Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[Andreee]

As a parent and a victim of abuse, I am absolutely outraged over this KAK information that is coming out SMH I can not say I am surprised by it, because from what I can tell, there have been far too many cases, for way too many years that we hear excuses as to WHY these sickos are LEFT FREE TO HURT KIDS. THIS HAS TO STOP! They knew other kids would be hurt! And yet, HERE WE ARE several years later SHAME ON ALL AUTHORITY INVOLVED in letting this *** off the hook for how many YEARS MOOOOOOOO Dropped the ball, UNINTENTIONALLY?? NO EXCUSES

I agree with you completely! Mistakes are made, and I hope this mishandling of this creepo for so many years is looked into fully!

 

[Silver_produce0]

Great summary @mekeritrig

I am absolutely FLOORED at the revelation that another teenager provided her address to a person using the a_s account and then a man in a ski mask was peeping through her bedroom window?

that is scary as .

 

[abams]

I'm listening to the podcast ep linked above right now, and the transcript they're going through...well at the very least LE know KAK and LG communicated online (including on the day of the murders) and he denied/lied about the nature of it.

Reading everything that the police laid out to KAK in that interview transcript such as

• Libby wanting to meet 'Anthony_shots' and being described as 'in love' with him
• 'Anthony_shots' sending her money and talking to her and her friends the weekend before the murders
  
• 'Anthony_shots' showing up in a ski mask outside the bedroom window of girl known to KAK
• 'Anthony_shots' messaging that he was supposed to meet Libby on the day she was killed
• KAK's alibi for him and his dad being totally taken apart from tracking his phone locations
• KAK's search history following the murders being all about how long DNA lasts, how social media can track IPs, details about the murders including the audio and photo
• KAK failing the polygraph question of him knowing who killed the girls

All I can say is that I am shocked that for at least the past two years LE has been bamboozled by an idiot. KAK comes off as incredibly unintelligent, 90% of what he says is "I don't know" and the other 10% is him implicating himself and his dad through lies.

I can't believe this case hasn't been solved yet after reading all that. Something must have gone either very wrong with the evidence collection at the crime scene early on or TK must have been exceptionally lucky in such a way that investigators never followed up with for years allowing him to destroy anything linking him to the murder scene.

JMO

Great post. I think "incredibly unintelligent" is being very kind, though!

 

[flashy09]

Reading everything that the police laid out to KAK in that interview transcript such as

• Libby wanting to meet 'Anthony_shots' and being described as 'in love' with him
• 'Anthony_shots' sending her money and talking to her and her friends the weekend before the murders
  
• 'Anthony_shots' showing up in a ski mask outside the bedroom window of girl known to KAK
• 'Anthony_shots' messaging that he was supposed to meet Libby on the day she was killed
• KAK's alibi for him and his dad being totally taken apart from tracking his phone locations
• KAK's search history following the murders being all about how long DNA lasts, how social media can track IPs, details about the murders including the audio and photo
• KAK failing the polygraph question of him knowing who killed the girls

All I can say is that I am shocked that for at least the past two years LE has been bamboozled by an idiot. KAK comes off as incredibly unintelligent, 90% of what he says is "I don't know" and the other 10% is him implicating himself and his dad through lies.

I can't believe this case hasn't been solved yet after reading all that. Something must have gone either very wrong with the evidence collection at the crime scene early on or TK must have been exceptionally lucky in such a way that investigators never followed up with for years allowing him to destroy anything linking him to the murder scene.

JMO

I haven't listened to these new podcasts yet but all of the above is shocking!

 

[TL4S]

Things that I took from the interview:

• The officer asked if KAK has a thing for girls' stomachs. That was based on search history. But I immediately wondered if there was something stomach related at the crime scene.
• They asked KAK what time he got up in the mornings. They said it appeared he was active on his phone first thing in the morning and last thing at night. KAK said he didn't know...8, 9, 10. Officer said he had told them 10:30 in his other interview. I wonder what time the activity started on his phone. TK got off work at early am, correct?
• KAK said the trip to Vegas was planned like a year in advance. Coincidence that a double murder happens only days before they are to leave on a trip?
• The officer asked KAK about the prostitution inquiry in Vegas. He talked about what he would hire to have done to him. Officer asks what his dad would have wanted, and KAK said, "probably the same thing." Really? He knew what his dad would want?
• The "Smith" family. Yikes. I'm not sure...was that where L spent the night? I think I misunderstood that. But either way, if KAK knew that family, why would he have had to get the address from the girl? TK, however, might have needed to ask for the address. Just guessing...

A very disturbing conversation to listen to. I think KAK has smoked a little too much, because he can't seem to remember anything. But I have to ask myself if maybe he really doesn't know all the answers because he wasn't the one who said some of that stuff.

 

[Prime8]

Reading everything that the police laid out to KAK in that interview transcript such as

• Libby wanting to meet 'Anthony_shots' and being described as 'in love' with him
• 'Anthony_shots' sending her money and talking to her and her friends the weekend before the murders
  
• 'Anthony_shots' showing up in a ski mask outside the bedroom window of girl known to KAK
• 'Anthony_shots' messaging that he was supposed to meet Libby on the day she was killed
• KAK's alibi for him and his dad being totally taken apart from tracking his phone locations
• KAK's search history following the murders being all about how long DNA lasts, how social media can track IPs, details about the murders including the audio and photo
• KAK failing the polygraph question of him knowing who killed the girls

All I can say is that I am shocked that for at least the past two years LE has been bamboozled by an idiot. KAK comes off as incredibly unintelligent, 90% of what he says is "I don't know" and the other 10% is him implicating himself and his dad through lies.

I can't believe this case hasn't been solved yet after reading all that. Something must have gone either very wrong with the evidence collection at the crime scene early on or TK must have been exceptionally lucky in such a way that investigators never followed up with for years allowing him to destroy anything linking him to the murder scene.

JMO

A few random thoughts after listening to the transcripts:
1. Even knowing that KAK is a giant liar, part of me thinks that maybe a friend or his dad was using/monitoring his accounts without him knowing.

2. I mentioned once that it would be a horrible coincidence if LG was being catfished and then gets murdered and there is no connection between the two. But what are the chances of that AND a girl giving the same A_S profile her address and someone showing up in a ski mask.

3. I'm still reeling and honestly a bit emotional but after knowing the interaction between A_S and LG, I can't imagine it's not connected.

 

[Yemelyan]

Reading everything that the police laid out to KAK in that interview transcript such as

• Libby wanting to meet 'Anthony_shots' and being described as 'in love' with him
• 'Anthony_shots' sending her money and talking to her and her friends the weekend before the murders
  
• 'Anthony_shots' showing up in a ski mask outside the bedroom window of girl known to KAK
• 'Anthony_shots' messaging that he was supposed to meet Libby on the day she was killed
• KAK's alibi for him and his dad being totally taken apart from tracking his phone locations
• KAK's search history following the murders being all about how long DNA lasts, how social media can track IPs, details about the murders including the audio and photo
• KAK failing the polygraph question of him knowing who killed the girls

All I can say is that I am shocked that for at least the past two years LE has been bamboozled by an idiot. KAK comes off as incredibly unintelligent, 90% of what he says is "I don't know" and the other 10% is him implicating himself and his dad through lies.

I can't believe this case hasn't been solved yet after reading all that. Something must have gone either very wrong with the evidence collection at the crime scene early on or TK must have been exceptionally lucky in such a way that investigators never followed up with for years allowing him to destroy anything linking him to the murder scene.

JMO

I need to re-read the transcript to take it all in but along with everything written here, I was very interested in the line of questioning about how two devices, tracked through location data to the same residence, were both accessing the anthony shots Snapchat and Kik accounts in an alternating manner during the exact same time frame.

Multiple very telling things in this interview.

 

[zencompass]

Thank you for all of the updates and information. Greatly appreciated, as always.

In part 2 of the transcript, KAK infers that his friend in Vegas (named Friend1) could have been using the account when he was staying with him (KAK wasn't sure when it was - maybe 2017? maybe another year?)

I am hoping so much that "Friend 1" whom KAK states he stayed with in Vegas - will turn out to be a cooperative witness and provide L.E. with lots of information they need!

 

[TL4S]

I need to re-read the transcript to take it all in but along with everything written here, I was very interested in the line of questioning about how two devices, tracked through location data to the same residence, were both accessing the anthony shots Snapchat and Kik accounts in an alternating manner during the exact same time frame.

Multiple very telling things in this interview.

YES! That was significant, I think. Although the way KAK answered that question made it sound like it was commonplace for him to be using two phones at the same time. Hmm...

 

[FeelMyHeat]

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What is the Brumett thing???

Reading everything that the police laid out to KAK in that interview transcript such as

• Libby wanting to meet 'Anthony_shots' and being described as 'in love' with him
• 'Anthony_shots' sending her money and talking to her and her friends the weekend before the murders
  
• 'Anthony_shots' showing up in a ski mask outside the bedroom window of girl known to KAK
• 'Anthony_shots' messaging that he was supposed to meet Libby on the day she was killed
• KAK's alibi for him and his dad being totally taken apart from tracking his phone locations
• KAK's search history following the murders being all about how long DNA lasts, how social media can track IPs, details about the murders including the audio and photo
• KAK failing the polygraph question of him knowing who killed the girls

All I can say is that I am shocked that for at least the past two years LE has been bamboozled by an idiot. KAK comes off as incredibly unintelligent, 90% of what he says is "I don't know" and the other 10% is him implicating himself and his dad through lies.

I can't believe this case hasn't been solved yet after reading all that. Something must have gone either very wrong with the evidence collection at the crime scene early on or TK must have been exceptionally lucky in such a way that investigators never followed up with for years allowing him to destroy anything linking him to the murder scene.

JMO

 

[FeelMyHeat]

In my personal experience, Snapchat only allows me to be logged in on 1 device at a time and it auto logs you out if the account is signed in on another device.

I need to re-read the transcript to take it all in but along with everything written here, I was very interested in the line of questioning about how two devices, tracked through location data to the same residence, were both accessing the anthony shots Snapchat and Kik accounts in an alternating manner during the exact same time frame.

Multiple very telling things in this interview.

 

[Prime8]

In my personal experience, Snapchat only allows me to be logged in on 1 device at a time and it auto logs you out if the account is signed in on another device.

Good catch. I just found a blog post from 2018 that says it was true back then too.

 

[Yemelyan]

In my personal experience, Snapchat only allows me to be logged in on 1 device at a time and it auto logs you out if the account is signed in on another device.

Yes - and I have a feeling that's why KAK was trying to figure out how to lie (IMO) about it - suggesting that maybe he was using one device and then logging out and picking up and using a different one. I don't think LE were too keen on this explanation.

 

[Yemelyan]

I wonder who was using one of KAK's devices on the wifi at a house on Country Club Rd in Peru on (apparently) 2/13/17? And whose house that was?

I think the line of questioning about working on cars/interest in cars is significant. Perhaps relating to evidence found at the scene.

 

[FeelMyHeat]

I'm looking at Country Club Road on google maps, not a lot of houses....

I wonder who was using one of KAK's devices on the wifi at a house on Country Club Rd in Peru on (apparently) 2/13/17? And whose house that was?

I think the line of questioning about working on cars/interest in cars is significant. Perhaps relating to evidence found at the scene.

 

[Prime8]

I wonder who was using one of KAK's devices on the wifi at a house on Country Club Rd in Peru on (apparently) 2/13/17? And whose house that was?

Yeah, I got a little lost there. I feel like there was a discussion happening in between the lines that I wasn't picking up. Was it maybe Friend 2's house?

 

[MistyWaters]

In my personal experience, Snapchat only allows me to be logged in on 1 device at a time and it auto logs you out if the account is signed in on another device.

Was he using the iphone4 profile of emilyanne45 and the iphone5 anthony_shots profile? If so I don’t think Snapchat would have the ability to recognize the same person was behind the two accounts. A fake female profile might’ve been used in tandem of Anthony_shots so a victim was less suspicious. JMO

 

[FeelMyHeat]

IMO They are talking about the Anthony Shots account at that time.

Was he using the iphone4 profile of emilyanne45 and the iphone5 anthony_shots profile? If so I don’t think Snapchat would have the ability to recognize the same person was behind the two accounts. A fake female profile might’ve been used in tandem of Anthony_shots so a victim was less suspicious. JMO

 

[Yemelyan]

Was he using the iphone4 profile of emilyanne45 and the iphone5 anthony_shots profile? If so I don’t think Snapchat would have the ability to recognize the same person was behind the two accounts. A fake female profile might’ve been used in tandem of Anthony_shots so a victim was less suspicious. JMO

Because the interview is a bit confusing (I read a transcript) it seems that the investigators were alleging that in a particular time frame, two different devices -- which were both in located in the same residence --
were logging in and using the Anthony Shots profiles but in an alternating fashion, not at the exact same time. But logging in one right after the other, then switching again, multiple times -- which is very suspicious. Why would only one person be using two devices in this way?

LE also says that the pattern of writing/conversation on the Anthony Shots account is sometimes different enough that it appears more than one person is using it to communicate.

 

[MistyWaters]

Because the interview is a bit confusing (I read a transcript) it seems that the investigators were alleging that in a particular time frame, two different devices -- which were both in located in the same residence --
were logging in and using the Anthony Shots profiles but in an alternating fashion, not at the exact same time. But logging in one right after the other, then switching again, multiple times -- which is very suspicious. Why would only one person be using two devices in this way?

LE also says that the pattern of writing/conversation on the Anthony Shots account is sometimes different enough that it appears more than one person is using it to communicate.

Okay thanks for clarifying. I was recalling earlier comments regarding the overlap of two different devices used over the same period of time.