IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Yvettea]

So a mile in 15 even in that terrain? Thanks

The terrain makes it tougher of course but not so much for a well- incentivized male.

 

[Molecularblonde]

So a mile in 15 even in that terrain? Thanks

I feel that is questionable unless a person was already familiar with that terrain. I am a runner and *knowing* a trail in advance is immensely helpful in terms of speed and time.

JMOO!

 

[Bemused]

Yes, it certainly does look like light hair. I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean about the car? What pic below the bridge?

There was a photo of below the bridge (taken from standing on it, iirc) and people saw all kinds of things I never did.

 

[fruity]

I've missed out on replying to a LOT of posts on many subjects due to timezones & the thread lockdowns, but this one seems to come up in some form in every single thread, so I'm going to roll a whole heap of replies into this one post re the debate over whether the man at BB Rd & others were "cleared" while RL was not.

The news articles that went further & described the subjects of the BB Rd search warrant as "cleared" came after the LE statements of "not a suspect at this time". Local media went further a week or so later only because the rumours & accusations about Bicycle Bridge Rd still hadn't stopped & the family in that home were terrified. Local media did much the same when the accusations continued against RL after the police issued "not a suspect at this time" statements about him.

Those who haven't followed the case outside of WS from the start may be unaware of what it was like when that warrant was served but the man at Bicycle Bridge Rd was subjected to many of the same rumours & accusations as RL

ie :

- he must be involved or they wouldn't have probable cause
- if he didn't do it himself he must know who did & he's protecting them
- it was his adult son or someone else he knows & he's covering for a child killer
- if he's not a suspect why were so many officers involved in the search
- why were they there for so long unless they knew what they were looking for
- why would they execute the warrant "urgently" at that time of night unless they had something big on him
- if it's not him why did media show photos of police removing multiple boxes of evidence from his house
- why were media there at all unless police know he's involved
- they want us to know they know or they wouldn't have tipped off media & let them stand around filming the search all night
- people insisted "pfft he hasn't been cleared at all - they said "at this time so obviously they're just not charging him yet because they're waiting for the lab results to come back on the stuff they removed from his house" etc, etc, etc.

Sound familiar?

The only reason those "not a suspect at this time" statements were even made was the insane reaction to that search warrant. The family started being approached on soc med by strangers. Some wanted to befriend them to try & get the dirt on their family members, other people were sending a of threats & abuse. There was such an onslaught that the family deactivated their accounts in fear & then even that was seen as a sign of guilt.

The first warning to leave the family alone & not listen to online theories about the crime came from a page run by Carroll County's emergency dispatchers. When their warning failed to calm the situation & the family's home started to be vandalised & targeted in real life, then the "not a suspect at this time" statements were finally issued by police themselves.

IMO all LE involved in this investigation were completely unprepared for the public response to that search warrant. They're used to going about their work without having to worry about every word, facial expression & mannerism being analysed & (mis)interpreted by thousands of people. They learnt their lesson - & IMO that's why they addressed media quickly when RL's warrant was served. IMO that's also the only reason RL was accompanied to court by senior officers with the most experience in fielding media queries. The extreme reaction to the man at Bicycle Bridge Rd & several other men who've fallen under public suspicion is probably also behind the level of security given to RL at court. Police have a responsibility to protect people & property, especially when they may come under threat as the result of police enquiries.


It should not be assumed that police tipped off media re RL's search warrant. Journalists have the same access to police scanners as the rest of us. They're also capable of recruiting tipsters or parking near police buildings & watching for movement.

It's also important to note that several people have been the subject of accusations as the result of police activities in this investigation, but so far only two men have had police issue statements on their behalf. Only one man has had police statements issued on his behalf repeatedly & while one or two of those statements also contained ambiguous detail, they all contained detail that could be considered to clear the subject as well. Therefore the bulk of police statements re RL point to him not being a suspect.

In any case, the only LE issued statements re BB Rd are "not a suspect at this time".

I'm not here to push for suspicion of one name over another because we have nowhere near enough detail to single out any one person.

My point is that either "not a suspect at this time" clears everyone LE applied it to, or it clears no-one.

It cannot be both.

Brilliant post. Thanks was not enough.

And hi! It's been a while since we've been in a thread together. The overnight locking makes this one tough for us Aussies.

 

[Molecularblonde]

Sorry again Bemused, not trying to get off your intial point!
It feels like it has to be a local in this case...or perhaps somewith with access to a local property.

Bemused,
I am replying to my own response! But what I mean is that in theory someone could park near a home that they used to own, or near an old friend that lived in this town, although as of now they don't live there anymore.
So you could, in theory use the term loosely?

 

[fruity]

RAWR-

Excellent post...
(Saying very sheepishly...)
Who exactly is BB road man?
Can you send a link to an article?
Sorry in advance!

We can't name him here (or discuss him) but the family surname is listed on the map in this article.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.d...arrant-served-Indiana-home-teens-murders.html

 

[Bemused]

Bemused,
I am replying to my own response! But what I mean is that in theory someone could park near a home that they used to own, or near an old friend that lived in this town, although as of now they don't live there anymore.
So you could, in theory use the term loosely?

If anyone is good with maps and distances, a one mile radius with the crime scene and the north end of the bridge as the centers, with landmarks noted would be on my wish list.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

If anyone is good with maps and distances, a one mile radius with the crime scene and the north end of the bridge as the centers, with landmarks noted would be on my wish list.

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Here you go Bemused.

 

[Bemused]

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Here you go Bemused.

Thank you, kind internet stranger!

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Thank you, kind internet stranger!

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Your Welcome, we are all family here at WS.

 

[whiskers]

I definitely hope LE is using Photoshop and not free software. The differences are huge.

I'm sure they are.

And it is interesting to toggle between a Mac and PC to see the differences in images. But the free photo software is horrible. /moo

 

[Molecularblonde]

Just FYI, page numbers depend on individual settings, members choice. So your page number may not match mine. Post numbers are a more accurate way to locate a post...

Thank you for this post.
This site is so darn confusing for me!
Do post #s translate as being accurate?

 

[Tricia]

Hello My True Crime Darlings.

This thread will close shortly for the night.

Tricia

 

[Jax49]

Thank you for this post.
This site is so darn confusing for me!
Do post #s translate as being accurate?

Post numbers should be accurate, unless posts have been removed. Unless we've been really "bad" it shouldn't be off by more than a couple.

 

[BarryManilow]

Post numbers should be accurate, unless posts have been removed. Unless we've been really "bad" it shouldn't be off by more than a couple.

Some nights have been pretty "bad"

 

[Molecularblonde]

Post numbers should be accurate, unless posts have been removed. Unless we've been really "bad" it shouldn't be off by more than a couple.

Again, sorry to be such a neophyte

Why do we "close down" after several hundred posts? Sometimes the mods let us go up to ~1K?

 

[Bemused]

Who is the resident expert in forensic entomology? Does ambient temperatures slow the typical process if they're in the 27-mid-40's degrees range for, say, 21 hours? TIA if anyone knows.

 

[fruity]

Again, sorry to be such a neophyte

Why do we "close down" after several hundred posts? Sometimes the mods let us go up to ~1K?

Don't apologise! Most of us are friendly and happy to answer questions.

The thread closes overnight (US time) because sometimes trolls escape from under the bridge and go on a rampage. They leave a huge mess for the mods to clean up the next day - some of the trolls aren't potty trained and nobody likes cleaning up their type of poop

 

[DeDee]

This is the link to the property that RL has under a reverse mortgage. It is 8.4 acres. Is the location important? Who, if anyone, would benefit from him losing this section of land?

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Ap...Q=109595238&KeyValue=08-06-27-000-001.000-006

This link directs to the plat of 8.4 acres at jeopardy of RL losing. Click on the plat to note who holds the deed. It is the parcel behind the cemetery and to the side bordering the creek. Is this the section where our girls were found? Or were they located on RLs land more directly behind the cemetery?

https://beacon.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=377&LayerID=5553&PageTypeID=1

 

[Bemused]

That's an excellent point: it seems almost impossible for someone to have used a car to get to the area of this crime.Or, at least, (and this is just my opinion) they parked their car very far away, and walked back to it. I don't know if we are allowed to "trust" the YouTube videos that we have seen, but they certainly show a variety in terms of topography as well as issues with various terrain types.

One question that would be paramount to me, is what was the cause of death?

And, not to hijack your thread, but why did LE reveal the cause of death in the Missy Beaver's homicide and not in this case?

Speculation: What if the COD was slashed throats, some level of SA, no secondary crime scene, and the killer was out of there between 3 - 3:30 and on foot going a distance of 1 - 1.5 miles? What would that lead you to conclude, MB?