IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #82

[heartgoesout]

I'd be curious on how many truck drivers have committed murders. Every case I follow the truck driver scenario inevitably comes up and it was never a truck driver.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I'd forgotten them until someone mentioned them yesterday. We talked about them very early on - when LE made it sound like there probably wasn't a vehicle involved.

I rewatched the creek search a bit yesterday - wonder what they were looking for and if they found it. Parts were surprisingly deep.

moo

I joined WS because of this case. Been a member since the end of Feb 2017, so I will have to go back & watch/read some things again.
I also wondered what they were searching for in the creek. Libby’s phone? I often wondered if BG threw her phone in the creek. Murder weapon? MOO


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[newredtabby]

Dear Websleuths Members,

Do you think it is correct to assume the police have a lot more evidence that they have not released to the public?

Could it be safe to assume there is DNA belonging to the perp in police possession?

Is it safe to assume there is more of the perps voice on the recording? Is it safe to assume police did a voice match with DN and it did not match?

Don't you think if Daniel Nations, having been turned inside out and his life torn apart, had even the slightest possibility of being the perp the police would never say they were no longer interested in him?

We have a picture, we have voice recording, we have a fantastic sketch. When or if they catch the perp all of those things will line up quickly.

You can't put a round peg in a square hole.

We have been doing this, a true crime discussion forum, for over 14 years.

Thru trial and error, we have come up with our rules. Yes, they are very strict but there is a good reason for being so strict.

When you have thousands of people discussing a specific topic things can get out of hand very quickly.

Forgive me if you have heard this before. It wasn't until 2008 that Websleuths decided to really tighten the rules.

I received so much hate mail, so much "YOU'RE GOING TO FAIL, YOU'RE NOT LETTING US TALK, ALL THE GOOD POSTERS ARE LEAVING" day and night that I really doubted the decision to tighten things up.

What started happening is other posters came out of the woodwork. The negative comments gave way to "I could never post because I was afraid of being attacked now I can post again" type comments.

Our membership went up and we have continued to grow and become what we are today.

If someone can send me a private message, don't post it on the thread here, but a private message pointing out a good solid reason or reasons why
DN is the perp then I will let you discuss DN again.

I don't think he looks like the perp so there's that and the police superintendent has stated DN is not of interest to them. So there's that too.

A clear, concise, short list of why DN should still be a POI. Please don't make me take a fantastic journey through la la land to try and make DN fit what we know so far.

Thanks for reading.

Tricia

No, I don't think its safe to assume those things. If LE had much more evidence they WOULD be able to exclude POI's but they apparently cannot. I don't think they have the perps DNA, and I don't think they have more audio and video that's usable. If they did, they would have released more by now. I think LE is blowing smoke when they say they just need that one last piece of the puzzle. I think the puzzle is far from forming anything coherent at this point, and LE is at a loss.


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[Yvettea]

Also, the couple “under the bridge” was a mistake when BP relayed it to DG. The couple was seen on the bridge. No link, but it was stated by an admin in Mr. Hughes SM group. You’d have to look into it as I can not post it here. MOO

According to Gray Hughes video Derrick's Path an older man in a plaid shirt encountered DG at the intersection of the path to the parking area and the path to the bridge. That man told DG there were no girls at the bridge. Is it known who that man is?

 

[kat913]

IIRC, when we talked about the plant someone explained that the drivers need to stay close to their trucks because they have to be moved frequently.

My memory could be faulty, of course.

That's what I remember as well....you can't leave (unless you are a team and one stays) because in a line that must be moved.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I'd be curious on how many truck drivers have committed murders. Every case I follow the truck driver scenario inevitably comes up and it was never a truck driver.

Yorkshire Ripper was a truck driver.

 

[Shiressleuth]

That's what I remember as well....you can't leave (unless you are a team and one stays) because in a line that must be moved.

Have a look at the link I posted. Sometimes they are kept waiting so long they have to come back the next day so it isn't a fast moving line by the sound of it. They are usually given a loading time.

 

[margarita25]

According to Gray Hughes video Derrick's Path an older man in a plaid shirt encountered DG at the intersection of the path to the parking area and the path to the bridge. That man told DG there were no girls at the bridge. Is it known who that man is?

Would this be the same man with the "white scarf"?

 

[margarita25]

http://www.flatloads.com/forum/indiana-packers-pork-meat-and-bone-loading/

This is a link that discusses the exact problem with loading and waiting. In case the link is not allowed, I just googled " Indiana Packers waiting time" and this info comes up.

Great find Shire, once again.

INDIANA PACKERS PORK MEAT AND BONE LOADING
http://www.flatloads.com/forum/indiana-packers-pork-meat-and-bone-loading/

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thank you. I’ve seen this video & for whatever reason, completely missed those tracks!


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I'd forgotten them until someone mentioned them yesterday. We talked about them very early on - when LE made it sound like there probably wasn't a vehicle involved.

I rewatched the creek search a bit yesterday - wonder what they were looking for and if they found it. Parts were surprisingly deep.

moo

They were discounted as advised yesterday. Info in the scanner .

 

[margarita25]

I'd be curious on how many truck drivers have committed murders. Every case I follow the truck driver scenario inevitably comes up and it was never a truck driver.

A gazillion, moo. Here's a start.

Forum: Long Haul Truckers & Neal Falls
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?604-Long-Haul-Truckers-amp-Neal-Falls

Also, A&E did a show called "The Killing Season" in which Websleuths was heavily featured. There much discussion about Truckers and SKs.
Here's one discussion link:

TKS S1 E6: "A Killer on the Road".
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?322433-TKS-S1-E6-A-Killer-on-the-Road

Highway Serial Killings Initiative
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?155462-Highway-Serial-Killings-Initiative

Violent Criminal Apprehension Program
Part 2: The Highway Serial Killings Initiative
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/violent-criminal-apprehension-program-part-2

"More than a decade ago, analysts for the FBI’s Violent Criminal Apprehension Program (ViCAP)—the only national database of serial crimes—began to see a marked increase in the number of bodies recovered along the side of the road. A majority of the victims were truck-stop prostitutes, and it turned out that many of the suspects were long-haul truckers. “We had an inordinate number of victims and offenders from this rather specific population pool,” Palazzolo explained.

To make matters worse, these cases are extremely difficult to investigate. A long-haul driver can pick up a prostitute at a truck stop in Georgia, rape and murder her, and dump her body on the side of the road in Florida later that day. The victim has no connection to the area where she was found, and there may be no forensic evidence to collect because the crime was committed hundreds of miles away. The local police detectives investigating the case might have little experience dealing with a crime of this nature and may be faced with few, if any, leads."

*more at link

FBI makes a connection between long-haul truckers, serial killings
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/05/local/me-serialkillers5

Why So Many Truckers are Serial Killers: Jobs that Break the Law the Most
https://newsblaze.com/usnews/crime/...llers-jobs-that-break-the-law-the-most_79409/

"However, it’s fair to say that this is a career that a serial killer would aspire towards. It’s a career that involves trekking across the country, jumping state lines, gaining access to an anonymous world and to the hidden side of the United States, and being afforded the ability to kill with veritable impunity."

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"And the stats back that up, because there are currently “at least” 25 serial killing truck drivers in prison. And when you consider that serial killers in this profession are more likely to avoid detection, and that there are thousands of unsolved murders littering the highways of the US, then this number is likely to be much higher outside of prison."

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"Again though, it’s important to understand that serial killers are attracted to trucking, and not the other way around."

10 Serial-Killing Long-Haul Truckers
https://listverse.com/2015/10/31/10-serial-killing-long-haul-truckers/

FBI: “Ideal Profession For Serial Killer” Is “Long Haul Truck Driver”
https://cdllife.com/2016/fbi-ideal-profession-for-serial-killer-is-long-haul-truck-driver/

"FBI Predicts Possibility Of Increase Of Trucker/Serial Killers

The FBI’s statement even goes so far as to predict that there will be more over the road serial killers in the future: “According to the Department of Transportation, the number of truck drivers on the road in the next 20 years is going to grow exponentially. So if we’ve already identified a population from which we are getting a significant number of offenders, and if we are going to be seeing more and more trucks on the road, the potential for additional highway serial killings is definitely there.”

The agency does point out that “the overwhelming majority of drivers are not murderers—but it does happen, and the pattern is unmistakable.” Said one FBI crime analyst: “This is not to say that every truck driver is a serial killer, obviously, but when we see them come up, when we know that we’ve identified one as a subject, they’re extremely difficult to track down, and the mobility of their occupation allow them access to so many different areas of victim selection and then victim release locations.”"

TRUCK DRIVER IS BEST JOB FOR ASPIRING SERIAL KILLERS, ACCORDING TO FBI
May 26, 2016 by Christine Colby
http://crimefeed.com/2016/05/truck-driver-best-job-aspiring-serial-killers-according-fbi/

"Prostitutes are not always the targets. Adam Lane, a 44-year-old North Carolina trucker, was jailed for 50 years after breaking into a family home in a Boston suburb at night.

He was found holding a knife to a 15-year-old girl as she lay in bed.

After the information was put into the FBI database, he was subsequently charged with two killings in other states."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...rivers-have-murdered-500-women-across-US.html

 

[kat913]

Have a look at the link I posted. Sometimes they are kept waiting so long they have to come back the next day so it isn't a fast moving line by the sound of it. They are usually given a loading time.

Thanks for that forum...but it was O/O (Owner Operators...those that can change their minds about picking up a load and get something different somewhere else) Company drivers are just stuck in line. I live near a steel mill with a constant line of trucks and you must stay so you can move up...very slow process. I'm sure if I stood in that lot I would hear all the mumbling but most find things to do other things to pass the time inline (probably mainly grumbling on CB):winko:

 

[Yvettea]

Would this be the same man with the "white scarf"?

I don't think so. I believe the man with the white scarf was a rumor from some of the girls.

 

[margarita25]

I don't think so. I believe the man with the white scarf was a rumor from some of the girls.

I thought that the rumor was the man in black? Iirc, there was discussion the white scarf was mentioned in the "Derrick's Path" video by GH? Whatever the case, none of these have been verified by LE that I know of.

 

[Shiressleuth]

According to Gray Hughes video Derrick's Path an older man in a plaid shirt encountered DG at the intersection of the path to the parking area and the path to the bridge. That man told DG there were no girls at the bridge. Is it known who that man is?

Well if that was BG he would say that wouldn't he? If it wasn't, LE will know.

 

[margarita25]

So, jumping off this SK and trucker stuff, I had asked about this way upstream, not sure how far we got, but how about we revisit researching murders of prostitutes in the vicinty? Say over the past couple of years?

Question for those who know about the trucking industry...I know this is a broad question, but generally do drivers have the same schedules and routes? I'm sure it all depends.

I was watching this excellent show on ID called "Evil Lives Here" which interviews those close to killers (family, etc) and tells their stories. I can't remember the name of the SK, maybe "Rhodes"? Presented himself as "Dusty Rhodes" initially? Any way, his poor wife, there were strange things that happened over the course of their marriage, but no way could she ever have imagined his evil deeds...anyway, he was a trucker. And now I forgot the point of my post.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Thanks for that forum...but it was O/O (Owner Operators...those that can change their minds about picking up a load and get something different somewhere else) Company drivers are just stuck in line. I live near a steel mill with a constant line of trucks and you must stay so you can move up...very slow process. I'm sure if I stood in that lot I would hear all the mumbling but most find things to do other things to pass the time inline (probably mainly grumbling on CB):winko:

So maybe BG was an O/O and had several hours to kill. Dreadful thought.

 

[kat913]

So maybe BG was an O/O and had several hours to kill. Dreadful thought.

Yes but he would have tractor and trailer to lug around as he left for a different load in a diferent place. In other words, I doubt anyone with a truck could have left that spot (unless going to another site to load up) unless they were a team and then one could have left. So, hypothetically one could have left and commit the crime and the other may be aware or not.

 

[Ozoner]

So maybe BG was an O/O and had several hours to kill. Dreadful thought.

BBM

Your pun made me cringe just a little, but it's a possibility.

Still, I don't think an O/O would be likely to have the knowledge of the terrain that BG exhibited. I still think that BG has stronger ties to the area than just passing through on a trucking route.

 

[Shiressleuth]

Yes but he would have tractor and trailer to lug around as he left for a different load in a diferent place. In other words, I doubt anyone with a truck could have left that spot (unless going to another site to load up) unless they were a team and then one could have left. So, hypothetically one could have left and commit the crime and the other may be aware or not.

IP is a really large site. If the O/O was given a time the next day they could decide to stay and sleep in their unit that night in the Parking area. IP is a 24 hour operation. They have to weigh it up as explained in the forum. If they turn the job down because of a change in the waiting time they then have to argue the toss with IP for the amount of their reimbursement. They don't have a line but get given a time but it can change as live cargo coming in takes precedence and then their times get put back. It is explained in the forum.