to do some research, and provide your thoughts. I hope you'll stick around on Abby and Libby's thread. Your expertise will be invaluable when an arrest is made.

The victimology assessment is one of the most important aspects in solving a murder case. I'm glad you addressed it in your post. If only we knew the answers to some of the points you made.....

I think your profile of the perpetrator was especially intriguing. Some of the characteristics you mentioned (numerous unexpected moves), were not something I had really given a lot of thought to. If you believe the perpetrator is local, and felt comfortable in the spot where the murder took place, do you believe he had several unexpected moves within the general Delphi area? Maybe a family split (divorce?) within his family, and he was forced to go back and forth? Perhaps one of the parents moved frequently and he never felt he had a stable place to call home?

One final question, if I may?
What are your thoughts on LE releasing two POI sketches that differ greatly in age and looks? Does your experience lead you to believe there is only one offender (and one sketch was completely wrong), or there is a possibility there are two offenders? TIA for addressing my questions (if you are able). Your expertise is greatly appreciated!

Its possbile he did, but usually they move considerable distances, away, they sometimes return to the areas they know but in many cases, what happens is , that they commit a crime, they get caught, from there they serve time, are under some form of supervision, or are aquitted, so either the people around them dont want them around, especially if what they did was "icky" or they figure, theythemselves want to get away from the scrutiny they are going to face so they leave. In the "old days" if you caught someone doing something sexual in nature, they sent them "somewhere" could be to live with grandparents, could be a cousin etc..

However, since, what were dealing with is pathological its not long before theyre back at it , then the process repeats itself. Especially once they fall into similar situations which they almost always do, then the scene is ripe for re-offending.

Unfortunately its impossible to render a true Psycholigical profile without certain items so again this is all speculative, but we can give a general profile of a few types that do these things.

In terms of the sketches, I think LE is doing its best, the video is really bad, its taken from a distance, that looks like it was zoomed in on an device, without the best camera. Its hard to do , you cant tell if he has on a hat , or is that his hair? , thats why they are saying its "somewhere in between" the 2

Though that is certainly a suspect, that needs to be questioned, you cant lose sight of the fact that the individual in the video may have absolutely nothing to do with their murder, but until we find him, talk to him and eliminate him "he" is the best link we have.. I beleive he does. It was just too coincidental.

I beleive were dealing with a lone offender, im not certain how he initially made contact with the victims, whether or not he was just out and came upon them, or if he saw them being dropped off, or if he knew they were going that day, or was following Libbys social media and decided to go for a walk once he saw 2 girls all alone.

But Im sure that it was sexually motivated, that the individual in question has a criminal history that most lilely involves, to some degree, sexual offenses, possily with young girls, I feel pretty confident something set him off in the days or weeks prior. Im thinking possibly a loss of employment, or an argument but again that could be wrong I dont have info to guide me there.

However, one thing not to ignore is theres a reason that individual is there on the same day off the girls are off from school, he may work at a school, he may work at their school , he may work nights, he may be out of work, but suddenly appearing at 2:30 on a thursday afternoon in the area where 2 girls are all alnoe and commit double murder seems a little bit too coincidental .

The use of the term "guys" in and of itself seems pretty intersting, that seems to indicate atleast a general familiarity with kids, thats a general term you see coaches, teachers, etc.. use. that leans me more toward the use of a ruse. if it were more demanding "go down the hill !" i think were dealing with a forced, move.

The individual would need to account for his time that day in most cases, unless he didnt have to because he wasnt working, but SOMEONE knows he was out during that time, and again, I think SOMEONE probably suspects him, but just hasnt come forward or hasnt put 2 and 2 together.

His presence obviously botherd the girls hence the video and audio, but not enough for them to flee, but without knowing what the girls would've done when approached by a stranger, its speculation at best.

 

[IminSyd]

Just thinking , the sketches are not actual people, they are a recreation of someone’s (a witness) memory. It’s possible LE have no idea if the witnesses are describing two different people or the same person (somewhere in between).

 

[Yemelyan]

@Kell1 Thank you for bringing your expertise here! I always learn so much when I read your posts. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the idea of personation among offenders like these. The DA in the case has said that there were "two or possibly three signatures" and the crime scene was physically odd.

This is JMO as we have not been told for obvious reasons but I think there were elements of restraint/bindings. I think the ruse he used was to present himself as an authority figure and tell them they were not allowed to be on the bridge (truthfully, they were not supposed to be, as it is private property). And in that manner he took control of them. Stretching back further into the encounter, it's possible that he first saw that they were alone if he observed them being dropped off in the parking area by a family member. It appears there were other potential targets in the park that day but I think these were the only two he found alone enough to do what he wanted to do.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Great posts!

I don’t think the girls ended up walking on the bridge in that remote location by happenstance. I think it was a predetermined meeting spot.
Well planned ahead. Nothing about this murder seems random to me.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[JDough]

Its possbile he did, but usually they move considerable distances, away, they sometimes return to the areas they know but in many cases, what happens is , that they commit a crime, they get caught, from there they serve time, are under some form of supervision, or are aquitted, so either the people around them dont want them around, especially if what they did was "icky" or they figure, theythemselves want to get away from the scrutiny they are going to face so they leave. In the "old days" if you caught someone doing something sexual in nature, they sent them "somewhere" could be to live with grandparents, could be a cousin etc..

However, since, what were dealing with is pathological its not long before theyre back at it , then the process repeats itself. Especially once they fall into similar situations which they almost always do, then the scene is ripe for re-offending.

Unfortunately its impossible to render a true Psycholigical profile without certain items so again this is all speculative, but we can give a general profile of a few types that do these things.

In terms of the sketches, I think LE is doing its best, the video is really bad, its taken from a distance, that looks like it was zoomed in on an device, without the best camera. Its hard to do , you cant tell if he has on a hat , or is that his hair? , thats why they are saying its "somewhere in between" the 2

Though that is certainly a suspect, that needs to be questioned, you cant lose sight of the fact that the individual in the video may have absolutely nothing to do with their murder, but until we find him, talk to him and eliminate him "he" is the best link we have.. I beleive he does. It was just too coincidental.

I beleive were dealing with a lone offender, im not certain how he initially made contact with the victims, whether or not he was just out and came upon them, or if he saw them being dropped off, or if he knew they were going that day, or was following Libbys social media and decided to go for a walk once he saw 2 girls all alone.

But Im sure that it was sexually motivated, that the individual in question has a criminal history that most lilely involves, to some degree, sexual offenses, possily with young girls, I feel pretty confident something set him off in the days or weeks prior. Im thinking possibly a loss of employment, or an argument but again that could be wrong I dont have info to guide me there.

However, one thing not to ignore is theres a reason that individual is there on the same day off the girls are off from school, he may work at a school, he may work at their school , he may work nights, he may be out of work, but suddenly appearing at 2:30 on a thursday afternoon in the area where 2 girls are all alnoe and commit double murder seems a little bit too coincidental .

The use of the term "guys" in and of itself seems pretty intersting, that seems to indicate atleast a general familiarity with kids, thats a general term you see coaches, teachers, etc.. use. that leans me more toward the use of a ruse. if it were more demanding "go down the hill !" i think were dealing with a forced, move.

The individual would need to account for his time that day in most cases, unless he didnt have to because he wasnt working, but SOMEONE knows he was out during that time, and again, I think SOMEONE probably suspects him, but just hasnt come forward or hasnt put 2 and 2 together.

His presence obviously botherd the girls hence the video and audio, but not enough for them to flee, but without knowing what the girls would've done when approached by a stranger, its speculation at best.

Thank you so much for your response. I have often pondered the one perpetrator or two. Your thoughts on the matter make complete sense.

I also believe BG will have some sort of sexually motivated crimes in his past. Perhaps, even, as a juvenile. I have to wonder if these were crimes that he was never charged for. As a result, I have done extensive research on sexually motivated crimes (within 60 mile radius), that remain unsolved. Hope LE is making great progress testing back-logged rape kits.

I think most of us here agree that BG has some type of familiarity with children/teens, thus the term "Guys". Teacher, janitor, volunteer, LE/school resource officer, bus driver, coach/someone who was involved in running sports camp or extra curricular program, youth minister? LE's statement that the community will be shocked when an arrest is made, makes our minds wonder to the numerous possibilities. As you noted, going to MHB on a day there was no school is quite suspicious- especially because it (at the time), was known as a local hang-out for teens. I firmly believe there is the possibility that he was there on Friday (another day schools were closed), hunting for victims. The right opportunity just never presented itself. So scary to know someone like this is potentially lurking where our children might be.

 

[MistyWaters]

Just thinking , the sketches are not actual people, they are a recreation of someone’s (a witness) memory. It’s possible LE have no idea if the witnesses are describing two different people or the same person (somewhere in between).

The reason I’m sceptical about either of these sketches is because the girls were only considered missing throughout the afternoon and evening of the 13th. LE indicated it wasn’t believed foul play was involved and it appears the entire community was aware of the disappearance and many volunteered to assist with the search on the trails and throughout the town. So that tells me nobody contacted police immediately with information about a suspicious looking man, lurking, dripping wet, bloody or creepy, otherwise foul play in their disappearance might’ve been suspected.

Only a day later, after their bodies were found did this become a murder case. I can just imagine everybody suddenly thinking back to the previous day, did they see the killer? A day or more memory of the face of a stranger is far murkier than the memory of somebody sighted in the past hour.

In addition, I wonder if these witnesses were local because they probably would’ve known the majority of people they crossed paths with that day. If so somebody who they didn’t recognize might’ve attracted their attention. But if they were non-local, they’d wouldn’t recognize anyone. Considering the time lag, there’s a good chance they observed many different faces and therefore the accuracy of specific recall of any one person might be highly questionable.

I’ve always thought it curious how LE heavily promoted both of the sketches as The Suspect but not any other identifying information including where and when the supposed sightings were made. That’s unusual to me. For example it’s common during an investigation for police to issue a release of a sketch referred to as a Person of Interest who was sighted at appx (time) at (location), LE would like this person to come forward or the public’s assistance in identifying him in regards to information pertaining to the homicide investigation of ____, yada, yada. But they didn’t do that. Instead now, three years later, LE isn’t appearing as confident either of the sketches depict the only person they’ve ever identified as a suspect - the unknown man whom Libby captured via her cellphone video.

JMO

 

[Kell1]

Great posts!

I don’t think the girls ended up walking on the bridge in that remote location by happenstance. I think it was a predetermined meeting spot.
Well planned ahead. Nothing about this murder seems random to me.

amateur opinion and speculation

Ive considered that myself that they mightve been there TO meet someone whether they knew it was an adult male or not

 

[TheVisual]

Kell1 said: However, one thing not to ignore is theres a reason that individual is there on the same day off the girls are off from school, he may work at a school, he may work at their school , he may work nights, he may be out of work, but suddenly appearing at 2:30 on a thursday afternoon in the area where 2 girls are all alnoe and commit double murder seems a little bit too coincidental .

Slight correction to your great post. The girls were murdered on Monday(Feb. 13th) and found on the 14th.(Tuesday) , not Thursday.

 

[Betty P]

Great to see Kell1 offering a summary for this terribly sad case.

I agree it was likely someone who either lived nearby or had a car parked very close to the retrieval scene. Many here have long wondered how a killer, dripping wet, muddy and possibly bloody, was able to climb out of the creek bottom and escape unnoticed. That would be difficult for someone to do if they weren't familiar with the area. I also believe they chose the crime scene carefully because it was just far enough out of sight from the bridge, hiking trail and nearby homes.

Previous criminal sexual activity could also be events that weren't reported to LE or not taken seriously. So many of these criminals began as peeping toms, volunteering to babysit little kids, behaving in a creepy way that might make an adult suspicious, but not enough to make a formal complaint to LE. JMO, the killer is local, as in from the general region and someone knows who he is. It also seems LE knows who it is, judging from some of their most recent press events and interviews.

Great work, as always Kell1!

 

[Blue Amethyst]

I have always waffled whether or not BG was a complete stranger or someone from Delphi or vicinity. I grew up in a small town and although I knew the kids I went to school with, I did not know their parents. I only knew the parents of close friends.

So he could have been from Delphi and the girls not know who he was. If you didn’t attend church or other functions, and only attended school functions, you might not ever see the other people. Or you might see other people and still not know who they were by name.

 

[Betty P]

I have always waffled whether or not BG was a complete stranger or someone from Delphi or vicinity. I grew up in a small town and although I knew the kids I went to school with, I did not know their parents. I only knew the parents of close friends.

So he could have been from Delphi and the girls not know who he was. If you didn’t attend church or other functions, and only attended school functions, you might not ever see the other people. Or you might see other people and still not know who they were by name.

One example that may be similar to these murders is that of Daniel Heinrich, the man who abducted and murdered Jacob Wetterling. He lived in a small town not far from Jacob Wetterling's home, in the next county. He apparently spent a lot of time cruising around the towns in that region, trying to kidnap young boys, chasing them in his car, etc.

Murder of Jacob Wetterling - Wikipedia

In rural areas, where there are lots of small towns, people socialize, do business, work, go to church, attend schools, etc. in other towns and cities in the surrounding area. That's the nature of rural life - not everything you need to access is in your town. So when LE looks at any web of people connected to Abby & Libby, they're going to be looking at people who live all around the area, not just in Delphi.

If the killer didn't know them personally, he's still most likely to be somewhere in the region, based on his familiarity with the remote area where the girls were found. Maybe he had friends who lived nearby and visited the bridge area to go hunting or camping.

 

[Justice101]

Following.

I'd just like to look again at the main facts of the case. The facts will tell you where to look for the answers.

1) Girls are murdered and left in a low lying bowl of land that would muffle sounds, etc. Not easily seen or accessible from any road or the bridge. (THIS EQUALS KNOWS THE TRAIL AREA AND AROUND VERY WELL).

2) Shaky video and audio is recorded by one of the murdered girls. We have a fuzzy picture and video of the perpetrator and his voice... But nobody has been arrested. (THIS EQUALS KNOWS THE AREA WELL BUT DOES NOT LIVE THERE ANY MORE = POSSIBLE CHILDHOOD/HIGHSCHOOL RESIDENT BACK IN THE 80s) - THIS IS THE MOST STRIKING THING. HOW CAN THEY NOT CATCH SOMEONE THIS SEEN AND HEARD?? - CONCLUSION: GUY BLENDS IN, NO FIRM RESIDENCE, LONG HAUL TRUCK DRIVER WHO SLEEPS IN CAB MUCH OF THE TIME.

3) No 100% proof to the police who did it. (EITHER NO EVIDENCE OR NO DNA MATCH TO ANYONE INCARCERATED = PETTY CRIMINAL AT BEST)

4) What other major facts are there?

 

[TheVisual]

One example that may be similar to these murders is that of Daniel Heinrich, the man who abducted and murdered Jacob Wetterling. He lived in a small town not far from Jacob Wetterling's home, in the next county. He apparently spent a lot of time cruising around the towns in that region, trying to kidnap young boys, chasing them in his car, etc.

Murder of Jacob Wetterling - Wikipedia

In rural areas, where there are lots of small towns, people socialize, do business, work, go to church, attend schools, etc. in other towns and cities in the surrounding area. That's the nature of rural life - not everything you need to access is in your town. So when LE looks at any web of people connected to Abby & Libby, they're going to be looking at people who live all around the area, not just in Delphi.

If the killer didn't know them personally, he's still most likely to be somewhere in the region, based on his familiarity with the remote area where the girls were found. Maybe he had friends who lived nearby and visited the bridge area to go hunting or camping.

Most everyone has to eat either takeout or go grocery shopping.

 

[Kell1]

These offenders dont usually “stand out” but are otherwise well known as “weird” if you asked people around them they describe them as “strange” “odd” most people when asked wouldn't feel comfortable leaving their children around them

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Following.

I'd just like to look again at the main facts of the case. The facts will tell you where to look for the answers.

1) Girls are murdered and left in a low lying bowl of land that would muffle sounds, etc. Not easily seen or accessible from any road or the bridge. (THIS EQUALS KNOWS THE TRAIL AREA AND AROUND VERY WELL).

2) Shaky video and audio is recorded by one of the murdered girls. We have a fuzzy picture and video of the perpetrator and his voice... But nobody has been arrested. (THIS EQUALS KNOWS THE AREA WELL BUT DOES NOT LIVE THERE ANY MORE = POSSIBLE CHILDHOOD/HIGHSCHOOL RESIDENT BACK IN THE 80s) - THIS IS THE MOST STRIKING THING. HOW CAN THEY NOT CATCH SOMEONE THIS SEEN AND HEARD?? - CONCLUSION: GUY BLENDS IN, NO FIRM RESIDENCE, LONG HAUL TRUCK DRIVER WHO SLEEPS IN CAB MUCH OF THE TIME.

3) No 100% proof to the police who did it. (EITHER NO EVIDENCE OR NO DNA MATCH TO ANYONE INCARCERATED = PETTY CRIMINAL AT BEST)

4) What other major facts are there?

Sadly, that’s pretty much all the facts we know about the case.

We could start a list of Secondary Facts that I think would include things like:
1) LE retrieved a pair of boots from the packing plant days after the murders
2) A search warrant was served on a house on Bicycle Rd days after the murders
Etc

 

[rosesfromangels]

These offenders dont usually “stand out” but are otherwise well known as “weird” if you asked people around them they describe them as “strange” “odd” most people when asked wouldn't feel comfortable leaving their children around them

I know what you are suggesting is true; I think we can all think of people who just make us uneasy, real uneasy.

So, given that Delphi and the surrounding area are small and rural, wouldn't you think they would have a list of known oddballs by now? Wouldn't they have captured their DNA one way or another and tested it by now?

Maybe there aren't enough resources to do this, or perhaps people aren't coming forward to call out oddballs, or both, or?

Amateur opinion and speculation