IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[asyousay]

Okay.. So, because he didn't come forward is what makes him a suspect.. Hmmm what if he has no idea about this case. What if he was only passing thru and knows nothing. I'm in a different state and I don't know anybody that knows about this where I'm from. I only heard about this on Live Pd. I'm just curious if that is what made him the suspect.

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I would say what Libby recorded makes him a suspect

they seem to know that image was taken just before criminal behavior began so I would say her audio leads them to believe he is the man.


Also electronic billboards went up in loads of states so if you was BG and you was innocent then why wouldn't you come forward , it's been 9 weeks?
IMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

I think they used a drone but not sure if it was 2/13 or 2/14. I'll see if I can find it. I know some news footage near the crime scene was from a news drone, but skibs pointed out on some footage they used a helo because the skids were visible in frames.

The RTV6 video was definitely from a helicopter. There is other footage taken by other media later on (after the 14th) that was taken by a drone. I think it was used in the Crime Watch Daily episode filmed there so perhaps it came from Fox59? But my memory might not be that good.

 

[Bemused]

If a double homicide of two innocent teen girls doesn't qualify for a warrant, and one was needed to help find a killer, what would?

The thing about Stingray is often times LE agencies use it w/o getting a warrant, which is against federal law. They have to use it in conjunction with a warrant. The fact that a certain LE agency back where I'm from didn't put in for a warrant revealed that the agency was using it to begin with, a sharp defense attorney asked a simple question of an investigator, and the investigator invoked the 5th Amendment.

Good LE folks (like the ones involved in this case) I'm sure know where they dare and dare not tread.

I happen to know a few people who were involved with Stingray when it was in prototype stage, the tech used was put into use in Iraq to detect cell phones used in roadside bombs (hint hint).

 

[Bemused]

Thanks. It's not specific but I'm going to guess 14th because of the dive teams I remember seeing in the flight video.

I thought you asked about a LE aircraft in the search and not news media, sorry.

 

[No it's not]

The best I have for professional software is Adobe PhotoShop. Is there another software that is being used that adds more details to the original photo?

Yes, there is. Ben Vista and Perfect Resize are pretty good for example.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[ocgrad]

Clarify please.Here's where I'm bogged.. The bridge guy, as far as I know he was trying to be identified for questioning, not for the murders, they haven't said he did it, they just know he was in the area and hasn't came forward, correct?? So, we actually DON'T know that he is responsible, right? For all we know is he was a passerby visiting the bridge and scenery, correct? We don't know the voice even belongs to him.. He could've left and the murderer could've been waiting in hiding anywhere.. Is this correct?

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The photo was released 2/15 saying they wanted to talk to him. On 2/19 they named him a suspect. On 2/22 they released the voice but have never it belongs to him.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Whats the difference between "not a suspect" and "cleared of being a suspect"? It's just semantics isn't it?

LE typically do not name a suspect until the time of arrest, so saying he is not a suspect really means little. Keep in mind that they said he was not a suspect at the same time they were searching his home with probable cause that they would find something connected to the double homicide. Now what they did say on the day of the search was one outcome could be that he is cleared. Given that, I would expect them to clear him if he had no involvement. his attorney at the least should be demanding that LE do so if he is not involved.

 

[Shiressleuth]

What if BG didn't necessarily have murder on his mind on Feb 13th? Let's suppose he's wandering the trail areas looking for someone to SA. Let's further assume he came from the north end of the bridge, passed Abby and Libby, and then doubled back and that's where the girls got the creepy vibe and Libby begins recording. We don't know if she was talking to Abby or simply narrating, either, if she said anything.

Let's assume he ordered the girls down the hill with SA on his mind, leads them across the creek and far enough from the bridge to have privacy to do his deeds, the girls resisted, he quickly murders both and gets out of Dodge ASAP.

What if forensic evidence from RL was found on the girls like RL's dog's hair because that dog looks like it runs all over? Alibis aren't checking out, for whatever reason, but LE can't clear RL yet without more sophisticated re-testing? What if he's a neighbor of RL who may have left his own DNA on RL's property? IMO

If RL dog hair was found at the scene it*doesn't mean anything as it is his land. If a neighbour or indeed RL DNA is found, I would imagine it would depend on where the DNA was found e.g. under fingernails, on body, clothes etc. MOO

 

[Floridian]

We all see things differently. I have felt from the get go that in one pic his hand is in pocket then in other pic has pulled it out as he may be turning. I also see mustache and beard/goatee. You may not see these things and I respect that. I see it though.. Moo

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[Floridian]

The photo was released 2/15 saying they wanted to talk to him. On 2/19 they named him a suspect. On 2/22 they released the voice but have never it belongs to him.

That's what I thought. Thank you

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[Floridian]

I would say what Libby recorded makes him a suspect

they seem to know that image was taken just before criminal behavior began so I would say her audio leads them to believe he is the man.


Also electronic billboards went up in loads of states so if you was BG and you was innocent then why wouldn't you come forward , it's been 9 weeks?
IMO

Of course I agree, unless you don't know. Unless you got back in the road that evening, you wouldn't necessarily have any idea depending when you left or which way you went.. The billboard didn't go up the day they went missing so if he left that day headed home somewhere he wouldn't have seen them.. I'm only saying this because I have wondered if the bg is him, and if it's not him this could explain why he hasn't come forward. He may have no idea what unfolded after he left..I've discussed this at work and nobody has heard of this case where I'm at.. So it is possible..That's all....

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[otto]

It's obvious to me that the original photo has been photoshopped with filters, such as the "invert" filter. The inverted photo that has been circulated has been further modified with additional filters. Unfortunately, adding filters to an original photo does not result in clarification.

Zooming a photo by changing the resolution from 72 pixels/inch to 96 or 300 pixels/inch should be an acceptable method for enlarging the original photo. Obviously enlarging a photo does not provide more detail, but at the very least it does not add information.

 

[Floridian]

Of course I agree, unless you don't know. Unless you got back in the road that evening, you wouldn't necessarily have any idea depending when you left or which way you went.. The billboard didn't go up the day they went missing so if he left that day headed home somewhere he wouldn't have seen them.. I'm only saying this because I have wondered if the bg is him, and if it's not him this could explain why he hasn't come forward. He may have no idea what unfolded after he left..I've discussed this at work and nobody has heard of this case where I'm at.. So it is possible..That's all....

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I'm just trying to see different scenarios and trying to understand what makes him the suspect... That's all.. Moo

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[ocgrad]

There is also a gate across the road, IIRC it is green. It's in the area that leads up to the bridge. Someone posted a video of them driving up N625W and they stopped and turned around when they saw the gate. I don't have a link as it was way back. MOO

As you recall, is the green gate before or to the south of these LE vehicles on the road or is it on past where they are parked, on east closer to the residence?

Or are you referring to the gate at the end of the walking trail at the SE end of the bridge?

 

[Floridian]

We all see things differently. I have felt from the get go that in one pic his hand is in pocket then in other pic has pulled it out as he may be turning. I also see mustache and beard/goatee. You may not see these things and I respect that. I see it though.. Moo

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Between the mustache and goatee there is a lighter area that looks like his lips. That's why I think he has mustache and goatee..

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[Jethro4WS]

Clarify please.Here's where I'm bogged.. The bridge guy, as far as I know he was trying to be identified for questioning, not for the murders, they haven't said he did it, they just know he was in the area and hasn't came forward, correct?? So, we actually DON'T know that he is responsible, right? For all we know is he was a passerby visiting the bridge and scenery, correct? We don't know the voice even belongs to him.. He could've left and the murderer could've been waiting in hiding anywhere.. Is this correct?

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I believe it was before the 2/22 press conference (maybe the Saturday or Sunday before) where LE said that BG was a participant.

 

[otto]

Yes, there is. Ben Vista and Perfect Resize are pretty good for example.

All IMO

-Nin

Do those software programs include the "invert" filter? The photos that are posted here are not simply enlarged, but filters are added, so are we looking at photos enlarged and modified with free demos of the software you mention? Looking at the user interface, I don't see anything beyond sharpening and enlarging - tools that are also available in Adobe Photoshop.

"Photoshop has been around since the 90s and has slowly built itself into the industry powerhouse it is today. However, with its focus on professional users, it may do too much for regular people. Just as with Pixelmator, you can get a free Photoshop trial from Adobe’s website."

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/photoshop-vs-pixelmator-better-mac-users/

 

[Peace777]

If RL dog hair was found at the scene it*doesn't mean anything as it is his land. If a neighbour or indeed RL DNA is found, I would imagine it would depend on where the DNA was found e.g. under fingernails, on body, clothes etc. MOO

What about horse hair. What IF something from say a barn i.e straw/hay or horse hair was found on the girls (like in their hair, or even under fingernails)? Mud or heaven forbid some type of animal poop on their shoes or clothing? JMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

I can only assume by the assertion that RL is guilty, that those that subscribe to this theory, besides any logical motive beyond "got angry so brutally murdered two girls in a manner that shook seasoned LE. Then went to buy fish." Leaving the bodies laying openly in his back yard. Then somehow evaded anyone in the neighborhood where he has lived for 50 years identifying his image or voice. As well as LE who are still openly seeking BG. I again implore those to subscribe to this to cite one case in the annals of crime, where a murderer left his victims openly, not buried, not hidden in their back yard.

Or even a case of a 77 year old abducting and killing two teens?

 

[Bemused]

I believe it was before the 2/22 press conference (maybe the Saturday or Sunday before) where LE said that BG was a participant.

http://nypost.com/2017/03/02/massiv...d-girls-generates-tons-of-tips-but-few-leads/

Bursten said it’s possible that more than one person could be responsible for the killings, but investigators believe the suspect whose image was released on Feb. 15 at least participated in the double murder. The man in the photograph appears to be wearing blue jeans with a blue coat and a hoodie.