IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[whiskers]

O/T For those who have followed the Thomas kidnapping. She has been found and Cummins is under arrest.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/35200324/...n-northern-california-former-teacher-arrested

Yay!!!!!!!!! FINALLY

 

[ocgrad]

Thank you for such a wonderful post

It's so hard to wrap my head around the gun culture in America as here if I saw somebody with a gun you wouldn't see me for dust. It would prettify me so it's so intriguing to read all these posts on here.

So thank you everybody for your views

I think most people feel that way too. I live in Dallas TX, people carry guns all around me, but I have only seen 2 people ever carry a gun openly in a public space. And I was not comfortable.

I'm fairly certain that if the girls saw a gun, even without visible large knife sheaths, etc, they would be alarmed. It's possible for people who have keen situational awareness would be alarmed by a person reaching the way he seems to me to be doing. My husband watches for movements like that. Maybe that also concerned Libby and made her hit video.

 

[Floridian]

Never was, still is not to me. Jmo

Agreed 100%
Who is the "cemetery worker"?

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[kizzykat]

Yes, agree 100%, had it typed out but don't need to post since you said it so well. I also feel this guy doesn't have a LTCH in Indiana (nor is he legally licensed in a different state that has reciprocity with IN). He's just far too sloppy about concealing it. Plus his fingerprints would be on file which would add yet another big risk to the pile of big risks he took that day. All MHO.

My husband and many guys I know carry daily, no matter where. But no one I know carries a weapon blatantly inside a jacket like that. Most guys who have carry permits don't agree with the open carry laws and don't do it. Open carry is very scarce, even here in TX. Now the one gun we see under his windbreaker is concealed, sort of. Normal guys who carry daily work to get a good fitting holster so it is totally concealed. That's because they don't want to be alarming. They just want to be prepared for that random act of violence. So yes, seeing someone with a gun is not normal even in an area where a lot of people carry a gun.
But I believe this guy is loaded with weapons. I think some of the wierd areas we can't figure out are possibly where he was carrying exposed weapons. Anyone who would carry a gun so the outline is visible under a windbreaker would also have a long knife sheath against their left leg, perhaps even an AR over their right shoulder or arm (where the image appears cut and spliced) not to mention multiple clips.

IMO law abiding citizens get concealed carry permits so they can be prepared for random acts of violence, for protection of themselves and others against the threat of bad guys. Bad guys rarely get carry permits.

 

[asyousay]

If this turns out to be RL I will hold my hands up and say I was completely wrong.

But I would also say he is the worst criminal ever. Goes on tv in similar outfit , dumps the bodies on his property.

Draws attention to himself by going on tv and talking about the crime.

He is now in jail for 3 years as he can't lie and he got caught breaking probation on top of it so the crime he would of committed would of also meant he got caught breaking his probation as well.


Why would he do that ?


I think he is a sad lonely old man who likes a drink and unfortunately thought it was a good time to gain some attention with the media sniffing around.

:moo:

 

[ab01]

Really as photo B the person looks older and photo A looks broader to me


ETA - also A has longer legs and B has a longer chest to make up for shorter legs.

It always makes me chuckle when it keeps getting pointed out about the length of the waist and legs in comparison photos. Unless you can see the belt line beneath the coats there is know way of telling. Blows my mind that this keeps being stated as fact over and over....moo you can't tell, there is no evidence to show different waist lines in those two photos.....grrrrr


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Edit to add: one has a longer coat on than the other....

 

[Floridian]

"not a suspect" how much clearer do you need? By this logic, everyone is a suspect. I haven't seen them publicly clear Skeletor and in some photo's it could look like him.

Dropping hints all along the way.. Moo just read. Moo

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[Floridian]

Can we look into cemetery worker? Can anybody find anything? Or is it hush??

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[WebSight]

I'm really glad this came up again while I'm actually online because I wanted to ask if you think it's possible his shoulder & arm are also misaligned on that side, giving us a distorted idea re his true build?

Way back in the threads people thought that uniform dark area was a stripe on his jacket, but maybe it's just slightly out of line too? If you look at it symmetry-wise, he does seem bulkier on one side?

Hi antechinusRAWR. I personally feel there is a lot going on there that isn't right. I have been working with that very issue. When I realigned the face, it was easy. There was an actual line that showed the misalignment and I just put that part of the face back where it belonged. But the right side of his jacket has no clear line that I can see. I don't feel I should just arbitrarily move the arm up and over even though I think it would be more accurate. I have tried a bit and other parts become distorted.

I kept staring and it popped in my mind that his head is awfully small for the build he supposedly has. First, I believe that his jacket is too big, perhaps on purpose and second, it appears to be full of stuff (imo, while he may as well have a bit of a belly, the larger part of the bulge, to me, is sagging as if carrying items inside the jacket and the weight has caused the items to drop low).

So I zoomed in and in and in to where the black met the blue to see the actual outline of his jacket. I believe what we are seeing is a lot of "noise" created from the layers used to create the still from a moving video. For example, the "stripe" that you see is really just layers overlapping creating a shadow effect, I think. So when you unzoom you get an overall impression that that is his size.

The other thing that bothered me was his stance. Like you say that right side seems off. However, I had quite the shock when I was doing that video recreation with my daughter, she had the exact same stance! In the picture below, notice how her right shoulder droops, the right arm seems oddly long and angled weird compared with the left bent arm, even though both hands are in the pockets. Also notice the bottom of her shirt and the angle from left to right. So, the alignment or symmetry of his body seems correct in this particular shot, imo.

Regarding his size, I decided to very carefully remove all the dark shadowing or pixel duplication. I started working out to in. As I removed a layer of shadow I would l see if there was another layer to be removed, then removed it. Same with the duplicates. I am not the first one to do this but here is my version of BG's possible size. His head seems more proportionate to his body, imo, yet all I did was remove shadows and duplicate images.

I am a novice at this picture stuff. I have no experience working with pictures and just put them out there for your consideration. Feel free to oke:!!

 

[Burnt Toast]

Exactly! I was actually going to type that someone should call Tobe and ask him.

i am sure LE is well aware that the public would like to know if he was been cleared in any involvement in the double homicide. After all it was LE on the day of the search that said one of the possible outcomes of the search was that he could be cleared, and if he was a suspect they wouldn't tell us anyway.

 

[mi_hiker]

Apologize if this has been posted before but I found it interesting. Discusses the establishment of the Deer Creek Valley Rural Historic District and its listing on the National Register of Historic Places in 2002. It's 65 pages long so not a light read. Most of the property surrounding the bridge (including RL's) are included.

https://npgallery.nps.gov/GetAsset?assetID=e8cd4d1a-7603-4395-b97e-19e6f0201b9a

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[Deleted member 102539]

Yes, I have always felt he had something on his left thigh, never personally bought the theory that flat section was due to pixelation. I think that guy is carrying something there, either under or on top his jeans. (If on top his jeans LE photoshopped it out?) I was thinking something with a blade because the way the bottom of the 'sheath' seems to curve just above his knee (if it's a sheath). Seems to me he's loaded with weapons. MOO

Link again for what we're referring to: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=115392

I saw something dangeling and swinging to and fro half behind BG's left leg. Looks like a long empty pouch (maybe transparent) with something in it only at the bottom. You will recognize it more clear in the gif with animated 2 pics of the perp. It's blurred but one can see the difference when BG "walks".

 

[Lilowlet]

Biggest, weirdest nose ever.

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Just reading through. I agree. I'm starting to believe LE wants someone to recognize the nose itself 👃. It's the only thing I'm half sure about the guy has a recognizable schnoz. IMO always

 

[Bemused]

What if BG didn't necessarily have murder on his mind on Feb 13th? Let's suppose he's wandering the trail areas looking for someone to SA. Let's further assume he came from the north end of the bridge, passed Abby and Libby, and then doubled back and that's where the girls got the creepy vibe and Libby begins recording. We don't know if she was talking to Abby or simply narrating, either, if she said anything.

Let's assume he ordered the girls down the hill with SA on his mind, leads them across the creek and far enough from the bridge to have privacy to do his deeds, the girls resisted, he quickly murders both and gets out of Dodge ASAP.

What if forensic evidence from RL was found on the girls like RL's dog's hair because that dog looks like it runs all over? Alibis aren't checking out, for whatever reason, but LE can't clear RL yet without more sophisticated re-testing? What if he's a neighbor of RL who may have left his own DNA on RL's property? IMO

 

[mi_hiker]

Apologize if this has been posted before but I found it interesting. Discusses the establishment of the Deer Creek Valley Rural Historic District and its listing on the National Register of Historic Places in 2002. It's 65 pages long so not a light read. Most of the property surrounding the bridge (including RL's) are included.

https://npgallery.nps.gov/GetAsset?assetID=e8cd4d1a-7603-4395-b97e-19e6f0201b9a

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One of the things I find interesting is labeled as 2 on the attached photo.

It describes a corn crib style barn that is apparently still standing. The photo below is from 1900 and I'd be curious to know if remnants are still there. If so, it could be a very convenient spot to hide out in. Very close to bridge and no houses nearby.

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[MistyWaters]

Agreed 100%
Who is the "cemetery worker"?

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A lot of times cemeteries are tended by a local group of volunteers forming a cemetery committee, not necessarily only one person is involved in keeping it operational and tidy. But I have no idea how the cemetery in Delphi is operated.

Do you have reason to know there's an actual "cemetery worker"?


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[Jax49]

Just two days ago LE again asked for tips to try to identify Bridge Guy. Odd request if they know who he is...

 

[whiskers]

The area with crime scene tape is bigger than I thought. In the beginning people said it wasn't a big area, so I always assumed it was small-ish.

However, now that I re-watch some of the Indiana news reports, crime scene tape extends wider than I initially realized. It's not massive, but it's also not simply a little square patch.

 

[ocgrad]

So do you think Libby and Abby would have felt uneasy or scared if they saw BG on the trail/bridge and noticed he had a gun (assuming he was just simply walking by and minding his own business), or do you think it would have been a common part of their culture to see men carrying weapons in the outdoors and therefore they wouldn't have felt threatened?

I guess it might be possible if he had an old school deer rifle, like a .22 with a wood stock, they might not be alarmed much. I don't know the hunting culture of their families but for sure it is very popular in their region, undoubtedly they had friends at school who have deer rifles. These newer AR's are different, they look like their name, Assault Rifle, even though many are using them for hunting, but anyone would be uncomfortable if they saw someone coming with one or a blatant handgun for that matter. Normal, gun toting folks don't walk around with their guns showing. IMO.

 

[Floridian]

A lot of times cemeteries are tended by a local group of volunteers forming a cemetery committee, not necessarily only one person is involved in keeping it operational and tidy. But I have no idea how the cemetery in Delphi is operated.

Do you have reason to know there's an actual "cemetery worker"?


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I'm pretty sure that one is by one man.. I was hoping someone had researched who it is..

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