IN-Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #52

[IkiHoku]

There may be a perfectly logical explanation for "pristine". If I strangle you, break your neck or drown you, you're deceased. If I further abuse you by taking a sharp instrument to your body where a major artery is the amount of blood will be far less than if your heart is still pumping. It's not something I'm pulling out of my derrière. We don't know what happened, but it's possible the scene was relatively clean if that's the case, IMO.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090536X14000781

If it is true the clothing was found in the water, couldn't he have
murdered them there? That would allow the blood to wash away. He could have murdered them and de-clothed them there, but moved the bodies where they were found.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think LE has anything useful to release that would help identify this man. They aren't going to give details of the crime, and do not have a better image. Not sure what people think they are holding onto that they would share? If they had anything really useful, they would have him by now. Jmo

 

[Deleted member 196796]

Every day that goes by proves this narrative to be false

We all feel your pain labam99 and we have to stay optimistic for Libby and Abby and try to develop some sort of logic as to why LE has not brought those girls justice. IMO LE has stressed more than a few times that there could have been multiple attackers. I did some quick research for double homicide and could not believe how many I found where more than one murderer was involved. So maybe, just maybe, they have BG in the cross hairs and they know there was another and just can't nail that second down and they need more time? Let's stay in the fight for Libby and Abby.

 

[otto]

The item I have been discussing, more than I wanted to, is on BGs left upper leg.

Here's the photo. I don't see anything on the suspect's left leg.

 

[Maplesyrup]

I was thinking they used a helicopter that had heat seeking ability and they picked up on various animals wandering about but no humans. I have wondered about time of death since the helicopter should have picked up a thermal image of both girls if they were lying where they were ultimately found by the searcher. Anyone have any ideas on this?

I think they used a drone but not sure if it was 2/13 or 2/14. I'll see if I can find it. I know some news footage near the crime scene was from a news drone, but skibs pointed out on some footage they used a helo because the skids were visible in frames.

 

[Bemused]

The only people LE owes any obligation to is Libby, Abby and their families. The idle curiosity of the public should be their last concern, IMO. I'd be worried if Carter, Leazenby or any other LE official was using the murders of two girls to campaign or lobby to make brownie points.

If (general) you ever need LE because someone murders someone you love I hope (general) you have more faith in them. They live the horror of the murders, and I'd bet no one but the families want this guy's head on a pike more than the ones who saw the horror and will likely never be able to forget it. IMO

I'm cheering LE on and if people want to find fault, they belong on my ignore list before my head combusts. That's a fact and not an opinion.

 

[Jabarn]

Again, there is nothing wrong with that theory, It's just that everyday that goes by that theory seems less and less likely, is all I am saying.

Sadly, I agree. It is so frustrating to realize BG may get way with this horrible crime. In the past couple of weeks, only when a family member goes to the media, are there any new news stories on this case, since RL. Years may go by. It is so sad.

 

[labam99]

I don't think LE has anything useful to release that would help identify this man. They aren't going to give details of the crime, and do not have a better image. Not sure what people think they are holding onto that they would share? If they had anything really useful, they would have him by now. Jmo

They have alot more audio they can release, that much has been made clear

 

[Bemused]

I was thinking they used a helicopter that had heat seeking ability and they picked up on various animals wandering about but no humans. I have wondered about time of death since the helicopter should have picked up a thermal image of both girls if they were lying where they were ultimately found by the searcher. Anyone have any ideas on this?

They were found less than 24 hours after being reported missing. The temperatures were between 27-46 degrees, IIRC. The coroner will have a good idea, but I expect they were gone by 3:30 PM on 2/13, probably before the relative realized they were not at the pickup site, IMO.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

To me, "optimism is not real high" means optimism is not real high. Ergo, I highly doubt the case is solved. Common sense.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Delphi-13-Feb-2017-52&p=13323690#post13323690

I think you are in the majority. I personally am getting annoyed at the constant put downs and hints from someone else. I appreciate hearing all views. Everyone is entitled to them without the constant retort of LE knows what they are doing or the person who did this is sitting in jail on a parole violation.

JMO because saying that also makes everything ok.

 

[Falling Down]

It is understandable why those are your thoughts. Most murders are quick in and get out type jobs. These were not like most murders. LE didn't block road access to the High Bridge until Wednesday, Feb 15. Hence, the killer(s) could have easy access to RLs property when returning the two girls.

Predators are fearful. That is why they select vulnerable victims.
Predators are terrorists. They want to instill terror in their victims.
Predators use force, fear, terror, chaos, threats, and more, in order, to control their victims.
Predators, to the outside world, try very hard to be nice, congenial, normal people. It is their disguise.
Predators are psychopaths. They carry no empathy for their victims.

The clear bag and IV tubing would be easily obtainable, for a psychopath, via a hospital setting, an outpatient surgical care, ambulance medics, etc. It may be the same place where he garnered some of his other tools used for the tasks.

May it be known that I do not know who murdered these lovely children.

MOO is psychopath should be replaced with sociopath, in cases such has these. They are sociopathic, as well as master manipulators, and even master emotional manipulators.

Otherwise, i mostly agree with your post.

 

[cluciano63]

Le is not feeling optimstic at this time. How much clearer can that be? I am not addressing any specific post but I am at a loss how that translates to just need more time for him to "slip up" or are "watching" him but not enough evidence.
Jmo

 

[Mainemom76]

The only people LE owes any obligation to is Libby, Abby and their families. The idle curiosity of the public should be their last concern, IMO. I'd be worried if Carter, Leazenby or any other LE official was using the murders of two girls to campaign or lobby to make brownie points.

If (general) you ever need LE because someone murders someone you love I hope (general) you have more faith in them. They live the horror of the murders, and I'd bet no one but the families want this guy's head on a pike more than the ones who saw the horror and will likely never be able to forget it. IMO

I'm cheering LE on and if people want to find fault, they belong on my ignore list before my head combusts. That's a fact and not an opinion.

IMO, and with respect, LE owes the public. Especially the parents of children in and around Delphi. JMO

 

[No it's not]

Accusations? Not at all. I am saying that any photo that shows a bright round circle at the location of his hand, with the implication that it is a watch, has been altered with filters that change the photo. I think this is obvious to anyone who regularly uses professional photo imaging software such as Adobe Photoshop.

The photo on the left has been circulated as an accurate inverted photo. The image on the right has been inverted using photoshop without any additional modifications. They are not the same. Why not? Furthermore, why are we relying on an inverted photo with filters to interpret what appears to be his right hand?

In an inverted photo, tone and colors are reversed. In the photo on the right (your post) the brightness was reduced, nothing was inverted.

All IMO

-Nin

 

[otto]

In an inverted photo, tone and colors are reversed. In the photo on the right (your post) the brightness was reduced, nothing was inverted.

All IMO

-Nin

In the first image, we have a white circle on the cheek and on the right hand. If the white circle on the hand is a watch, what is the white circle on the face?

 

[Jabarn]

IMO, and with respect, LE owes the public. Especially the parents of children in and around Delphi. JMO

I agree with this. It can't be an easy job to do, and would have to be very stressful. Leadership is key in determining what the right card is to play at the right time, given the cards they have. IMO.

 

[KyMom]

JMO..I do feel LE owes the public a little too. I'm sure plenty of people are living in fear for their kids and all the other kids out there, not even just the kids really..adults too.

 

[Yvettea]

Has RL been removed to prison? If not how will we know when he is moved.

 

[KyMom]

Le is not feeling optimstic at this time. How much clearer can that be? I am not addressing any specific post but I am at a loss how that translates to just need more time for him to "slip up" or are "watching" him but not enough evidence.
Jmo

Agreed. As I've said before - I think if LE had the suspect in custody already or even if they knew who he was and had him under surveillance.. surely they would have given an optimistic response.

jmo

 

[Falling Down]

We all feel your pain labam99 and we have to stay optimistic for Libby and Abby and try to develop some sort of logic as to why LE has not brought those girls justice. IMO LE has stressed more than a few times that there could have been multiple attackers. I did some quick research for double homicide and could not believe how many I found where more than one murderer was involved. So maybe, just maybe, they have BG in the cross hairs and they know there was another and just can't nail that second down and they need more time? Let's stay in the fight for Libby and Abby.

...yet the Colonial Parkway Murders, which as far as I can tell have not been solved, or at least most have not been solved, involved one perp and two victims, in each case. I'd never heard of those cases until recently here on WS, and I think of myself as fairly up on news going back 30 years.

MOO is this was a very brazen and calculated attack, by one perp who knew the 'killing field' he attacked the girls within. Early on, i figured it had to be a SK, and no one at this stage in the game can convince me otherwise. The perp had to have known that no one would have been looking for the girls shortly after the crimes were committed. Hence why LE and even family were not too terribly alarmed, that evening.

Me? I'm a city boy, and would have been alarmed early on, but we can't judge.

If the perp is brought before a jury, he WILL be judged, and all of us can just hope that happens, at this point. I'm not 100% sure what type of case this would be, even, and I've served on a jury. Probably State of Indiana? I got a federal jury summons not long ago, out of Hammond.