Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #135

[Doghairrules]

I was more or less feeling this way, but why did LE give Kelsi such discouraging feedback? She might have said, well, they’re telling us that we need to be patient, of course, while they do a very thorough investigation, etc. but instead it seems they basically gave her very unencouraging feedback?

just to clarify, I don’t think this was a long drawn out conversation. She said “the little she’s heard has not been encouraging.” There is some room for interpretation there. It may mean that they don’t think it’s him for some reason. Or it may be a way to protect themselves and the families from
Being disappointed again. I don’t know, but I do know how badly they want to solve this case. So it may be a matter of setting low expectations.

 

[Doghairrules]

I read this as an announcement.

Doghairrules said: ↑
Kelsi said she doesn't mind if people keep talking about this, but she just wants everyone to be responsible and not spread rumors such as that JBC is going to be arrested soon, there will be a press conference later today, LE has named him a suspect in the case.

definitely not an announcement. Those are rumors she said she’s heard that were not true and yet were constantly in her and the families’ faces. She doesn’t want us to say those things unless and until it comes from the mouths of LE.

 

[Doghairrules]

an etc. at the end of the sentence would have capped off the examples of what Kelsi doesn't wish us to do.

it's simply a mis-read on my part.

you are right and I am so sorry for the misunderstanding. I was typing super fast trying to get as much of what she was saying as possible.

 

[Doghairrules]

If I go back in the way back machine...I was 100 percent certain on DN. his alibi was shaky at best.

what is different here ? Chadwell seems like a much tighter fit. he gets caught being insanely violent...but has gotten away with his sadistic behavior and pedophillia for years , obviously with no one coming forward . I think some of his victims didn't live to tell.

mOO.

i am very surprised no one other than two family members has spoken out about him. Between that and the lack of information about the search of his house, it seems like there is a fairly tight lid on this case. And maybe that’s because they know how badly people want him to be BG. All IMO. And I am definitely one of those people.

 

[SMK777]

believe I read one article referenced on here where a close family relative saw the video of the killer on the bridge and he couldn't say one or another if that was JBC.

Yes, his brother Ashley said that in the Daily Mail article:

Ashley said his brother was living in Kokomo in 2017 when the Delphi girls were murdered.

He said he was bringing up his three children and didn't have time to watch much television so never really saw the famous phone video that Libby had taken of a man saying, 'Guys. Down the hill.'

Even today he says the tape is so short and blurry that he cannot positively identify the suspected killer as his brother.

'But I know he is capable of doing that,' he said.

Possible Delphi murders suspect had a history of violence and drinking, brother reveals | Daily Mail Online

 

[SMK777]

And I am definitely one of those people.

Me, also. Do you still feel it’s possible after what Kelsi said?

 

[Doghairrules]

Me, also. Do you still feel it’s possible after what Kelsi said?

i do but I’m also trying to keep my expectations in check. I do believe that whether JBC is BG or not, the newly focused attention on the Delphi murders will be a good thing in the long run.

 

[JnRyan]

Yes, his brother Ashley said that in the Daily Mail article:

Ashley said his brother was living in Kokomo in 2017 when the Delphi girls were murdered.

He said he was bringing up his three children and didn't have time to watch much television so never really saw the famous phone video that Libby had taken of a man saying, 'Guys. Down the hill.'

Even today he says the tape is so short and blurry that he cannot positively identify the suspected killer as his brother.

'But I know he is capable of doing that,' he said.

Possible Delphi murders suspect had a history of violence and drinking, brother reveals | Daily Mail Online

THANKS! I knew I read that, but I couldn't find it in a Google search.

If JBC is not the killer, it makes me wonder that those closest to the killer probably can't make a connection either. Sort of blows a hole in the "someone knows" theory. I have my doubts that the video, two photos, audio and sketches are going to get us to the murderer. I believe it will be (1) he confesses or brags or uses it as a threat to someone, or (2) he commits another crime and is caught. Note that all of persons who have been announced by LE as 'being looked into' are ones who had just committed a crime.

 

[SMK777]

i do but I’m also trying to keep my expectations in check. I do believe that whether JBC is BG or not, the newly focused attention on the Delphi murders will be a good thing in the long run.

Thanks. True. At the very least, it gave renewed media attention to the case— and I’m sure Kelsi and both families are wise to keep their expectations low unless something definitive occurs. They’ve had their hopes dashed too many times, sadly.

 

[SMK777]

I believe it will be (1) he confesses or brags or uses it as a threat to someone, or (2) he commits another crime and is caught. Note that all of persons who have been announced by LE as 'being looked into' are ones who had just committed a crime.

I’m very much agreed.

The part of your post I bolded above:

I always believed this, which is why my hopes were raised with Chadwell’s arrest for abducting the 9 year old girl.

With so many famous criminals of the past— Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, Gary Ridgway, Randy Kraft— after years of killing undetected, they were finally flushed out into the public eye when they messed up during a crime and were caught.

 

[Barbieshell]

Thanks. True. At the very least, it gave renewed media attention to the case— and I’m sure Kelsi and both families are wise to keep their expectations low unless something definitive occurs. They’ve had their hopes dashed too many times, sadly.

All that we can hope for is that if it isn't JBC the real BG may have discussed the crime recently with others in a way that it could be deemed suspicious and get their spidey senses on edge.
Either way it's been over 4 years now and it worries me that that beast could still be prowling the streets. The two young ladies deserve justice, their families need answers and justice too - we need "the day" to come soon, I have everything crossed.

 

[taylorss]

The lack of urging from LE to the public to continue being vigilant & ready to help if you know or have seen anything, to give them that one missing piece if you can ... that seemed conspicuously absent this time. Or did I just miss it? JMO

maybe BJC has alibi through individual who LE are trying to turn ?

or maybe the killer was actually a different bum in that same location w BJC all JMO

Just speculation on why LE might be acting like it’s solved even if BJC not the guy MOO

 

[SweaterGirl]

I keep coming back to the "one missing piece" and LE saying they just need a name. What signature/evidence/detail could there possibly be that would lead to only one possible person?? I'm just stymied by this.
For example, I thought if it was JBC, perhaps he used leashes, or posed them with leashes. But lots of people have dogs and leashes. Nothing I can think of would lead to only one particular person to the exclusion of all others.
When they say they only need a name...do you think that is more on the nose than it sounds? Do you suppose the killer left his name at the scene, wrote it on the victims, carved it in a tree, dropped something with a name or nickname on it?? I'm thinking just a first name, or a nickname that only people very close to the killer would know he calls himself.
Thoughts??

 

[SMK777]

I keep coming back to the "one missing piece" and LE saying they just need a name. What signature/evidence/detail could there possibly be that would lead to only one possible person?? I'm just stymied by this.
For example, I thought if it was JBC, perhaps he used leashes, or posed them with leashes. But lots of people have dogs and leashes. Nothing I can think of would lead to only one particular person to the exclusion of all others.
When they say they only need a name...do you think that is more on the nose than it sounds? Do you suppose the killer left his name at the scene, wrote it on the victims, carved it in a tree, dropped something with a name or nickname on it?? I'm thinking just a first name, or a nickname that only people very close to the killer would know he calls himself.
Thoughts??

I find it all very perplexing. It makes me wonder if they even meant those things literally, because I, too, wonder how signatures could lead only to one specific person. How so? And to whom?

As far as only needing a name, that would apply only if the name belonged to the killer! If he did as you suggest - say, carved his “John Doe” on a tree, that to me would need to be released to the public, not kept under wraps, in terms of finding him.

With someone like Son of Sam, or Richard Ramirez, the police never said they only needed a name, or one last piece of a puzzle. They needed to find these killers, and in both cases did so really only because citizens saw a crime in progress and called police — and in each case, the crime resembled the series that had been occurring.

This why I keep holding out hope for JBC: His penchant for woods, bridges, train tracks, his living near Delphi, his abduction of a female under age 14 , are “signatures” (using the term loosely, of course) which align with Delphi.

 

[SMK777]

The lack of urging from LE to the public to continue being vigilant & ready to help if you know or have seen anything, to give them that one missing piece if you can ... that seemed conspicuously absent this time. Or did I just miss it? JMO

I took this as a good sign regarding JBC as potential suspect— but really can’t feel good about it unless/until LE would announce that. I wish he would either be ruled out, and back to the drawing board, or proven to be the one. But unfortunately it’s not that simple.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I agree with you that the "one puzzle piece" is a very specific piece of information. IMO LE aren't sitting around waiting for the public to solve this for them by coming up with something they haven't thought of, as some people have alleged; instead, they have particular pieces of evidence that apparently can be linked to a specific person if they can only follow into more information.

See also Sheriff TL's reply to the question "what is that one puzzle piece?"

Our team of trained, experienced, and professional investigators will know that “one piece” when they see it.

Source: County Sheriff answers double homicide questions from readers | Carroll County Comet

I’m thinking that LE biggest problem and the last piece they claim to need is putting a POI in Delphi and at the trails that day. I think that was the issue with Nations, Eldridge, and probably is now with Chadwell. I have come to think that LE has a reasonably short list of suspects, and they are looking for evidence that puts one of them at the trails that day. That is probably very hard. The suspect list might include...like Nations and Chadwell...people who are transient, lack reliable transportation, have no cell phone, don’t use credit/debit cards etc. In other words they are difficult to track.

 

[MistyWaters]

I keep coming back to the "one missing piece" and LE saying they just need a name. What signature/evidence/detail could there possibly be that would lead to only one possible person?? I'm just stymied by this.
For example, I thought if it was JBC, perhaps he used leashes, or posed them with leashes. But lots of people have dogs and leashes. Nothing I can think of would lead to only one particular person to the exclusion of all others.
When they say they only need a name...do you think that is more on the nose than it sounds? Do you suppose the killer left his name at the scene, wrote it on the victims, carved it in a tree, dropped something with a name or nickname on it?? I'm thinking just a first name, or a nickname that only people very close to the killer would know he calls himself.
Thoughts??

LE have already been given appx 50,000 tips so they do have names. So I think what they’re referring to when they ask for the missing piece - the identity of the killer - is someone who truly knows who the killer is based on specific firsthand information, beyond details already released to the general public.

JMO

 

[minazoe]

LE can come out and take the heat off of JBC at any time. mOO

 

[SMK777]

LE can come out and take the heat off of JBC at any time. mOO

Do you mean to say that until they do this, it’s a positive indicator regarding JBC as potential Delphi killer?

 

[SMK777]

I’m thinking that LE biggest problem and the last piece they claim to need is putting a POI in Delphi and at the trails that day. I think that was the issue with Nations, Eldridge, and probably is now with Chadwell. I have come to think that LE has a reasonably short list of suspects, and they are looking for evidence that puts one of them at the trails that day. That is probably very hard. The suspect list might include...like Nations and Chadwell...people who are transient, lack reliable transportation, have no cell phone, don’t use credit/debit cards etc. In other words they are difficult to track.

I would agree. It’s really a shame there weren’t surveillance cameras all around the trails and bridge, and it’s worrisome that they may not be able to exclude JBC nor label him as an official suspect— neither one.