IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Burnt Toast]

since the image is so poor of BG's face hopefully someone will recognize his body

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...eople-by-their-body-when-face-is-no-help.html

 

[Burnt Toast]

When i asked my 14 y.o. what he saw, he said BG has a hat like Q from Impractical Jokers...which i can see also .. here is a lovely photo gif of Q up close actually turning his head w this kind of hat on, modeling it for us lol
http://data.whicdn.com/images/197611469/large.gif

others here have seen the same. i personally don't. i see a camo baseball cap.

 

[Floridian]

Anyone have any guess why this ABC news picture shows BG in the woods?

Picture on the left....

Is this a different picture or was the original one of BG in the woods??

Was this picture superimposed with the woods??

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-release-audio-clip-victims-phone-hopes-catching/story?id=45655692

Haha no..looks like everybody is placing him in all kinds of places..

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[otto]

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I see what appears to be a watch

There is no watch. When a photo is inverted, all light things become dark. The man's face and hands are light, and in the inverted photo they are black. His right hand is not a watch.

 

[Lilowlet]

since the image is so poor of BG's face hopefully someone will recognize his body

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/sci...eople-by-their-body-when-face-is-no-help.html

Thanks for that article very cool how our brains do that. But I agree hopefully his body will be enough for someone

 

[antechinusRAWR]

Hi antechinusRAWR. I personally feel there is a lot going on there that isn't right. I have been working with that very issue. When I realigned the face, it was easy. There was an actual line that showed the misalignment and I just put that part of the face back where it belonged. But the right side of his jacket has no clear line that I can see. I don't feel I should just arbitrarily move the arm up and over even though I think it would be more accurate. I have tried a bit and other parts become distorted.

I kept staring and it popped in my mind that his head is awfully small for the build he supposedly has. First, I believe that his jacket is too big, perhaps on purpose and second, it appears to be full of stuff (imo, while he may as well have a bit of a belly, the larger part of the bulge, to me, is sagging as if carrying items inside the jacket and the weight has caused the items to drop low).

So I zoomed in and in and in to where the black met the blue to see the actual outline of his jacket. I believe what we are seeing is a lot of "noise" created from the layers used to create the still from a moving video. For example, the "stripe" that you see is really just layers overlapping creating a shadow effect, I think. So when you unzoom you get an overall impression that that is his size.

The other thing that bothered me was his stance. Like you say that right side seems off. However, I had quite the shock when I was doing that video recreation with my daughter, she had the exact same stance! In the picture below, notice how her right shoulder droops, the right arm seems oddly long and angled weird compared with the left bent arm, even though both hands are in the pockets. Also notice the bottom of her shirt and the angle from left to right. So, the alignment or symmetry of his body seems correct in this particular shot, imo.

Regarding his size, I decided to very carefully remove all the dark shadowing or pixel duplication. I started working out to in. As I removed a layer of shadow I would l see if there was another layer to be removed, then removed it. Same with the duplicates. I am not the first one to do this but here is my version of BG's possible size. His head seems more proportionate to his body, imo, yet all I did was remove shadows and duplicate images.

I am a novice at this picture stuff. I have no experience working with pictures and just put them out there for your consideration. Feel free to oke:!!

I'm really glad I asked now because you've done something I wasn't even expecting
- you've completely debunked the idea that RL (or anyone for that matter) can be identified as the person in the bridge pic based on them having the same stance or holding their arms in a similar position to BG.

Nice work


The shape in his pocket stands out a lot more in the trimmed version too. His upper body also looks a lot more proportionate with his lower body & the (possibly) oversized arms were making his torso seem bigger than it really is. I won't be surprised if those final pix in your post turn out to be closer to his real build.

It's a damn shame the original is too distorted to know for sure because I guarantee there'll be people out there who talked themselves out of calling in a tip because the person they're thinking of didn't match the body shape they thought they were seeing (& we all see something different no matter how that pic is presented - 50+ threads are testament to that)

 

[Lilowlet]

There is no watch. When a photo is inverted, all light things become dark. The man's face and hands are light, and in the inverted photo they are black. His right hand is not a watch.

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Deleted other, I get it now! What if it's a gold watch though. Still dark or light or does it depend?

 

[Falling Down]

I'm really glad I asked now because you've done something I wasn't even expecting
- you've completely debunked the idea that RL (or anyone for that matter) can be identified as the person in the bridge pic based on them having the same stance or holding their arms in a similar position to BG.

Nice work


The shape in his pocket stands out a lot more in the trimmed version too. His upper body also looks a lot more proportionate with his lower body & the (possibly) oversized arms were making his torso seem bigger than it really is. I won't be surprised if those final pix in your post turn out to be closer to his real build.

It's a damn shame the original is too distorted to know for sure because I guarantee there'll be people out there who talked themselves out of calling in a tip because the person they're thinking of didn't match the body shape they thought they were seeing (& we all see something different no matter how that pic is presented - 50+ threads are testament to that)

Eliminating some of the blurr from the legs would slim him down quite a bit, too.

 

[FrostedGlass]

That's a good explanation. Thank you.

Why do you all think they have their eye on a parcel of land not buildings, barns, a house?

I don't see anything special about that parcel, other than it had a mortgage exemption and a homestead credit on it. Up in Elkhart County, a homestead credit can only be filed on the parcel that the home sits on. Maybe at one time, there was a house there or things are different in Carroll County? I also noticed the taxes on that parcel went down a lot after the RM took place.

Investors try to put out as little money as possible and get the biggest return on their investment. It might be that the investor offered to get the 2 banks off RL's back through the reverse mortgage on that piece but added the stipulation that the RM covered his entire property as long as he lived there. If the investor said everything just right, RL may have agreed to it because it was his intent to live there until he died.

I'd like to hear from someone in the lending business.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm not sure what you mean here? Like people you know would not recognize a photo of you?

Exactly, i don't work, i have one friend that i keep at a distance, daughter that doesn't watch the news. I am the last in immediate family. Jmo

 

[Falling Down]

Haha no..looks like everybody is placing him in all kinds of places..

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Looks like a pre-Civil War daguerrotype of BG, LOL.

 

[ab01]

Exactly, i don't work, i have one friend that i keep at a distance, daughter that doesn't watch the news. I am the last in immediate family. Jmo

excellent insight, and with the quality of the images, the less people BG possibly could know, the less likely it would be for somebody to recognize him......:goodpost:

 

[antechinusRAWR]

How many properties other than RL's would be reachable on foot within approximately 15 minutes, no matter which direction?

I'm definitely open to the idea that he walked away from the scene either through the woods or on an unofficial path - particularly because those of us (like me) who aren't local have no idea how many unofficial paths there are travelling through RL's & onto other sections of private property, further along the creek away from the town of Delphi.

I feel like I've missed something important though? Why would their destination need to be 15 mins from the crime scene? I've seen 15 mins mentioned a couple of times I think?

Just trying to think it all through because there are a lot of woods & a lot of creek on the private property end of the bridge. Any vistors to the bridge & trails, including family/friends looking for the girls, would've had no reason to look at the areas past that end of the bridge the first afternoon. So presumably someone who knew their way around the woods could've walked undetected for quite some distance. Especially if they knew which properties had homes closer to the creek - a longtime local would know exactly which sections of property to walk through or avoid so that no-one saw them pass by.

Or did I miss something? (that definitely happens when I post at 3am :blush: )

 

[Bemused]

excellent insight, and with the quality of the images, the less people BG possibly could know, the less likely it would be for somebody to recognize him......:goodpost:

If he is a local to Delphi, as I suspect is the case, someone has recognized him. Maybe all who have won't contact LE but I'd bet some have. IMO This is a small town with a horrible tragedy so I can't imagine too many within 50 miles are unaware of the murders of Abby and Libby.

 

[Bemused]

I'm definitely open to the idea that he walked away from the scene either through the woods or on an unofficial path - particularly because those of us (like me) who aren't local have no idea how many unofficial paths there are travelling through RL's & onto other sections of private property, further along the creek away from the town of Delphi.

I feel like I've missed something important though? Why would their destination need to be 15 mins from the crime scene? I've seen 15 mins mentioned a couple of times I think?

Just trying to think it all through because there are a lot of woods & a lot of creek on the private property end of the bridge. Any vistors to the bridge & trails, including family/friends looking for the girls, would've had no reason to look at the areas past that end of the bridge the first afternoon. So presumably someone who knew their way around the woods could've walked undetected for quite some distance. Especially if they knew which properties had homes closer to the creek - a longtime local would know exactly which sections of property to walk through or avoid so that no-one saw them pass by.

Or did I miss something? (that definitely happens when I post at 3am :blush: )

Your question on time puts me in an awkward position on WS and its rules. Let's just leave it at, IMO, he was within 15 minutes or so of the crime scene as he could reach his destination on foot. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I lived in a small town like that one, and it's my opinion that at least one of the local LE would have been able to recognize him if he was local. I would have to believe that the images were looked at by all of them before they were released and before the billboards were put out in 46 states. He's not local. Jmo

 

[MOTORUNNER]

When i asked my 14 y.o. what he saw, he said BG has a hat like Q from Impractical Jokers...which i can see also .. here is a lovely photo gif of Q up close actually turning his head w this kind of hat on, modeling it for us lol
http://data.whicdn.com/images/197611469/large.gif

That's what I thought too, when people said it was a baseball cap (which it could very well be) I thought it looked more like a golfer hat... or whatever you want to call it. On another note, I've always had the biggest crush on Q

 

[eryn.a.huff]

Maybe BG really was decked out with a bunch of gear (hat; hoodie; coat stuffed with items; scarf; googles; fanny pack; holster/weapons; rope etc...). This would explain why so many of us think we see these things in his image, and also why Liberty may have take the video of him in the first place. Even if she wasn't initially scared of him, she may have thought he was very oddly dressed and wanted to capture his video for social media.

If BG was all dressed up with gear it makes me wonder if he has a military background. Maybe he was experiencing PTSD or a mental illness that made him think he was on a search and destroy mission. I know it sounds ridiculous.

I had the same thought as I too think he has some kind of tactical gear on, doesn't sound ridiculous to me! I think until disproven with hard evidence/statements from LE that everything should be considered a plausible theory. LE knows a lot more than us and until we know more we shouldn't discount any of the ideas and theories shared. I appreciate all the different perspectives shared here and others have pointed out a lot of things I didn't even notice at first.


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[otto]

I have looked at the maps as I was interested in your point and everyone saying it is a private road. The road is labelled 625W and near the bridge it is not the boundary of any one property but goes through the middle of several separate properties. If it has a road number (625W) then it wouldn't be a private road would it? Just a cul de sac? Just curious about your point, which is a good one, so trying to answer why people are saying it is private when it clearly has a road number shown on the property maps. JMO.

I have called the road a private driveway because it leads to someone's house.

 

[Boxeador]

I'm definitely open to the idea that he walked away from the scene either through the woods or on an unofficial path - particularly because those of us (like me) who aren't local have no idea how many unofficial paths there are travelling through RL's & onto other sections of private property, further along the creek away from the town of Delphi.

I feel like I've missed something important though? Why would their destination need to be 15 mins from the crime scene? I've seen 15 mins mentioned a couple of times I think?

Just trying to think it all through because there are a lot of woods & a lot of creek on the private property end of the bridge. Any vistors to the bridge & trails, including family/friends looking for the girls, would've had no reason to look at the areas past that end of the bridge the first afternoon. So presumably someone who knew their way around the woods could've walked undetected for quite some distance. Especially if they knew which properties had homes closer to the creek - a longtime local would know exactly which sections of property to walk through or avoid so that no-one saw them pass by.

Or did I miss something? (that definitely happens when I post at 3am :blush: )

IMO the gravel pit east of RLs property offers hidden parking and a rural east exit from the area.
In addition, the CS is east of where it would be if someone was making a beeline for the cemetary. A line from the Deer Creek crossing place to the back of the cemetary. The CS is more in line with using the deer track unofficial trails to keep heading east. Hidden from the road and properties. There is an east bridge on 300 over Deer Creek and away to all points south and east .