Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[sunshineray]

I'm not quite following.

That the strong leads weren't there, with KAK and JAK...after IT dove into their phones confiscated and then Libby's. To put them on the back burner, after seeing what was on and what was erased and reset...says BIG mistake to me. AJMO

 

[Prime8]

Didn't LE go as far as to tell people publicly to stop harassing/doxing those early search warrants people? Or was that just the Bicycle Bridge Rd ones?

I mean, LE is never going to say the opposite. Even if the person is their #1 suspect, the public harassing them isn't going to help them at all.

 

[Prime8]

That the strong leads weren't there, with KAK and JAK...after IT dove into their phones confiscated and then Libby's. To put them on the back burner, after seeing what was on and what was erased and reset...says BIG mistake to me. AJMO

We know so very little about this investigation so we really can't say one way or the other. I'm just speculated it could have been put on the back burner, but I have no idea what their investigative process has been. Maybe they've been the #1 suspects this entire time. Maybe the new sketch released was the A_S profile pic. Maybe the "new direction" is suspecting the dad vs. KAK. We're trying to put together 1000 piece puzzle with 3 pieces.

 

[Megnut]

Didn't LE say something about talking to the owner of the car and getting what they wanted from them?

Is it possible BG borrowed someone else's car (and coat) (from his job's employee parking lot) and returned both without the real owner ever knowing? Until LE traced the car to them -- and they were able to confirm their whereabouts (working, for example) and a short list of who might've taken their car on a a joyride. Hellride.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

We have prior restraint in the UK; once somebody is charged for an offence there is a blanket ban on publishing any information that could be detrimental that person's - or the prosecutor's - case. It's an old principle that seems to work fine most of the time.

Same in Canada as well. But I’m not holding my breath that the soon to be released interviews with KAK hold incriminating disclosures that hold the key to solving the Delphi case as LE certainly know what he said. It’s not as if the interviews are breaking, hot off the press stuff as they took place more than 5 years ago. It would appear whatever information KAK had disclosed support the charges relating to his upcoming trial of the 30 felony charges. I’m not sure what sort of bomb shell we are expecting regarding Delphi, something he said in these interviews that LE didn’t notice?

“On Aug. 19, 2020, Kline was charged with 30 felonies, including child exploitation, possession of child pornography, obstruction of justice and synthetic identity deception.
Man behind 'anthony_shots' account charged for child porn; docs don't tie him to Delphi case

 

[technicallymissing]

I will not be surprised if the perp is also tied to the KM case.

Out of pure curiosity, what makes you say that about KM’s case specifically?

 

[Prime8]

Same in Canada as well. But I’m not holding my breath that the soon to be released interviews with KAK hold incriminating disclosures that hold the key to solving the Delphi case as LE certainly know what he said. It’s not as if the interviews are breaking, hot off the press stuff as they took place more than 5 years ago. It would appear whatever information KAK had disclosed support the charges relating to his upcoming trial of the 30 felony charges. I’m not sure what sort of bomb shell we are expecting regarding Delphi, something he said in these interviews that LE didn’t notice?

“On Aug. 19, 2020, Kline was charged with 30 felonies, including child exploitation, possession of child pornography, obstruction of justice and synthetic identity deception.
Man behind 'anthony_shots' account charged for child porn; docs don't tie him to Delphi case

The HLN interview and the police interview took place in December 2021 and August 2020 respectively, so these are relatively recent, not 5 years old. The Murder Sheet podcast state that questioning did relate to Delphi. They are releasing information that relates to KAKs current charges on the 15th and information regarding Delphi on the following week.

 

[TL4S]

In regards to the podcast, I get the feeling that if the prosecutor requests certain information be withheld, the Murder Sheet group will abide. Even though they might have a constitutional right, they don't want to see harm done the case any more than we do. Jmo.

What piques my interest is the fact that the podcasters requested information on that late 2021 LE presence at the Peru home. They've read the police interview, so if that leads them to being more curious about that Peru event, then I'm curious, too.

For lots of reasons I've already posted about, I think the a_shots ask was aimed directly at getting specific tips in regards to KAK or his father, not some unknown user. I could be wrong.

The biggest problem I have thinking KAK or his father is the killer, is the killer's description per FBI poster. The hair color, height, and weight don't match either one. It really opens up a lot of thoughts, though, because if either of the Ks is involved, it does not necessarily mean that there isn't another suspect. Many think that other suspect could be JBC, who does check a lot of boxes, but really, that's all circumstantial. It could be anyone. However, I don't think LE obtained a search warrant for the K household back in 2017 for no reason, and LE didn't recently ask about the "creator" of a_shots for no reason, and BMc didn't interview KAK for no reason, and LE didn't question KAK about Delphi for no reason.

The whole thing feels like a shift in this case. We have the odd timing on the a_shots ask. Then we find out the link to KAK because of the media. Then we have a media snippet of BMc's interview, which gives a tiny tease about KAK being the last to talk to L. Soon after, there's a clerical mistake that a podcaster/lawyer happens upon, which gives the public access to the entire BMc interview, including the new KAK's father info, and the soon-to-be released LE interview. Seems like a whole lotta slip-ups, imo. I feel almost like it's stoking a fire, you know?

 

[Schatz]

Out of pure curiosity, what makes you say that about KM’s case specifically?

Because the person I think responsible (JBC) lived quite close at one time to where KM disappeared from. Like a mile-ish. (Is it ok to discuss other cases in this way, if we think it’s possible they are connected?) I am not sure if he was still living there at the time of her disappearance, but he was presumably in Kokomo off and on for this case around the time she disappeared because there was a probation violation that dragged on and on. He pled guilty to this charge from 2000 in the case below in June *2016* He failed to appear for a fact finding hearing at the end of September about a probation violation, and they issued a warrant for his arrest. Like 12 days before she disappeared. He probably thought he was about to go back to prison. I don’t think he had been out from prison in South Dakota all that long when Indiana swooped in and tried to nail him on this old charge. I think he’s known to the law and they’ve been trying to get him for a long time. I also suspect him for Evansdale. I wish I knew more legalese because I suspect his court records tell a story. I just don’t know enough about the system to say for sure what that story is.

Of course I could be way off base. I thought we would learn about more victims of Todd Kohlhepp and James Worley, too, but that hasn’t come to pass. Yet.

Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase

https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...-family-begs-for-answers-on-her-disappearance

 

[MistyWaters]

The HLN interview and the police interview took place in December 2021 and August 2020 respectively, so these are relatively recent, not 5 years old. The Murder Sheet podcast state that questioning did relate to Delphi. They are releasing information that relates to KAKs current charges on the 15th and information regarding Delphi on the following week.

Some of the questions may’ve related to Delphi but I really doubt anything would be released to solve an unsolved double homicide, especially critical information that LE didn’t take action on. I’m not getting my hopes up, this case has had a long history of unrelated hype. JMO

 

[TL4S]

Because the person I think responsible (JBC) lived quite close at one time to where KM disappeared from. Like a mile-ish. (Is it ok to discuss other cases in this way, if we think it’s possible they are connected?) I am not sure if he was still living there at the time of her disappearance, but he was presumably in Kokomo off and on for this case around the time she disappeared because there was a probation violation that dragged on and on. He pled guilty to this charge from 2000 in the case below in June *2016* He failed to appear for a fact finding hearing at the end of September about a probation violation, and they issued a warrant for his arrest. Like 12 days before she disappeared. He probably thought he was about to go back to prison. I don’t think he had been out from prison in South Dakota all that long when Indiana swooped in and tried to nail him on this old charge. I think he’s known to the law and they’ve been trying to get him for a long time. I also suspect him for Evansdale. I wish I knew more legalese because I suspect his court records tell a story. I just don’t know enough about the system to say for sure what that story is.

Of course I could be way off base. I thought we would learn about more victims of Todd Kohlhepp and James Worley, too, but that hasn’t come to pass. Yet.

Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase

https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...-family-begs-for-answers-on-her-disappearance

Early on in this case, JH said in an interview that they were looking into any other cases that might be similar to Delphi, like possibly done by the same person. He mentioned Evansdale as being the closest, but without a COD in that case, it was hard to tell, and there didn't appear to be a connection at that time.

In Delphi, we have the known "signatures" and other oddities at the CS, a suspect description, and the FBI's involvement. It feels a lot different than the type of information we have on those other cases. If one person committed all the crimes we're trying to link to JBC, the FBI will know they are connected, imo. That would be a great conclusion for all the victims' families, but I just don't think it will be that easy. There are a LOT of bad people in this world.

 

[Schatz]

There are a LOT of bad people in this world.

A lot of them seem to live quite close to me.

 

[Prime8]

However, I don't think LE obtained a search warrant for the K household back in 2017 for no reason, and LE didn't recently ask about the "creator" of a_shots for no reason, and BMc didn't interview KAK for no reason, and LE didn't question KAK about Delphi for no reason.

<snip>

Exactly.

Do I think the release of the transcript will "solve the case"? No, that's not really how things work. Do I think the public may get a better understanding of what LE knows and how they are investigating this case? Yes.

 

[TL4S]

A lot of them seem to live quite close to me.

Ha...yeah. The other day, I googled something along the lines of news for the general region and was shocked at how many drugs, DUIs, and child predators were around. I suppose it would be the same for any region if I dug deep enough. Indiana courts just make it easy...

 

[Silver_produce0]

The whole thing feels like a shift in this case. We have the odd timing on the a_shots ask. Then we find out the link to KAK because of the media. Then we have a media snippet of BMc's interview, which gives a tiny tease about KAK being the last to talk to L. Soon after, there's a clerical mistake that a podcaster/lawyer happens upon, which gives the public access to the entire BMc interview, including the new KAK's father info, and the soon-to-be released LE interview. Seems like a whole lotta slip-ups, imo. I feel almost like it's stoking a fire, you know?

agreed. That’s why I can’t let it KK/TK go. I read something about the investigation that said, basically, you start with a lead or suspect and you try to rule the person out. If they are still interested in the father, it means for a year and a half (since Aug 2020) they haven’t been able to rule him out even though it seems KK is alibying for him? Something is up. I’m interested in this next information drop.

 

[technicallymissing]

Because the person I think responsible (JBC) lived quite close at one time to where KM disappeared from. Like a mile-ish. (Is it ok to discuss other cases in this way, if we think it’s possible they are connected?) I am not sure if he was still living there at the time of her disappearance, but he was presumably in Kokomo off and on for this case around the time she disappeared because there was a probation violation that dragged on and on. He pled guilty to this charge from 2000 in the case below in June *2016* He failed to appear for a fact finding hearing at the end of September about a probation violation, and they issued a warrant for his arrest. Like 12 days before she disappeared. He probably thought he was about to go back to prison. I don’t think he had been out from prison in South Dakota all that long when Indiana swooped in and tried to nail him on this old charge. I think he’s known to the law and they’ve been trying to get him for a long time. I also suspect him for Evansdale. I wish I knew more legalese because I suspect his court records tell a story. I just don’t know enough about the system to say for sure what that story is.

Of course I could be way off base. I thought we would learn about more victims of Todd Kohlhepp and James Worley, too, but that hasn’t come to pass. Yet.

Indiana Supreme Court public access case search - MyCase

https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...-family-begs-for-answers-on-her-disappearance

That is all interesting! Thanks for taking the time to type it up. It has definitely always been hard to believe that Abby and Libby are the only victims of their killer given the nature of the crime and the highly unique circumstances of their case.

 

[Schatz]

That is all interesting! Thanks for taking the time to type it up. It has definitely always been hard to believe that Abby and Libby are the only victims of their killer given the nature of the crime and the highly unique circumstances of their case.

Agreed. And given the nature of JBC's April 2021 crime, I would be shocked if that was his first assault of that nature.

 

[TL4S]

I'm a broken record, but what nags at me the most is that KAK said he knew he was f'ed, had brought an extra bag to Vegas, and was going to leave when his dad fell asleep. This thought had to have occurred post-murders but pre-search warrant. So why was he f'd and wanting to flee even before the search? And why didn't he delete his devices then?

What had he done, or what did he know, to make him think this way, but not delete stuff? It's perplexing.

 

[Schatz]

I'm a broken record, but what nags at me the most is that KAK said he knew he was f'ed, had brought an extra bag to Vegas, and was going to leave when his dad fell asleep. This thought had to have occurred post-murders but pre-search warrant. So why was he f'd and wanting to flee even before the search? And why didn't he delete his devices then?

What had he done, or what did he know, to make him think this way, but not delete stuff? It's perplexing.

Well, he’s been at this ruse for years based on evidence from his various devices, and it seems he targeted, at least in part, local girls. Or at least we know the metadata of some of the CSAM is from nearby areas in IN (eg Bunker Hill). It is not unlikely that he attempted to talk to one of the girls or someone close to this case at some point. When LE came with a warrant, he knew he was effed for the CSAM and possibly was freaking out because he had interacted with X person during his (seemingly very prolific) social media exploits.

 

[minazoe]

I think it went down something like this where KAK shared the profile with his dad and then maybe his dad's out drinking one night and shares it with JBC , shows him how to get on...

I think all three are the same ilk , and looks like the dad has some past offenses.

what I don't think is that the plan started out as we are gonna kill these little girls..I think that was
all JBC...that was his thing..the squeeze is on to get the Father to talk...because I think JBC has gone radio silent...what I really hope is that maybe the dad knows more about JBC...like maybe
JBC told him some stuff..

I just have to go with that being JBC on the bridge. mOO