IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Molecularblonde]

I am a Realtor so I wanted to share my opinion based on my experience and the law in my state. Properties like this are referred to as "stigmatized" properties. The value is often lower because less people are willing to purchase a property where a tragic event has occurred.

Laws vary from State to State. In my State, a death does not have to be disclosed unless whatever occurred is still considered an active investigation. My State views "disclosable" items to be those items that are "material defects" - physical defects which affect a property's condition.

I had a Buyer for a property where a murder-suicide occurred - it was actually referred to as "the murder-suicide house" because it was a beautiful, tranquil horse farm that seemed one of the last places you would expect to see a man kick in the door and fire 9 bullets into his wife before killing himself as their three small children fled the house. In this case the Seller wanted the Buyer to know what happened so the Buyer wouldn't cancel the Contract prior to closing if they found out.

These Buyers were OK with buying the property anyway, but I've had other Buyers who won't even consider a property where there has been a murder. These properties often sit vacant for long periods of time, and oddly enough some never seem to be able to free themselves of the negative aura. My son's girlfriend's grandmother was the final victim in a triple murder suicide in 1979. A man killed his wife and 15 y/o daughter as they slept, then waited until morning when their 27 y/o neighbor came over to carpool to work with the wife. He then killed the neighbor and himself. The neighbor left behind a 4 y/o - my son's girlfriend's mom.

The house was eventually sold, for a very reduced price. That owner sold it at a loss several years later. The next owner lost it to foreclosure. Even though it's been almost 40 years, the negative feeling about the home lingers.

Fascinating!
Thank you for sharing this!

 

[Molecularblonde]

Any average men about? How far could you walk from the bridge and the crime scene in 15 minutes if you were walking at a decent pace, given the topography and assume in all directions. I mean both from the bridge and the crime scene. TIA

I am not a male...
But Bemused, from what little I know, and this is solely coming from the YouTube videos, the area around the crime scene is relatively flat compared with that at the end of the bridge. So, presumably one could walk a farther distance leaving the crime scene?


Would you tell us why you ask?
It would be neat to see how your pistons are firing!

 

[Boxeador]

Hello - I heard there was something new happening? New initials, does anyone know about this?


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[MHCH]

Does anyone know if the following day (February 14th) was also a day off from school?

Answering this just incase it didnt get answered i still have 20 pages to catch up on.

Yes... they had school the following day. They did however have the previous Friday off.

So 2/10 & 2/13 no school
2/14 school

 

[Bemused]

Thank you for circling that!
okay, I was looking at a spot lower and to the right of what you circled. In retrospect, I think what I was looking at is a shirt collar or some type of coat collar that is flared upward. Anyway.

Yes, IMHO, that certainly looks like grey or blonde hair. But it is not mid ear length, as I had thought originally.

Bemused, doesn't it look like a sideburn of some sort? Albeit a longish one?

Thoughts please!

It does to me but the picture of below the bridge looked like nothing most people saw so I have no idea. I didn't see a car or a man or anything else, just optical illusions, IMO. It looks like light hair and sideburns to me as well. It definitely does not look dark to me.

 

[DeDee]

Hello - I heard there was something new happening? New initials, does anyone know about this?


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Where would we hear this new something that's happening? Do I go to Twitter, FB, news? Help!

 

[Molecularblonde]

It does to me but the picture of below the bridge looked like nothing most people saw so I have no idea. I didn't see a car or a man or anything else, just optical illusions, IMO. It looks like light hair and sideburns to me as well. It definitely does not look dark to me.

Yes, it certainly does look like light hair. I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean about the car? What pic below the bridge?

 

[Dawning3]

It does to me but the picture of below the bridge looked like nothing most people saw so I have no idea. I didn't see a car or a man or anything else, just optical illusions, IMO. It looks like light hair and sideburns to me as well. It definitely does not look dark to me.

But, what about the other picture? Since they look completely different, it's hard to know what's real.


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[Bemused]

I am not a male...
But Bemused, from what little I know, and this is solely coming from the YouTube videos, the area around the crime scene is relatively flat compared with that at the end of the bridge. So, presumably one could walk a farther distance leaving the crime scene?


Would you tell us why you ask?
It would be neat to see how your pistons are firing!

Just curious because I'd like to keep an open mind and see how far someone could walk those distances. Since a car seems unlikely in that terrain and if I assume it's a local like I think. Nothing specific, sadly.

If LE would only call I'd ask a bunch of questions. What would your top ten list be if you could ask Doug Carter and Tobe Leazenby on a conference call?

 

[Burnt Toast]

Hello - I heard there was something new happening? New initials, does anyone know about this?


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what are the initials?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I've been trying to figure this one out before I posted it. This shirt to me seems to be either from NY PD Blue or GhostHunters, I'm not sure. I'm not a big TV show fan, so can anyone help me out here??

 

[BarryManilow]

Hello - I heard there was something new happening? New initials, does anyone know about this?


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From where is this something new coming from?

 

[cluciano63]

Just FYI, page numbers depend on individual settings, members choice. So your page number may not match mine. Post numbers are a more accurate way to locate a post...

 

[Burnt Toast]

Just curious because I'd like to keep an open mind and see how far someone could walk those distances. Since a car seems unlikely in that terrain and if I assume it's a local like I think. Nothing specific, sadly.

If LE would only call I'd ask a bunch of questions. What would your top ten list be if you could ask Doug Carter and Tobe Leazenby on a conference call?

i would ask what the probable cause was to search RL's, and i would like to know if they found what they were looking for.

 

[fruity]

Hello - I heard there was something new happening? New initials, does anyone know about this?


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It is not new. It was posted on a April 10 in the scanner thread. You will need to go there to find out.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Scanner-Thread/page24&p=13301048#post13301048

Page 24, post 346

 

[Molecularblonde]

Just curious because I'd like to keep an open mind and see how far someone could walk those distances. Since a car seems unlikely in that terrain and if I assume it's a local like I think. Nothing specific, sadly.

If LE would only call I'd ask a bunch of questions. What would your top ten list be if you could ask Doug Carter and Tobe Leazenby on a conference call?

That's an excellent point: it seems almost impossible for someone to have used a car to get to the area of this crime.Or, at least, (and this is just my opinion) they parked their car very far away, and walked back to it. I don't know if we are allowed to "trust" the YouTube videos that we have seen, but they certainly show a variety in terms of topography as well as issues with various terrain types.

One question that would be paramount to me, is what was the cause of death?

And, not to hijack your thread, but why did LE reveal the cause of death in the Missy Beaver's homicide and not in this case?

 

[antechinusRAWR]

I've missed out on replying to a LOT of posts on many subjects due to timezones & the thread lockdowns, but this one seems to come up in some form in every single thread, so I'm going to roll a whole heap of replies into this one post re the debate over whether the man at BB Rd & others were "cleared" while RL was not.

The news articles that went further & described the subjects of the BB Rd search warrant as "cleared" came after the LE statements of "not a suspect at this time". Local media went further a week or so later only because the rumours & accusations about Bicycle Bridge Rd still hadn't stopped & the family in that home were terrified. Local media did much the same when the accusations continued against RL after the police issued "not a suspect at this time" statements about him.

Those who haven't followed the case outside of WS from the start may be unaware of what it was like when that warrant was served but the man at Bicycle Bridge Rd was subjected to many of the same rumours & accusations as RL

ie :

- he must be involved or they wouldn't have probable cause
- if he didn't do it himself he must know who did & he's protecting them
- it was his adult son or someone else he knows & he's covering for a child killer
- if he's not a suspect why were so many officers involved in the search
- why were they there for so long unless they knew what they were looking for
- why would they execute the warrant "urgently" at that time of night unless they had something big on him
- if it's not him why did media show photos of police removing multiple boxes of evidence from his house
- why were media there at all unless police know he's involved
- they want us to know they know or they wouldn't have tipped off media & let them stand around filming the search all night
- people insisted "pfft he hasn't been cleared at all - they said "at this time so obviously they're just not charging him yet because they're waiting for the lab results to come back on the stuff they removed from his house" etc, etc, etc.

Sound familiar?

The only reason those "not a suspect at this time" statements were even made was the insane reaction to that search warrant. The family started being approached on soc med by strangers. Some wanted to befriend them to try & get the dirt on their family members, other people were sending a of threats & abuse. There was such an onslaught that the family deactivated their accounts in fear & then even that was seen as a sign of guilt.

The first warning to leave the family alone & not listen to online theories about the crime came from a page run by Carroll County's emergency dispatchers. When their warning failed to calm the situation & the family's home started to be vandalised & targeted in real life, then the "not a suspect at this time" statements were finally issued by police themselves.

IMO all LE involved in this investigation were completely unprepared for the public response to that search warrant. They're used to going about their work without having to worry about every word, facial expression & mannerism being analysed & (mis)interpreted by thousands of people. They learnt their lesson - & IMO that's why they addressed media quickly when RL's warrant was served. IMO that's also the only reason RL was accompanied to court by senior officers with the most experience in fielding media queries. The extreme reaction to the man at Bicycle Bridge Rd & several other men who've fallen under public suspicion is probably also behind the level of security given to RL at court. Police have a responsibility to protect people & property, especially when they may come under threat as the result of police enquiries.


It should not be assumed that police tipped off media re RL's search warrant. Journalists have the same access to police scanners as the rest of us. They're also capable of recruiting tipsters or parking near police buildings & watching for movement.

It's also important to note that several people have been the subject of accusations as the result of police activities in this investigation, but so far only two men have had police issue statements on their behalf. Only one man has had police statements issued on his behalf repeatedly & while one or two of those statements also contained ambiguous detail, they all contained detail that could be considered to clear the subject as well. Therefore the bulk of police statements re RL point to him not being a suspect.

In any case, the only LE issued statements re BB Rd are "not a suspect at this time".

I'm not here to push for suspicion of one name over another because we have nowhere near enough detail to single out any one person.

My point is that either "not a suspect at this time" clears everyone LE applied it to, or it clears no-one.

It cannot be both.

 

[Molecularblonde]

That's an excellent point: it seems almost impossible for someone to have used a car to get to the area of this crime.Or, at least, (and this is just my opinion) they parked their car very far away, and walked back to it. I don't know if we are allowed to "trust" the YouTube videos that we have seen, but they certainly show a variety in terms of topography as well as issues with various terrain types.

One question that would be paramount to me, is what was the cause of death?

And, not to hijack your thread, but why did LE reveal the cause of death in the Missy Beaver's homicide and not in this case?

Sorry again Bemused, not trying to get off your intial point!
It feels like it has to be a local in this case...or perhaps somewith with access to a local property.

 

[Bemused]

A man who's in shape could walk about 4 mi per hour

So a mile in 15 even in that terrain? Thanks

 

[Molecularblonde]

RAWR-

Excellent post...
(Saying very sheepishly...)
Who exactly is BB road man?
Can you send a link to an article?
Sorry in advance!