Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #137

[fridaybaker]

look , even his own family thinks he's guilty..what does that tell you? can you imagine your own family saying they think you might be a serial killer?

not in a million years..right? even the shi&&iest family wouldn't do that..wouldn't rat you out or point at you and say yeah...lock up my bro...I think it's him..have at him! .NO WAY...I can't wait for the day because we will learn so much when they crimes are on trial and the details come out.

mOO

I know it's quoted here a lot that Libby's sister doesn't think JBC is the killer. I don't have access to her Facebook page, but I just read an article where she states doubt about him, but I find it to be very generic. It's almost as if she doesn't want anyone to latch onto him and neglect to "keep looking" in the event it isn't him. I just didn't see anything resembling a strong statement as to his innocence, and there were no stated reasons for it. So, just my opinion, but I don't give it much weight in my thoughts on JBC.

Every time I see a photo of him, by the way, I'm struck by how uncanny his overall look is so similar to BG.

 

[fridaybaker]

Minazoe, didn't mean to quote your post, was just replying to the thread in general.

 

[carbuff]

I certainly think it's possible JBC isn't BG. I'll be surprised but not shocked.

 

[JnRyan]

JBC is coming up on the number of months DN lingered as the possible killer - 5 months. Maybe he can beat DN's record.
No decision yet on James Chadwell's request for a change of venue

 

[minazoe]

you know with DN it was months in before they dismissed him and like JBC they had him locked up in jail ( but far away )in CO..but..they didn't shut down the media on it..his wife was under big time scrutiny..there was even another murder they were looking at him over...he had a wishy washy alibi for that day in Delphi... JBC no alibi we know of..

it took months and then finally they talked to DN in CO jail and that was the end of it..
where as here..they really don't have to travel far...they have access..they have seen JBC etc..but there is no dismissal ..there is no alibi coming out..deafening silence.

I don't think we can compare these two situations. mOO

 

[nch14]

Taken from LE statements.
-Someone hiding in plain sight.
-Someone younger.
-Local & well known that the community will be shocked.
-Someone who has spoke with LE and privy to the direction of the case.
-Not in the system so has not committed serious crimes before.
-A coward. Organized killer associated with power.
-Has caring family. ("what will those closest to you think")
-Noticeable changes in behavior or appearance.
-Has a little bit of conscience left.

My “profile” is in conflict with most of this. I should preface with MOO and acknowledge that I am biased due to the similarities to Evansdale (the case that brought me here).

The similarities are too much for me. The hunting grounds are the same.

- Generally safe public recreational sites. People feel comfortable here, more specifically people feel comfortable leaving children their relatively unsupervised.

- In this generally safe area, there is a secluded location suitable for executing a stealth attack with high probability of success. A&L we’re essentially trapped, L&L we’re in a tunnel of sorts (heavy vegetation).

- This generally safe recreational area is located next to a relatively major highway.

I firmly believe the cases are related. Either the same killer, or a copycat of sorts. If I were a psychotic waste of oxygen and wanted to do something like this, I’d probably study similar unsolved crimes for tips on getting away with it.

I’m sure many have, but I’d be interested in researching attempted and successful abductions/murders from similar sites across the midwest. My focus would be one similarities in the hunting ground.

 

[nch14]

Are there any good geospatial databases for looking into this type of thing? And if not, why?

 

[Boxer]

The voices of BG and JBC are completely different in my opinion.

MOO find the voice very similar. MOO JBCs got the E/SE Indiana - W Kentucky accent.

 

[Charlot123]

My “profile” is in conflict with most of this. I should preface with MOO and acknowledge that I am biased due to the similarities to Evansdale (the case that brought me here).

The similarities are too much for me. The hunting grounds are the same.

- Generally safe public recreational sites. People feel comfortable here, more specifically people feel comfortable leaving children their relatively unsupervised.

- In this generally safe area, there is a secluded location suitable for executing a stealth attack with high probability of success. A&L we’re essentially trapped, L&L we’re in a tunnel of sorts (heavy vegetation).

- This generally safe recreational area is located next to a relatively major highway.

I firmly believe the cases are related. Either the same killer, or a copycat of sorts. If I were a psychotic waste of oxygen and wanted to do something like this, I’d probably study similar unsolved crimes for tips on getting away with it.

I’m sure many have, but I’d be interested in researching attempted and successful abductions/murders from similar sites across the midwest. My focus would be one similarities in the hunting ground.

What if there were more cases?

Thinking about TB who killed random, unrelated women, but of a similar type, and how hard it was to tie all these disappearances to one person...but the victims had only one connection, looking similar to his first GF and living in WA...

What if there are more cases, between Delphi and Evansdale, and some of them are single, and they cluster around MW, or wherever this guy moves?

In the beginning, there was one more case mentioned, Alicia Hummel. She was killed when fishing in Vermillion, SD, but she was from Sioux falls. Shortly before, she lived in Nebraska. Maybe there are other pois, but all I know is that the case is cold.

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I don't know whether the fact that she was drowned (water) is a coincidence (with Delphi), or an intention. Water is somehow present in all stories, but maybe it has to do with the hunting ground, and hiding the bodies.

But is it possible that the guy is looking for a lonely woman or unattended girl, of the certain type, and is in no way related to them, just knows Midwest? He either lived/lives there, or parents live there, but he may not be moored in one place now hence assuming he is "a local" does not give us anything.

Alicia posted about her fishing trip in Snapchat, but I think in Argus they mentioned another source of information, open. Pinterest.

Pinterest I never saw being mentioned before, but it is a source to study.

I personally think since Pinterest is such a "female" source, someone could even post/trace on his girlfriend's boards. Easier to trace potential victims.

(Pinterest is cluttered, it is really very hard to connect the dots there. But any interest boards could be a source of information.)

So here is my thought for tonight:

- the guy is a serial killer, not just a child predator

- he probably doesn't reside at Midwest, or if he does, he is in no proximity to Delphi

- but at one point, he knew MW well (parents lived there? Parents moved in MW because of the job?)

- he has the reason to visit MW, but it could be simply his hobby, fishing or hunting, or relatives, or something else. I know a person who bought several rentals in Indiana and now travels there; a totally different type, but I am now thinking, even owning a property is a good reason to travel.

- the perp either still has the relatives there, or has a job that allows to travel, or somehow has the money for plane tickets

- he might be a loner, or could have a group with similar hobby, so might occasionally have real trips with them, and sometimes, he'd "hunt" alone; his partner is either not too sharp, or scared to ask, or is simply happy when he leaves the house. I wonder if the relationship is purely financial-based.

So, regardless of poi, has anyone tried to look at it as: blonde, healthy, women, of a similar type, in Midwest? And he - he simply knows MW well.

Lyric and Elizabeth were killed in 2013; Alicia, in 2015; the Delphi girls, in 2017. Is it his cycle, or does he kill in between, too?

Any similar types disappearing in 2019 or 2021? 2011?

 

[Charlot123]

Are there any good geospatial databases for looking into this type of thing? And if not, why?

Too many victims?

I think LE needs people who can recognize patterns. I know some, and they all, if you ask me, are employed in wrong areas; anyhow, their pattern-recognizing ability is not used.

(One recognizes not only patterns, but breaks in them, too).

For criminology, or any profession where analysts are needed, it is a gift, but no one puts it in job description. AFAIK.

 

[FromGermany1]

The Midwest, as defined by the federal government, comprises the states of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.

 

[nch14]

Too many victims?

I think LE needs people who can recognize patterns. I know some, and they all, if you ask me, are employed in wrong areas; anyhow, their pattern-recognizing ability is not used.

(One recognizes not only patterns, but breaks in them, too).

For criminology, or any profession where analysts are needed, it is a gift, but no one puts it in job description. AFAIK.

This is exactly what I do in my 9-5. If there is a place on this site that we can save a google spreadsheet or something, you could put together a data template and have people enter as much info as possible about any case they want.

You could easily make a filterable/searchable geospatial dashboard for analyzing trends.

 

[nch14]

the guy is a serial killer, not just a child predator

This is where I have been leaning lately. Based on the hunting grounds, I think it’s a crime of opportunity. I think he’s killed adults.

 

[FromGermany1]

I certainly think it's possible JBC isn't BG. I'll be surprised but not shocked.

I'm always thinking of any opportunity, that JBC in case A/L worked together with the real killer, maybe even not the first time. I can't figure out, whether and how it would have been possible .......

 

[Charlot123]

This is exactly what I do in my 9-5. If there is a place on this site that we can save a google spreadsheet or something, you could put together a data template and have people enter as much info as possible about any case they want.

You could easily make a filterable/searchable geospatial dashboard for analyzing trends.

I am not a pattern recognizer, myself. I consider it a gift like, for example, tetrachromacy. But I can try a spreadsheet, or we all can discuss what to add there.

 

[Charlot123]

This is where I have been leaning lately. Based on the hunting grounds, I think it’s a crime of opportunity. I think he’s killed adults.

If Lyric and Liz were his first case, it could explain why they were found later. Maybe he took extra precautions to hide them.

Later, perhaps, he learned how to do it quick, and as long as he knows how not to leave DNA, it is all good.

I, too, think he doesn't care about the age; he has a certain preferred type, but would not necessarily stick to it 100%.

 

[nch14]

I am not a pattern recognizer, myself. I consider it a gift like, for example, tetrachromacy. But I can try a spreadsheet, or we all can discuss what to add there.

Picture an excel spreadsheet with each case getting its own individual row. The date would be in the columns, and columns can be unlimited. Think dates, locations, victimology, any relevant info really. Another similar table could be setup for tips and suspects. Those databases can then be linked by time and or location for cross reference.

 

[Charlot123]

Picture an excel spreadsheet with each case getting its own individual row. The date would be in the columns, and columns can be unlimited. Think dates, locations, victimology, any relevant info really. Another similar table could be setup for tips and suspects. Those databases can then be linked by time and or location for cross reference.

Yes I am thinking of it.

 

[FromGermany1]

This is where I have been leaning lately. Based on the hunting grounds, I think it’s a crime of opportunity. I think he’s killed adults.

The "hunting grounds" may have something in common, as being in the vicinity of places to go for sports or for events or for drugs or for something other, what I can't think of right now. Provided, that the killer combines his hunt with appointments, that he is currently keeping somewhere. It would always be a good alibi as to why he was in the area.

 

[nch14]

Any similar types disappearing in 2019 or 2021? 2011?

Specifically on the 13th of the month