IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Peace777]

But, all those "properties" are owned by one person/trust.

Interesting :thinking:

 

[ReggieHammond]

I've seen a picture that looks like BG behind a tree (from an article in thread 3) but now the picture is gone. A few of us have agreed on this. IMO it's just a plausible as the cars being under the bridge LOL

I googled a and l suspect and found what you are talking about. It was circled and it is creepy. Imo always.

I know what image you’re referring to, and I thought it was plausible when I first saw it also. There was an interview with a member of LE (I can’t remember who and when), but that exact image was brought up. LE says that in that same image, it also looks as if there’s 2 people standing behind Abby in the distance.

But they said they have blown it up, and that’s a railing behind Abby, and just a shadow by the tree, not a person.

MOO

 

[Bemused]

Oh nice thanks Bemused.

Maybe in here. Jethro posted a better link about the search on the 13th, IIRC. I think they gathered at a fire station to stage the teams.

http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/timelin...iberty-german-and-abigail-williams-in-delphi/

 

[Burnt Toast]

Interesting two articles.

Tracking cellphones using Stingray:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/23/baltimore-police-stingray-cell-surveillance/31994181/

Clearing suspects:

http://people.com/crime/police-clear-victims-family-friends-in-murder-of-texas-fitness-instructor/

If I was innocent of a double murder I'd push my attorney to press LE to clear me publicly if they seemed reluctant to do so. Why wouldn't they clear someone if they knew they were not involved but speculation to the contrary was running wild? IMO they would clear someone if they were able to. They have cleared some but they're not in the spotlight, IMO.

it is my understanding that one of the things that could have come out of the search at RL's was that he could be cleared. LE is well aware many are waiting to hear those words, yet they don't say them. What they don't say is telling to me.

 

[Lilowlet]

I know what image you’re referring to, and I thought it was plausible when I first saw it also. There was an interview with a member of LE (I can’t remember who and when), but that exact image was brought up. LE says that in that same image, it also looks as if there’s 2 people standing behind Abby in the distance.

But they said they have blown it up, and that’s a railing behind Abby, and just a shadow by the tree, not a person.

MOO

Thanks Reggie, I knew about the polls but not the tree. I appreciate the clarification. I see lots in the woods, like some see lots on BG it's a struggle.imo

 

[otto]

The address for that house is on N625W. So I agree that just because the pavement ends and it turns to gravel doesn't mean it's really private.

It's a road that can be used by anyone, but anyone who is committing a double murder is taking a great risk by parking on a road that leads a private residence - especially on a Monday afternoon. The chance of someone seeing that vehicle is very high. Conversely, forcing the girls to walk to an area near where the vehicle is parked, such as the nearby cemetery, makes a lot more sense - quick getaway after committing a crime.

 

[Bemused]

Oh nice thanks Bemused.

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/2017/02/14/search-continues-missing-carroll-co-girls/97885722/

I can't find anything specific so far, but I thought they used a drone though that may have been on 2/14. By the time LE was notified they were missing it was only less than an hour from sunset at 6:20 PM.

https://sunrise-sunset.org/us/delphi-in/2017/2

 

[asyousay]

it is my understanding that one of the things that could have come out of the search at RL's was that he could be cleared. LE is well aware many are waiting to hear those words, yet they don't say them. What they don't say is telling to me.

LE are not talking full stop though!

 

[otto]

This is my theory:

Either he is looking for an opportunity, or he was at the North park entrance when the girls were dropped off, but either way he parks at the South end of the cemetery. He walks directly South to the creek. From there, he walks towards the bridge where the water is shallow, and crosses the creek heading towards the SE end of the bridge. He climbs up the hill when the girls are at the SE end of the bridge and passes them, heading North. After confirming that there is no one else on the bridge who can see him, he turns around and forces the girls to go down the hill. They cross the creek and walk back towards the area where they were murdered - very likely just South of the cemetery. After murdering the girls, he returns to his vehicle at the cemetery and leaves the area. This fits with the fact that no one saw him on the trails.

 

[No it's not]

There is no watch. When a photo is inverted, all light things become dark. The man's face and hands are light, and in the inverted photo they are black. His right hand is not a watch.

There is a very good possibility the individual is wearing a distinctive watch on his right wrist IMO.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[Burnt Toast]

LE are not talking full stop though!

"full stop?"

 

[ab01]

I lived in a small town like that one, and it's my opinion that at least one of the local LE would have been able to recognize him if he was local. I would have to believe that the images were looked at by all of them before they were released and before the billboards were put out in 46 states. He's not local. Jmo

Wait, didn't you just say a few posts upthread that nobody would recognize you in a random photo? What makes you so sure someone would have recognized BG?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Confusion]

One can visually compare the inside leg length on both photos and have an opinion without seeing where the waist is, which is irrelevant to height anyway because some people have long or short body length IRT height. It's not fact but opinion as we don't know if either pic has been altered in any way so is a moot point as well, but we can all still give our opinions without them being taken as facts.

I'm sure this post has been forgotten by now, but I wanted to remind you about "perspective". It's very hard to measure the inseam (inside length of the leg) when looking at a person from the front or rear if they are walking. Both legs would measure shorter than they are because of the angle, and how much shorter would depend on the length of the stride, the height of the foot, any bend in the knee, etc. Because of that, it would be close to impossible to get an accurate measurement, it would have to be estimated within a few inches. I learned that the hard way about 50 years ago when I was first attempting to draw/paint full body portraits. MOO

I wonder that LE put out those two very different looking pictures. It is confusing to the public for sure. Maybe they thought that BG looked like both during different parts of the video? IDK.

Still, seems that they decided in the end that the first pic is the one that is more of a true likeness of him as they stopped using the older looking one in a matter of few days:

I also believe that if we are going to compare anyone's photos to BG, then we should maybe use the one LE has up, and not that older looking one, imo.

I obviously don't know their reasons, but I'd probably release 2 of them that didn't look the same if I didn't know for sure which one actually looked like him. As annoying as it is to try to figure out what part of each picture is the most accurate, I think it increases the chances of someone recognizing him from one or the other. MOO

I don't think so because it's guess work and would be inadmissible in the court. imho.

I don't think they would be using the edited still in court, it's more for identificatipon. If anything, I'd expect them to use the original video. MOO

 

[Falling Down]

Interesting two articles.

Tracking cellphones using Stingray:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/08/23/baltimore-police-stingray-cell-surveillance/31994181/

Clearing suspects:

http://people.com/crime/police-clear-victims-family-friends-in-murder-of-texas-fitness-instructor/

If I was innocent of a double murder I'd push my attorney to press LE to clear me publicly if they seemed reluctant to do so. Why wouldn't they clear someone if they knew they were not involved but speculation to the contrary was running wild? IMO they would clear someone if they were able to. They have cleared some but they're not in the spotlight, IMO.

The thing about Stingray is often times LE agencies use it w/o getting a warrant, which is against federal law. They have to use it in conjunction with a warrant. The fact that a certain LE agency back where I'm from didn't put in for a warrant revealed that the agency was using it to begin with, a sharp defense attorney asked a simple question of an investigator, and the investigator invoked the 5th Amendment.

Good LE folks (like the ones involved in this case) I'm sure know where they dare and dare not tread.

I happen to know a few people who were involved with Stingray when it was in prototype stage, the tech used was put into use in Iraq to detect cell phones used in roadside bombs (hint hint).

 

[cluciano63]

Does not sound like RL moved higher up the suspect list to me, from this week's interview.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Until LE announces an arrest of the person or persons responsible for "brutally murdering"* Libby and Abby, my mind is going to the more logical explanation to me. YMMV

*Doug Carter's own words two weeks after the murders.

Which is the most logical to you?

 

[Bemused]

There is a very good possibility the individual is wearing a distinctive watch on his right wrist IMO.

All IMO

-Nin

Can you tell if this image is mirrored or not? If not, his left arm has no watch. I own watches but don't wear them daily. Other family feels like they're not dressed without theirs, so I don't think whether it's a watch or not is all that important, IMO. It does look like one, I agree with that.

So, I guess that leaves me slogging through video footage to see if there is one on the right or left arm at anytime of media interviews.

 

[Lilowlet]

Maybe in here. Jethro posted a better link about the search on the 13th, IIRC. I think they gathered at a fire station to stage the teams.

http://fox59.com/2017/02/16/timelin...iberty-german-and-abigail-williams-in-delphi/

Thanks. It's not specific but I'm going to guess 14th because of the dive teams I remember seeing in the flight video.

 

[Falling Down]

It's a road that can be used by anyone, but anyone who is committing a double murder is taking a great risk by parking on a road that leads a private residence - especially on a Monday afternoon. The chance of someone seeing that vehicle is very high. Conversely, forcing the girls to walk to an area near where the vehicle is parked, such as the nearby cemetery, makes a lot more sense - quick getaway after committing a crime.

Agreed, and I've thought from the beginning that the perp was in the vicinity of the bridge for at least a couple of hours.

Edit: Just thought of something.

That road is actually a county road, under the bridge, which leads to the residence (driveway).

I'm gonna go out on a limb, here, but it ties in with much of what I've posted over many threads. MOO is the perp checked both residences (RL and the one at the end of the road) before committing the murders. I would imagine that where (I'm assuming) the perp and the girls crossed the creek had to be within sight of the house, or perhaps the 2nd floor, maybe.

I wonder what time of day the mail is delivered to both RL's house and, more importantly, the house at the end of the road which goes under the bridge. Heck, the perp ran the risk of a FeEx or UPS truck rolling through there, too.

((shudder))

 

[skibaboo]

It's a road that can be used by anyone, but anyone who is committing a double murder is taking a great risk by parking on a road that leads a private residence - especially on a Monday afternoon. The chance of someone seeing that vehicle is very high. Conversely, forcing the girls to walk to an area near where the vehicle is parked, such as the nearby cemetery, makes a lot more sense - quick getaway after committing a crime.

There is also a gate across the road, IIRC it is green. It's in the area that leads up to the bridge. Someone posted a video of them driving up N625W and they stopped and turned around when they saw the gate. I don't have a link as it was way back. MOO