IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #57

[WebSight]

Thanks, I was curious what kind because are they cadaver sent dogs, drug dogs or bomb sniffing. I'm sure there are multiple type of search dogs I am not mentioning too. To me it would possibly show what they were looking for?

I'm with you, her. I would think they would be scent dogs to determine if the girls had been there? :thinking:

 

[*Verdigris]

I quoted myself for context.

Like one of these, and you can see from a long ways away. He could've known exactly where every warm body in that area was, where their warm vehicles were parked, and if any unanticipated witnesses were outside in the area. This is an example from their website, but you can see further than this:

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COOL! I want one! Now I'm going to have to
look it up. But I bet it is pricey...
(Please forgive (a rare) OT.)

 

[Ghosthunter]

correct. LE rarely will identify a suspect prior to an arrest. it can greatly compromise an investigation. however, they can "clear" someone. And, since they were saying he was not a suspect in the same breath they were issuing a search warrant at his home, it even become even more meaningless.

So le is not telling us the truth? Couldn't they have said everyone is a suspect and we are not ruling anyone out instead of saying rl is not a suspect? I just have trouble with the idea le is deliberately misleading us. That's not a good thought.

 

[ImnoSherlock]

COOL! I want one! Now I'm going to have to
look it up. But I bet it is pricey...
(Please forgive (a rare) OT.)

I doubt it is as expensive as a tank.

 

[Confusion]

So after reading your post I decided to do some sleuthing on my own website, as well as some general You Tube searching and here is what I found...

Although I can definitely go back to February and look at the ISPs of people who visited my site, there are approximately 200 from that same 48 hour period (12th-14th). While 200 ISPs isn't that many to sort through (comparatively, anyway) it's still a hefty number. Along with the ISPs, it also gives me a town name. Now, this isn't that helpful since sometimes the registered town isn't anywhere near where the actual person and computer were at the time. My own ISP shows up as "St. John's Island, SC" and I am several states away from that. I had my neighbor get on HIS computer in his house and visit my website today. Although we are approximately half a mile apart, our ISPs are the same. Plus, in the three times I visited my own website and in the three times he visited, it registered several different ISP numbers so there wasn't even consistency in THAT.

As far as You Tube videos go, the information I gathered says that ISP addresses are only registered when the person comments, not when they view.

My conclusion, and this is strictly my own opinion from the little experiment I did on my own site, is that while this information might be good when putting a case together to tie it all in, I am not finding it generally useful to narrowing it down to one person. If they had a suspect and were looking for motive and opportunity, they might be able to look up his ISP address and track it to see what sites he visited but to do the reverse is a lot more complicated. A good defense attorney might even argue that it wasn't the perp's computer at all. They would need access to his own computer and his history to really make it "stick."

All of this is moot if the suspect did any commenting.

Sorry, but I'm really confused by this. An ISP is the Internet service provider, an IP address is what identifies a computer. The ISP would be the same for anyone using internet access through the same company, but the IP address would be different for every computer. I'm guessing that you're referring to IP addresses, but not totally sure. One problem is that IP addresses do change at times unless you have a static one (which usually costs extra, and is more likely for businesses, schools, hospitals, etc.). To find who accessed a site in the past, you'd have to find the IP addresses and then find out who they were assigned to on the date (and at the time) in question. MOO

ETA: I should have known someone would post about this first. Thanks Skibaboo for clarifying some too.

 

[WebSight]

I was meaning thats plausible if they went across the street and got verbal consent to search.

I see what you mean. The Mears property where they were searching contains no housing so they would have at least had to make a call.

I believe in this instance they cannot do that but I again must defer to the lawyers on the thread. But from what I am understanding about SWs from earlier responses from them to my questions, the SW is just as much a protection for the property owner as it is permission for LE in a search, so getting a SW is smart for both sides. imo.

 

[*Verdigris]

On thread 55, page 46, post #679 from Falling Down. If you open the first link time.com/4671589/Snapchat-del...missing-girls/. Let the picture appear without playing the video, once the picture appears you can see a man on the bridge dressed in camouflage. This looks like a reflection on the lens.

I am new, I have not figured out how to do all this. I also want justice for Abby and Libby. Anyone else see this man?

What I see is an edited image of the photo of Abby on the bridge...
...with Abby fading out.
And Welcome to Websleuths.
I hope we will all share together in justice for Libby and Abby, SOON!

 

[ImnoSherlock]

I see what you mean. The Mears property where they were searching contains no housing so they would have at least had to make a call.

I believe in this instance they cannot do that but I again must defer to the lawyers on the thread. But from what I am understanding about SWs from earlier responses from them to my questions, the SW is just as much a protection for the property owner as it is permission for LE in a search, so getting a SW is smart for both sides. imo.

I understand.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'd say that is a possibility if they did indeed make posts before they went.But if that was the case then wouldn't the murderer(s) have to have been real close by in order to go there?If they didn't post,wouldn't that eliminate the possibility of a cyber-stalker knowing they were going to be there at that time?Then that would bring us back down to friend's and family being the only ones that knew where they were going to be.

Plus whoever they told also.

 

[ClementineK]

COOL! I want one! Now I'm going to have to
look it up. But I bet it is pricey...
(Please forgive (a rare) OT.)

They're cool! And they're pricey but something an outdoorsy guy or hunter might save up for. Or a really smart killer. :-( If someone were thinking of ways to know everything that was going on around them for a distance, that'd be a really good (bad) tool.

For an idea, the one I have cost just under 600 and it's that same version I believe. There are cheaper ones that still are okay and then there's super duper ones that get really expensive.

Lots of people are interested in them now. Especially hunters, or any outdoorsy person, or for random reasons - I help find local lost dogs.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Oh, #6 is a good one I hadn't thought of before.

I could go either way on whether or not BG knew school was out that day. Since he most likely attacked an hour before school would have been out anyway, I don't think it can be said with certainty that he must have known there was a school holiday. He may have just been there scouting to see who showed up, and been pleasantly surprised (disgusting thought, I know) to find young victims a little earlier than expected.


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Everyone in Delphi would know the schools were out that day. I would think most would also know the trails were a teen hangout iMO.

 

[her]

I see what you mean. The Mears property where they were searching contains no housing so they would have at least had to make a call.

I believe in this instance they cannot do that but I again must defer to the lawyers on the thread. But from what I am understanding about SWs from earlier responses from them to my questions, the SW is just as much a protection for the property owner as it is permission for LE in a search, so getting a SW is smart for both sides. imo.

What if the SW they had covered any areas RL used? Let's say it's a known fact or agreement that RL uses the barn. Even if it's not an agreement with the Mears Barn owners but during the SW they see say RLs truck there would the SW cover that?

 

[WebSight]

I understand.

You know Imno, I would have preferred that it was just like you suggested, searching because they were already there with the equipment and the manpower.

Because if they did need and obtain a SW then it was either neglect or deceit by the media to omit the very important detail that 2 SW searches were happening, allowing full focus to be on RL, adding fuel to the fire of accusations swirling around already.

I think the impression of that scene would have been very different. Viewers of that broadcast might have interpreted LE presence on two properties very differently; perhaps assuming that the search was more about the properties and less about the person (example: were these properties used in some way to prepare for, commit, or cover up the crime vs. they are searching RL's property because they think he did it)

Just my frustrated opinion. :dunno:

 

[SomeoneElse333]

I think you mean IP address (internet protocol address) lol sorry geek, can't help it. I also have my own website and can use IP tools to locate an IP address. Every internet connection has its own address. LE can supeaona the ISP (internet service provider) to get the physical address or billing address. Can get tricky with open hot spots and open wifi at bars, stores and restaurants etc

Oh yes! That was my fault. I said ISP when I was thinking IP. Too many acronyms and initialisms stuck in my head. Ty! [emoji55]

The above is just my opinion.

 

[WebSight]

What if the SW they had covered any areas RL used? Let's say it's a known fact or agreement that RL uses the barn. Even if it's not an agreement with the Mears Barn owners but during the SW they see say RLs truck there would the SW cover that?

While I still believe that they must get a search warrant and serve it to the owner of the property, this scenario does make sense of why they would have considered it one search. Good point for me to ponder. Thx.

 

[SomeoneElse333]

Sorry, but I'm really confused by this. An ISP is the Internet service provider, an IP address is what identifies a computer. The ISP would be the same for anyone using internet access through the same company, but the IP address would be different for every computer. I'm guessing that you're referring to IP addresses, but not totally sure. One problem is that IP addresses do change at times unless you have a static one (which usually costs extra, and is more likely for businesses, schools, hospitals, etc.). To find who accessed a site in the past, you'd have to find the IP addresses and then find out who they were assigned to on the date (and at the time) in question. MOO

ETA: I should have known someone would post about this first. Thanks Skibaboo for clarifying some too.

I polluted the well by calling it ISP v. IP to begin with--I suggested that mistake and it caught in the response, probably subliminally. So sorry!

The above is just my opinion.

 

[gitana1]

What if it is the same killer? Maybe killer left a signature at both scenes.

I can't help seeing the similarities between the two cases and would not at all be surprised if they are related. Perhaps a predator might have come up on two girls, while on the hunt for a victim, and although he preferred a single victim, decided to attack anyhow. Once he was "successful", he could've decided to try again.

I think few girls run around playing alone these days so the options for finding one kid on her own might be slimmer and intent predators might resort to two.

I would love to be a fly on the wall and know what LE is discussing and what info they've shared. But I will be content to sit back and be patient if it means eventually, hopefully, catching the perp.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Just wanted to make a couple of comments. One is in regards to the Sheriff escorting RL to his hearing. Based on the current situation RL is facing a double edge sword of threats. A BG sympathizer (if RL is a witness) or the Delphi lynch mob (guilty until proven innocent). Once Sheriff no more reindeer games like getting enough range time. The Sheriff is tasked with a great deal of admin duties and doesn’t get to shoot much. So, when the county LE needs to increase personal security for a specific inmate you put your best guns in the fight out along the perimeter. Such as far and near down the halls, entries and exits in and out of the courtroom. Getting some quality face time with the media is a plus for the Boss even though he’s currently getting more media coverage than he would care to.

The other is regarding the media coverage of the search of the barn located right across the road from RL’s property. LE is smart and IMO realized they had an opportunity to have a cover (RL’s SW) while searching the barn not located on RL’s property without a SW assuming LE coordinated prior permission with the property owners. IMO LE did the right thing and obtained a SW even though they did not advertise said SW. If any further evidence were discovered at this location it would render LE some investigative security. Or, it’s a possibility that the media didn’t even realize the barn was off of RL’s property. This knowledge is only known to the indigenous population. MOO

Now its known internationally. I just cannot understand why RL was made into a media circus but the Mears farm barn search was unmentioned by media or LE. Why would that be?

 

[her]

While I still believe that they must get a search warrant and serve it to the owner of the property, this scenario does make sense of why they would have considered it one search. Good point for me to ponder. Thx.

Meh
I am no expert nor do I know what went down. I really was just thinking out loud for lack of a better term.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Yes it was searched on the 10th. It was also searched on the 17th. I watched the footage and it shows them with the dogs going into the barn on the Mears farm.

I will go find the video and link it here. FOUND IT.

Here is a still shot of LE with dogs going into the barn on the Mears Farm during the March 17th search.
Just watched the video again. Not one mention of the search going on across the street at the same time. Why not?

[video=youtube;Y5IhtGy7d8A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5IhtGy7d8A&list=PLbU9zHKD2wzCq_1rlTvhVDEO Vtxlm0wWw&index=27[/video]

That's RL's barn. It's by his grain bin and silo to the left of his house. You can see it in the video and then the camera zooms in for a close up.