Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[TL4S]

Very curious how LE will respond to this if at all. With how close to the vest they've held everything about this case for the past five years, having court documents in which detectives are on the record questioning someone who seems to be linked to their most promising lead we know about might give us our first real insight into their investigative strategy.

There is the affidavit from 2017, the LE interview with KAK from 2020, and the Dec 6, 2021 a-shots ask. Something keeps LE coming back. Jmo.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Well, KAK told BMc that during their Aug 2020 interview, LE told him they knew his dad did it. If this is the same interview, I guess we'll know in a couple weeks if KAK was telling the truth. I wonder if LE will make any statements before that podcast comes out.

I also wonder if anyone will be able to dig up a search warrant for the late 2021 Peru house "raid."

The question then is was LE telling him the truth.
I’m not sure KAK’s dad is the killer, but I could see him being the mastermind, so to speak.
I do feel like LE is pushing hard in that direction for some reason.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

do you think quite sincerely and honestly that there is a chance this can ever be solved except thru DNA ?
I do believe we are far removed from the ( someone must recognize him from the video ) by now....we are in the age of ppl living in SM vacuum..whats not trending isnt happening ..not to mention from the absurd range of suspects so far the video seems to fit anybody .
also we know the sketches is just a disaster leading nowhere..
what is left>>>a drunken confession ? another murder ? a stupid mistake ?

Just my opinion, but if DNA is what’s needed to solve this case we might as well go ahead and take up shuffleboard because we will all be playing it long before there’s an arrest. I just don’t think they have usable DNA.
Definitely more likely a drunken confession or another murder or a stupid mistake before DNA.

 

[Chestnutsunfish]

I stumbled upon a case on my YT feed the other day, (sorry can’t remember the specific case, it might have been on Crime Watch Daily), I’ll try to remember because I was reminded of Abby’s and Libby’s case a few times as far as the investigation.

Long story short, a girl was found dead in a field, sexual assault, and the case had gone cold for some time. LE decided to release something much later not previously revealed to the public, re: underwear being found at the scene, and/or the victim(s) strangled with (someone else’s) underwear, and this broke the case wide open.

This tip led to that break because the girlfriend of the killer found underwear in her boyfriend’s truck and was suspicious enough to report it after hearing this new information. A sharp detective was going back on old tips and noticed the mention of “underwear” which immediately flagged his attention. Had this new detail not been revealed, the woman would not have called in.

Point is, we know there could be obvious benefits of crime scene details being revealed, as demonstrated above; however after thinking about this some more, it has occurred to me that IF LE has absolutely nothing, no DNA, then their only hope of absolutely knowing they have the right person may rest on holding back these details. Of course, obviously it’s a double-edged sword, because that may prevent them from getting a specific tip to begin with - It could trigger a tip, or could hurt them in the long run.

I feel somewhat, good, to really come to this conclusion at this stage five years later and truly understand the importance of how imperative it may be to keep details close to the vest, despite the benefits it MAY provide. But again, double edged sword.

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I’m remembering more about the case, girl abducted from her friend’s couch on a sleepover after going to a casino. They had a sketch because a previous victim was raped on a college campus parking lot but let go, one of two victims iirc, and came forward afterwards to provide a sketch, and in this case iirc they were able to match the DNA.

The case you’re referring to is the Brianna Denison case I believe.

 

[Prime8]

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I don't either. I wish it was as easy as this but I really feel it's random premeditated not intentional premeditated.

"Prime8, post: 17472605, member: 300659"]That sparked a random, speculative thought. KAK or his dad could have randomly targeted the girls and only connected with the Libby's social profile media profile after the murders.

Expanding my thought...what if BG interacted with a social media account of Libby after the murder because he wanted to know if any incriminating pictures/videos were uploaded...because he thought there was a phone and couldn't find it?

 

[Schatz]

There is the affidavit from 2017, the LE interview with KAK from 2020, and the Dec 6, 2021 a-shots ask. Something keeps LE coming back. Jmo.

Ok, my perhaps off-the-wall theory is that JBC knows KAK. The request for info on the anthony_shots account came right before JBC's sentencing in the Lafayette case, and there was some back-and-forth activity on JBC's case at the time. Maybe there IS a ring and both are part of it. I still think JBC for this case.

 

[TL4S]

Ok, my perhaps off-the-wall theory is that JBC knows KAK. The request for info on the anthony_shots account came right before JBC's sentencing in the Lafayette case, and there was some back-and-forth activity on JBC's case at the time. Maybe there IS a ring and both are part of it. I still think JBC for this case.

I need my memory refreshed. Did JBC live in Peru at one point? Or was that Kokomo?

 

[carbuff]

I don’t really get it as LE certainly knew who was the creator of the anthony_shots profile as KAK admitted it in 2017 and was in jail since 2020 awaiting trial. Sometimes I wonder if LE didn’t release this simply to place additional attention and focus on the unsolved case in general, if not to pre-empt speculation about a possible connection when KAKs case goes to trial.

BBM
From your link -
“….Police say the man in the photos is not a person of interest, but they are looking for information about who created the profile and used his images…….

……Again, state police said the person in the photos is not a person of interest, however, they are looking for the person who created the anthony_shots profile and used these images…”

I dunno. Every time I read this, it makes me think that they found out KAK was not the one who created the profile, or not the only one who created it, or somebody else presented themselves as using it.

 

[Schatz]

I need my memory refreshed. Did JBC live in Peru at one point? Or was that Kokomo?

Per his addresses in IN MyCase, he lived in both at various times, in addition to the Lafayette address more recently.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

There are people here in Indiana who didn’t know about the murders weeks or months later. Many people don’t watch the news.

Also, not everything is important to everyone. You remember where you were when Diana died, I remember where I was when the breaking news of Diana’s death was announced, but to many people it wasn’t important enough to them to remember where they were.

I remember where I was and what I was doing when President Reagan was shot, when Michael Jackson’s death was announced, when each of the space shuttle tragedies occurred, when Pope JP2 was shot, when Anwar Sādāt was assassinated, and when John Lennon was shot. But to many or most people, some or all of those events aren’t important enough to them to remember.

Working with the public and having the opportunity to discuss news events on a daily basis, I am often amazed that people just don’t care much about things that don’t affect them or their families personally. Often anything short of 911 doesn’t stay in the minds of some.

While we here on WS are all very involved and invested in Abby and Libby, I can tell you that even here in Indiana, many people have all but forgotten about the case. When I have mentioned it people have lost interest in it, sometimes they think has been solved or that it will never be solved. But outside of Delphi itself it generally isn’t a top news event. JMO

The same thing happened with BTK. A generation had gone by and people in Wichita hadn't heard of him. That prompted the book to be written, and we know where it went from there

 

[Schatz]

Per his addresses in IN MyCase, he lived in both at various times, in addition to the Lafayette address more recently.

Per this case, his father moved to evict him from a shared address in Peru in May 2020.

 

[CurtMarcucci]

I don't either. I wish it was as easy as this but I really feel it's random premeditated not intentional premeditated.

I agree, I think it was right creep, right place, right time. If a hunting knife was used, that would seal the premeditation for me. There is absolutely NO need for a hunting knife on that trail.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I need my memory refreshed. Did JBC live in Peru at one point? Or was that Kokomo?

I think he lived in both places.

 

[sandy_80]

Just my opinion, but if DNA is what’s needed to solve this case we might as well go ahead and take up shuffleboard because we will all be playing it long before there’s an arrest. I just don’t think they have usable DNA.
Definitely more likely a drunken confession or another murder or a stupid mistake before DNA.

and in my opinion..after this time and with this kind of killer the confession or the mistake are very unlikely ..this leaves another murder which might take 10 years to happen and might not has any similarities unless he was an illusive SK

 

[Meowlisa]

Hello,

I'm new to this forum and haven't read every comment so my apologies if you guys came up with this theory.

SO I was reminded about this case after seeing a recent update 2 weeks ago on this case regarding the girls and when I was watching another crime news doc lastnight I came across on YouTube this other case that sounded eerily similar to The Delphi Murders.

I haven't had much time to research The suspects but I found the footage of the Delphi Murder suspect video also looks like the suspect Elred Ted Walker.

Ted took part in the kidnapping and slaying of an 11 yr old girl (close to Abby and Libby age) Shauna Howe, I believe the suspects were still not I'm jail yet when Abby and Libbys case took place, Shauna was sexually assaulted, and eventually thrown off a bridge similar in appearance to the one Libby and Abby came in contact with their killer.

IN Shauna's case, Her abductor being Elred Ted Walker, he "claims" to only been the gopher and only kidnapped her, brought her to the O'Brien brothers whom he claimed were the ones to assault and murder Shauna, the location where Shauna was murdered in is only a 6 hrs and 30 mins away from Abby and Libbys location. So Its not unheard of for serial killers to spread out their hunting grounds to avoid detection.

Regardless, they're all in jail now and the police have their DNA profiles available for testing, so could be worth having Carroll County Police test it in Abby and Libby's case if they think it could be a lead as I'm sure DNA will be the key for any convictions.

<modsnip> I have a feeling that All 3 Murder suspects in Shauna's case are probably involved in exploiting children through a sex trade, possibly Walker and both O'Briens are serial kidnapping/assaulting/murderers of children, back in the early 90s, we weren't as tech savvy on the internet as we are now and we were still fresh to the beginning of online predators, so maybe these guys have critiqued their ways overtime and hopped on the band wagon of finding new victims via online instead of waiting for specific holidays to snatch kids (Shauna was kidnapped on Halloween).

Anywho, just my thoughts. Let me know if I'm completely off based or seems plausible

Thanks guys!

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Very curious how LE will respond to this if at all. With how close to the vest they've held everything about this case for the past five years, having court documents in which detectives are on the record questioning someone who seems to be linked to their most promising lead we know about might give us our first real insight into their investigative strategy.

They would be smart to get an injunction from a court to prevent its publication.

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Hello,

I'm new to this forum and haven't read every comment so my apologies if you guys came up with this theory.

SO I was reminded about this case after seeing a recent update 2 weeks ago on this case regarding the girls and when I was watching another crime news doc lastnight I came across on YouTube this other case that sounded eerily similar to The Delphi Murders.

I haven't had much time to research The suspects but I found the footage of the Delphi Murder suspect video also looks like the suspect Elred Ted Walker.

Ted took part in the kidnapping and slaying of an 11 yr old girl (close to Abby and Libby age) Shauna Howe, I believe the suspects were still not I'm jail yet when Abby and Libbys case took place, Shauna was sexually assaulted, and eventually thrown off a bridge similar in appearance to the one Libby and Abby came in contact with their killer.

IN Shauna's case, Her abductor being Elred Ted Walker, he "claims" to only been the gopher and only kidnapped her, brought her to the O'Brien brothers whom he claimed were the ones to assault and murder Shauna, the location where Shauna was murdered in is only a 6 hrs and 30 mins away from Abby and Libbys location. So Its not unheard of for serial killers to spread out their hunting grounds to avoid detection.

Regardless, they're all in jail now and the police have their DNA profiles available for testing, so could be worth having Carroll County Police test it in Abby and Libby's case if they think it could be a lead as I'm sure DNA will be the key for any convictions.

<modsnip> I have a feeling that All 3 Murder suspects in Shauna's case are probably involved in exploiting children through a sex trade, possibly Walker and both O'Briens are serial kidnapping/assaulting/murderers of children, back in the early 90s, we weren't as tech savvy on the internet as we are now and we were still fresh to the beginning of online predators, so maybe these guys have critiqued their ways overtime and hopped on the band wagon of finding new victims via online instead of waiting for specific holidays to snatch kids (Shauna was kidnapped on Halloween).

Anywho, just my thoughts. Let me know if I'm completely off based or seems plausible

Thanks guys!

The main suspect (Walker) has been in prison since 2007 on a 20-40 year sentence. Very interesting case though, with some similarities: Girl Scout's killer gets 20-40 years

 

[ApparentlyInDenial]

Do we know if other missing teenagers have been looked at in relation to the Delphi case?

I found two who are 18 when they went missing (and arguably looked younger), who went missing in 2014 and 2016:

IN - IN - Karena McClerkin, 18, Kokomo, 11 Oct 2016

IN - IN - Marina Boelter, 18, Bloomfield, 31 December 2014

If you plot these on a map it looks like the central point is Indianapolis - about a 60-70 miles drive from each place where these girls were last seen, and Delphi.

 

[AC4RD]

They would be smart to get an injunction from a court to prevent its publication.

... unless they deliberately leaked it, making it look like an accident, to get some piece of information out in the public eye for some reason, without making it obvious that they wanted it out in the public eye.

I'm not saying that's the case, IMO it isn't even likely. And I'm not sure the investigative team is capable of playing that complex a game, either. Just sayin'.

 

[mekeritrig]

... unless they deliberately leaked it, making it look like an accident, to get some piece of information out in the public eye for some reason, without making it obvious that they wanted it out in the public eye.

I'm not saying that's the case, IMO it isn't even likely. And I'm not sure the investigative team is capable of playing that complex a game, either. Just sayin'.

Highly doubt it was deliberately leaked as the documents were only available for a short time window before being pulled down. Seems like a clerical error that Murder Sheet was able to exploit which allowed them to get access to court documents that were uploaded for discovery purposes and were mistakenly put on a public facing portal for the lawyers involved in KAK's trial.

As for the idea that a judge can issue an injunction to stop their publication, that sounds even less likely. Judges issue gag orders to stop trial participants from leaking information, not to stop media outlets who already have the information from reporting on it. The cat's already out of the bag so to speak in this case with the Murder Sheet already having downloaded the documents. If they were asking a clerk to send the docs to them that would be a different scenario but this is pretty much well within first amendment protected territory now since they already have them.