Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #143

[TL4S]

My notes say that Libby was at a sleepover where a member of the Galveston family also attended and that's where Libby talked to the Anthony Shots account. I don't think it was clear that this was the exact home where the masked peeper later appeared.

The masked peeper incident definitely occurred in Galveston, Indiana at the home of a family that KAK was very familiar with and he had even lived with them off and on at one point, according to the interview. One of KAK's devices had searched for the family on the internet on 2/19/17 which was one day before the family filed a police report about the peeping. The detective in the interview states "that's what started everything else last time," I believe referring to the search warrant that was issued at KAK's Peru home.

Pg 154 lines 12-20. With the names redacted, I'm having trouble following it. Whether the sleepover was in Galveston, or just the girl from that house was at the sleepover with L, it's all very closely connected. Very disturbing.

 

[Yemelyan]

Pg 154 lines 12-20. With the names redacted, I'm having trouble following it. Whether the sleepover was in Galveston, or just the girl from that house was at the sleepover with L, it's all very closely connected. Very disturbing.

Yes, very closely connected. If they didn't know these details before, Abby's and Libby's families and loved ones must be feeling devastated. I can see the strategy behind holding a lot of this info back from them (if it was).

 

[Prime8]

Pg 154 lines 12-20. With the names redacted, I'm having trouble following it. Whether the sleepover was in Galveston, or just the girl from that house was at the sleepover with L, it's all very closely connected. Very disturbing.

I'm confused too. Where is the info coming from that the Galveston girl was with LG the weekend before. And then the Galveston incident with the masked man happened after the murders?

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I have nothing to add, just wanted to say that I am glad to see you all discussing this on here. I can not read these latest documents and I appreciate everyone that is making points and explaining what is in them. Thank you!

 

[Tealgrove]

So much to digest.

There’s a lot going on here.

 

[Rush4087]

I read the transcript. Here's a few more things I noted:

• KAK says he has a Grand Am, and mentions going places, but he later says he doesn't have a license.
• KAK denies, multiple times, using the iPhone 3 in 2015. He claims he used it in high school. Most of the very young CSAM is from that 2015/2016 time. A lot of the 12+ stuff seems to coincide with KAK and he doesn't deny it.
• Pg. 67-70. It's exchanges from "emilyanne" with another girl who says she's 13. This conversation goes back and forth about her being with an older man at different ages (like would she have been willing to be with a 37 yo when she was 10). This is fairly consistent with TK's age in that timeframe, I think.
• Pg. 74. Yeah....dad wants to "taste panties." Enough said.

So...I'm really curious about the "signatures" now.

One last thing. I thought I had misunderstood during the podcast, but I get the same impression reading the transcripts. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

• L did have the sleepover at the "Smith" house? The same place the guy with the ski mask was reported days after the murders? A_shots was communicating with her and L? That's freaking scary. Was this the same girl who was supposed to go to the bridge with L and A, but couldn't? Was she also a target?

Link to transcript?

 

[IceIce9]

Quite a few of us had suspected from early on that social media and/or catfishing played a role in the murders. While it is difficult to keep up with all this new information it definitely appears that it is all closely connected. MOO

 

[Barbieshell]

I just hope that LE have thoroughly checked out friend 1 and friend 2 whoever they are.
Maybe the day is coming soon folks, fingers crossed.

 

[Silver_produce0]

Quite a few of us had suspected from early on that social media and/or catfishing played a role in the murders. While it is difficult to keep up with all this new information it definitely appears that it is all closely connected. MOO

I honestly cannot believe this is real. I am extremely excited (in an optimistic and hopeful)l way) that this is going to be resolved.

 

[abams]

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Here are links to the pods discussing (through excerpts) the 194-page interview transcript from KAK's Aug 2020 arrest for anyone interested:

Part 1, Part 2

 

[Tealgrove]

I just hope that LE have thoroughly checked out friend 1 and friend 2 whoever they are.
Maybe the day is coming soon folks, fingers crossed.

I think thinks are definitely heating up.

I was up 1/2 the night pouring over the document.

There really is a lot take in and think about.

 

[Silver_produce0]

One of KAK's devices had searched for the family on the internet on 2/19/17 which was one day before the family filed a police report about the peeping. The detective in the interview states "that's what started everything else last time," I believe referring to the search warrant that was issued at KAK's Peru home.

RSBM

This is so damning in my eyes. Someone using that device is BG. Whether that is TK, KAK or Friend 1/2.

 

[TL4S]

Quite a few of us had suspected from early on that social media and/or catfishing played a role in the murders. While it is difficult to keep up with all this new information it definitely appears that it is all closely connected. MOO

LE asked KAK multiple times if maybe L had told him they were going to the High Bridge and then he told somebody else. I wonder if LE has digital evidence of L communicating that to a_shots.

 

[TL4S]

Yeah, I've listened to TMS re-telling of the transcript and reading it now. I do not yet see information regarding when the Galveston incident took place, or how that connects to the friend LG was having a sleepover with being that same person.

In the interview, when the ski mask incident is first discussed, iirc, they list the incident as happening on 2/20/17. When they are talking about the "Smith" family, KAK refers to staying with them in Galveston (IN). Then LE says there was a search for that family's name, on KAK's phone, the day before that incident. KAK goes on to say that the girl already wanted to sleep with him, so he could have just gone over there and had her if he wanted...no need to peer through her window wearing a ski mask. I'm summarizing, of course, and can't go back to find it at the moment, but it's all kind of scattered throughout the interview. The part about them being at the sleepover together is brought up closer to the end, page 154, lines 12-20.

 

[scapa]

Here are links to the pods discussing (through excerpts) the 194-page interview transcript from KAK's Aug 2020 arrest for anyone interested:

Part 1, Part 2

There are also a few careful recaps available elsewhere for those who would prefer not to have to listen or even scroll through some of the more graphic CSAM material that is referenced in these interviews.

This is very ugly stuff. Hard to avoid the possible implications for the murders of Libby and Abby.

 

[Tealgrove]

Yeah, honestly, I don't think KAK is as dumb as some people have suggested. He catches on to where LE is going with things on several occasions. I mean, he's following the conversation well. I'm not saying he's the brightest star in the sky, but he's bright enough.

I agree but he can only say I don’t remember for so long. He gets caught in his lies on several occasions.

The interviewers are good. I know where they are going with their questions.

It’s almost comical to listen to KAK try to explain away things found on his phone.

MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I honestly cannot believe this is real. I am extremely excited (in an optimistic and hopeful)l way) that this is going to be resolved.

I’m hopeful to but the August 2020 interview was more than a year and a half ago. I’d be a lot more optimistic if it had occurred last month instead. If LE were able to connect KAK or somebody close to him they must not have any direct evidence. But maybe this will prompt someone who knows something to come forward.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yeah, honestly, I don't think KAK is as dumb as some people have suggested. He catches on to where LE is going with things on several occasions. I mean, he's following the conversation well. I'm not saying he's the brightest star in the sky, but he's bright enough.

I’d guess anyone who’s been involved at catfishing for as long as he and to that degree has became highly versed at lying.

 

[scapa]

I agree but he can only say I don’t remember for so long. He gets caught in his lies on several occasions.

The interviewers are good. I know where they are going with their questions.

It’s almost comical to listen to KAK try to explain away things found on his phone.

MOO

Agree that the interviewers are up to the task. It's well-managed it in terms of changes of pace and the use of what they already know to steer him back onto the path they want him to stay on, while letting him trip over himself and his previous lies.

I find myself going back to that early info about Abby and Libby sharing an interest in criminology, and wondering to what extent this "catfishing" might have been an attempt to apply that interest and their knowledge to the a_shots accounts and interactions.

So not catfishing but something like "catfishcatcatfishing," where more than one trap is set.

I agree with other posters that this new material pushes the original "random act of violence" theory a bit further into the shade. Maybe, but there seems to have been a nexus of criminal activity around these accounts that plausibly sets the stage for (at least) these horrendous murders.

 

[TL4S]

I’d guess anyone who’s been involved at catfishing for as long as he and to that degree has became highly versed at lying.

Right. I noted that the only two triggers to get him cussing and upset were the explicit details of very young children, and the murders. Somehow, those two things were far worse than what he admitted to doing himself. Was that because it really did cross a line for him, or because he didn't want to admit to crossing it.