IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[Boxeador]

IMO - that
white question mark does look like atv goggles -


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[Bemused]

How long does blood evidence last without degrading or washing away in a drain or trap? TIA

 

[Yellow Rose]

Unfortunately, I totally agree with you. I think this is a lot worse than any of us could ever imagine. JMO

I just don't understand then how they would have had open caskets for the girls if their deaths were the result of what you are saying could have been a wiccan ritual killing.

 

[samsmom]

Came across this article written after the bodies were found but before they were identified. I found this quote from Libby's grandfather interesting. I hadn't read these exact words before.

"We started going through all the social media things, looking at Facebook, has she talked to anybody, have the girls been talking with anybody, Snapchatting or whatever the kids do today back and forth," he said. "[We] really didn't find anything and the last minute, I think we found, going out was at about 2:30 which was a Snapchat of a picture of them out there on this bridge, and that was the last communication we've had."

http://www.wthr.com/article/2-bodies-found-near-delphi-not-identified-as-missing-teenage-girls


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And did you all notice the photo of the (sad) people? They are all wearing basic BG-type clothing. IMO that's one reason this hasn't been solved. A lot of folks wear that type of clothing in those parts. I know you all know that already.

 

[Floridian]

lol I just spit my soda all over my keyboard. Lol

I took a double look myself..

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[SkyBlue714]

I agree, FromGermany. I noticed how clever you were on Missy Bevers' threads, especially in regards to images.

I feel it is a catheter bag hanging at his left leg and probably IV tubing stuffed in his clothing, as well. I've suspected that for a long time and would not mention it because I did not want to impose needless fear. Since there has not been an arrest, I'm busting out with all of my ammo, slowly but steady.

I am a RN, The type of Urine Catherter bag you are talking about would be used when a patient was bed bound, they hold about 1200 cc of urine. If a person needed a catheter and was out and about, they are called leg bags, and are quite small, they attach with a strap around the leg, needless to say they are not worn hanging outside a persons clothes, and a large catheter bag, "swinging in the breeze", would be putting incredible pressure on his 'private parts", s the only thing holding it in , would be a "inflatable" balloon-MOO

 

[Bemused]

And did you all notice the photo of the (sad) people? They are all wearing basic BG-type clothing. IMO that's one reason this hasn't been solved. A lot of folks wear that type of clothing in those parts. I know you all know that already.

Not all of them were likely to have been present at the crime scene and left their DNA or trace evidence. Not all of them had probable cause SW served on them, either. IMO

 

[Floridian]

I just don't understand then how they would have had open caskets for the girls if their deaths were the result of what you are saying could have been a wiccan ritual killing.

Thought same thing

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[labam99]

At what point does LE release new evidence to the public if they have reached a dead in?

 

[Floridian]

My goodness. I was gone for a few hours and missed so much. Finally caught up.

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[Peace777]

I think I figured out how the photo on the right was modified to give the appearance of a bright circle - unsharp mask with the radius maxed. I could continue fooling around with filters to make all sorts of things appear.

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Hmmm so is it his hand or something attached to his belt? Like a badge of some kind or an aluminum tape measure? Photo is just too blurry I know to really make out anything . Sad the photo hasn't so far led to the perp's arrest, Soon I hope LE will get the right tip to bring him to justice and put him :jail:

 

[Bemused]

At what point does LE release new evidence to the public if they have reached a dead in?

When they run out of leads. Just because an arrest hasn't been announced yet does not mean the crime has not been solved. IMO, the murderer of Abby and Libby is known to LE and they're waiting on lab analyses and making sure they've covered all bases.

 

[Floridian]

At what point does LE release new evidence to the public if they have reached a dead in?

Like I figured weeks ago. So who knows. Either dead end or when he's caught.

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[labam99]

When they run out of leads. Just because an arrest hasn't been announced yet does not mean the crime has not been solved. IMO, the murderer of Abby and Libby is known to LE and they're waiting on lab analyses and making sure they've covered all bases.

That's an optimistic approach to this, but after this long I really doubt it

 

[SkyBlue714]

I was gonna say the same thing. It would be impossible to do all of that with a catheter.. Not to mention chancing it leaking at crime scene.

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Exactly, and why the IV tubing? It has no part in a Foley Catheter! MOO

 

[Jax49]

That's an optimistic approach to this, but after this long I really doubt it

I totally agree.

If they know, why are they still asking the public to send in tips to identify Bridge Guy?

 

[SkyBlue714]

Originally Posted by DeDee
I understand exactly what you are saying. I have no problem with it. Except, these murders did take awhile to complete. Their deaths were not performed in haste.

Let me just say this. What happened in Delphi has never happened, to my knowledge, ever, anywhere in the world. It must not become a trend. I hope the AR remains sealed forever.

How nice it would be if BG brought a clear bag for his clean drinking water. Only, this criminal was not thirsty for water.

LINK? YOU KNOW THIS HOW? PRETTY STRONG WORDS

 

[labam99]

I understand exactly what you are saying. I have no problem with it. Except, these murders did take awhile to complete. Their deaths were not performed in haste.

Let me just say this. What happened in Delphi has never happened, to my knowledge, ever, anywhere in the world. It must not become a trend. I hope the AR remains sealed forever.

How nice it would be if BG brought a clear bag for his clean drinking water. Only, this criminal was not thirsty for water.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Burnt Toast]

At what point does LE release new evidence to the public if they have reached a dead in?

i think the fact that they have not released more is because they don't need to.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Thanks, I thought I remembered seeing it labeled a such.

For reference:

The property at the end of the drive appears to be of new-ish construction, a nice property I might add.

CSX stopped running trains through there roughly 30 years ago. My hunch about the drive is it may have been an access road for the Monon and, later. CSX railroads, for the bridge (railroad folks and enthusiasts would back me up on this).. As articles about this case have noted, the properties surrounding the bridge along the RoW, which had been owned by CSX, were eventually reclaimed/claimed by owners with land adjacent to it. I could be wrong about the actual drive, perhaps 30 years ago it was both a public and private road, same as today. Public up to the bridge area, maybe? Then RR and then again public and/or then private property? Before a nice house was built at the end of the drive?

My point? I'm an obsessive person, like I'm sure all of us here, are ;-) As others have noted, killers and serial killers have interests too, just like anyone else. Certainly obsessive issues, more so than us obsessive types. I've thought from the word go that this guy knows the bridge and its surroundings, like the proverbial back of his hand, but he may not be from the immediate area. This bugs me some, the FBI has yet to come out with some form of criminal profile for the perp (assuming it's one perp).

I still maintain this Bridge Guy (BG) is a railroad enthusiast of some sort. I am, it's in my blood, several ancestors of mine were RR people, that's how they got spread out from northern PA into Western and Central NY. I volunteer with the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society, to give you an idea how passionate I am. BG had no trouble at all crossing a dangerous bridge that even locals didn't know was there, until this crime happened, and I can relate. Old RR properties worth checking out tend to be on the 'outskirts of town', often times by waterways (creeks, rivers, lakes, etc.). People who live within feet, say a quarter or half mile of such a property, often times don't know it's there, or know it's there but could care less. IMO RL strikes me as a "care less" type, he's lived there 50+ years, the bridge is within sight of his property, but he may not have ever had any interest in walking the bridge. Besides, he's old, and chances are he knows the bridge is CSX property, meaning private property.

See what I'm driving at? A killer like the one in question is banking on assumptions. RL said nothing remotely approaching what happened to Abby and Libby had ever happened in that area, and one of his sons had played back in that area and along the creek, when he was a kid. I can relate. As young as 8 years old I was out, maybe with one other friend, fishing along a creek for crawdads and sun fish where I'm from in NY State. By what is now (but had only then recently opened) a busy highway. The perp in this case preys on the vulnerable, which is why I leaned towards SK from early on.

If I were LE and feeling stumped at this point, i would look into RR enthusiast websites, groups, etc. Ask around, see if some of those folks thought someone's interest in the Monon High Bridge seemed beyond obsessive, as in he visited the site more than a few times, and may have posted his findings on a site or two, on several occasions. IMHO, it's not an especially remarkable railroad site, but still very cool and worth visiting, and I'm sure it's beautiful several months out of the year.

Cyber forensics might reveal some interesting things, you never know, by that I mean some sleuthing by LE on Railroad.net and similar sites.

Interesting comment! I think that is a viable explanation of how someone could find their way to the bridge, know about the area around it without having to be a local.