Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #96

[taximama24]

All of my sleuthing isn't to solve the crime. It's to find out what LE knows that they are not telling us! I'm nosey like that.

AMEN...and because time spent here is much better than say, on CNN.com

 

[sloane7777]

I believe they were targeted in the fact that they were in the area that a predator was lurking and they fit his fantasy.

I don't believe that its very likely they were targeted on social media or digitally in general

With Fbi digital forensics definitely involved with this case I think its highly unlikely it could have been done in a way that they wouldn't have uncovered some link

And I just don't get the feeling that the girls knew who this guy was JMO

BBM; or recognized him!!

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It would be interesting to hear what a body language expert would say about the body language presented at the last press conference.

 

[MistyWaters]

let me ask a question ; so they get a lot of tips from basically everyone who watched the PC and thinks they have figured out who this guy is say for example we all sent tips in saying it was a certain guy , would this be enough to force that certain guy to give DNA ?

The problem with crime solving by DNA, what if the murderer didn’t leave any trace of DNA behind? One only has to google to learn everything they might want to know regarding all the ways a good DNA sample is recovered from a crime scene, it’s no longer a secret science. While we know DNA has been recovered, but considering touch DNA can be found everywhere, on our bodies, on every object, what we don’t know is if LE are certain they have a sample of the murderers DNA. Even if they don’t, evidence of DNA is not required to successfully prosecute.

My opinion only, I don’t think this case will be solved by DNA alone.

 

[Tealgrove]

Well, hypothetically speaking, if I was covering for my son, husband, brother, nephew, cousin, neighbor, ex-boyfriend, etc. and figured with that current sketch going around and nothing "new" happening, I might feel pretty secure they will never get caught and I could keep covering for him. But, the new sketch comes out and.....whoa......what do I do?? Do I keep covering for him and risk going to jail myself? Now I'm nervous.....and trying to decide what to do....

MOO

Exactly!

It was easy to hide when a sketch of someone that looked nothing like you was out there.

Now LE claims that "this is the killer" and we have a new sketch. Well, if I'm a family member and I have thoughts that "maybe" someone in my family is the guy, I now have a dilemma. What do you do? It looks like so and so and you start putting a few things together and bam!

For the person who goes to LE with suspicions about a family member it's got to be horrible. You risk being ostracized from your family forever. It's a bad place to be. If you're right it's bad. If you're wrong, it's got to be even worse. Just imagine outing a family member and being wrong!

If BG is being protected by family (IF), there has to be a point where the protection stops. Maybe close family will continue to protect, but maybe a cousin, aunt, uncle will do the deed.

Personally, I think a friend will probably do him in.

 

[crhedBngr]

But don't you think if he has half of a brain cell, that his devices
are already burned or at the bottom of a very deep lake?

Probably.

 

[sloane7777]

No. There is probably nothing that we have turned up, that LE have not already known for some time before that last PC.....moo

Will tips at least get him questioned again possibility ?

 

[gitana1]

A Parabon genetic data profile and a public genetic genealogy database cracked another cold case Sunday with the arrest of a guy who discarded a cigarette butt in February.

Tossed cigarette leads to arrest in cold case rape, murder of Washington woman

I wonder if there's someone who has a family member who wanted to do the Ancestry DNA test but they discouraged the family member from doing it.

I also wonder if they've asked people for DNA who have refused to give it.

 

[zencompass]

(I should take a break...)

Dear kizzykat,

Instead of "taking a break", why not move into this thread like the rest of us have?

Guaranteed nice neighbors !

 

[TTF14]

I wonder if there's someone who has a family member who wanted to do the Ancestry DNA test but they discouraged the family member from doing it.

I also wonder if they've asked people for DNA who have refused to give it.

It wouldn't be weird to advise someone not to do it. I have had lots of conversations with folks who say "no way, I'd never put my DNA out there like that" and there's nothing nefarious about it. So, entirely possible!

 

[ab01]

All of my sleuthing isn't to solve the crime. It's to find out what LE knows that they are not telling us! I'm nosey like that.

Agreed its also interesting to learn how and why Investigators do the things that they do.

As well as get a better understanding about how these monsters work and what makes them tick

I have no expectations about ever putting a puzzle together when the majority of the pieces are held by investigators

I just enjoy using rational and logical understanding about cases and how the crime likely unfolded
MOO

 

[zencompass]

...
Personally, I think a friend will probably do him in.

Dear Tealgrove,

I agree - a friend, an acquaintance, a neighbor...

Maybe this week they will call in "that tip" that LE needs to pull this investigation together and move towards an arrest.

Also, at first I thought it highly unlikely that the perpetrator "confessed" to someone but it's not really that far away from a real possibility.

 

[ab01]

The problem with crime solving by DNA, what if the murderer didn’t leave any trace of DNA behind? One only has to google to learn everything they might want to know regarding all the ways a good DNA sample is recovered from a crime scene, it’s no longer a secret science. While we know DNA has been recovered, but considering touch DNA can be found everywhere, on our bodies, on every object, what we don’t know is if LE are certain they have a sample of the murderers DNA. Even if they don’t, evidence of DNA is not required to successfully prosecute.

My opinion only, I don’t think this case will be solved by DNA alone.

And many cases rarely are exclusively solved by Dna

Huge public misconception

 

[gitana1]

let me ask a question ; so they get a lot of tips from basically everyone who watched the PC and thinks they have figured out who this guy is say for example we all sent tips in saying it was a certain guy , would this be enough to force that certain guy to give DNA ?

You can't force anyone to give a DNA sample in the US without a probable cause search warrant. As an example, "I think this one guy seems weird, he's religious, which for me fits a profile, I think he's had mental health issues and to me he looks somewhat like the sketch, plus he may have had a vehicle near the scene" is not probable cause.

It's also not really a tip because as @cody22 said, LE already knows everything we think is relevatory news. And has for some time.

Probable cause would be: "You know that guy everyone keeps gossiping about in Indiana? He told me he did something he's ashamed of. He told me he hurt some kids. He said his family knows and has been trying to help him cover it up but his conscience is bothering him."

Now there's likely enough probable cause for a warrant for someone's DNA.

 

[zencompass]

In my opinion, whoever did this horrid crime must have received scratches or bruises from this. And if so, someone in their life would have noticed this.

 

[ab01]

Will tips at least get him questioned again possibility ?

specific tips from someone that can place an individual there (etc I know joe blow was parked their that day and this is his vehicle) on that day and or denote changes in appearance or outward behavior. ABSOLUTELY

Random tip from absolute strangers on the internet, highly unlikely

 

[ab01]

I wonder if there's someone who has a family member who wanted to do the Ancestry DNA test but they discouraged the family member from doing it.

I also wonder if they've asked people for DNA who have refused to give it.

If they have I bet Investigators have used other means to collect a covert sample. Disposed cigarette, water bottle etc. Investigators are very cunning like that

 

[MistyWaters]

No. There is probably nothing that we have turned up, that LE have not already known for some time before that last PC.....moo

Several posters commented here, how the original sketch wasn’t a prominent focus during the 2 year anniversary in February.

Other than people looking online for “cyber suspects” who now believe they were led astray, I’m quite certain LE changed directions quite some time ago.

 

[Tealgrove]

Dear Tealgrove,

I agree - a friend, an acquaintance, a neighbor...

Maybe this week they will call in "that tip" that LE needs to pull this investigation together and move towards an arrest.

Also, at first I thought it highly unlikely that the perpetrator "confessed" to someone but it's not really that far away from a real possibility.

If there's one thing I have learned is that NOTHING is outside the realm of possibility.

The stranger it seems sometimes, the most likely it is.

I followed the Tim Bosma case here in Canada. I live close to Tim. I knew the killer's father. I had heard the stories and followed on Websleuths. We had all kinds of different reasons and theories. I'll never forget, following on Day 1 of the Trial, when the Crown submitted that the crime was all about stealing a truck. You could have knocked me over with a feather. It was all about the truck. Seriously?

BG could be anyone, from any walk of life. All we really know now is that he's way younger than we thought. I think we are all going to be blown away when they finally bring him down.

BG could be anyone.

MOO

 

[Rural_PC]

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