IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[matou]

The guy smokes a cigar in the early hours of the morning in a trailer with three sleeping kids???? That's not screwed up or suspicious enough??? The interviewer must have been shifting around and shaking his or her head in complete disgust and disbelief...only to look at the members of Aliahna's family sitting there and backing him up. WTH? BARF

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Respectfully, it isn't a magic wand, but what is commonly called the "age of reason". It is why voting, driving licenses, marriage, etc. are not permitted legally until an individual reaches a certain age.

The assumption being that by the time an individual reaches that particular age, they are capable of making informed decisions and bearing responsibility for those decisions.

We have posters on this forum who have been victims of the worst kinds of abuse. The difference between them and a horror of a mother like TS (assuming she even WAS a victim of abuse), is that at some point they STOPPED being victims. They became SURVIVORS.

These people broke the cycles into which they were born. They became loving, caring and VIGILANT parents, and by virtue of their even being active in this forum, advocates for these children who HAVE no voice.

Regardless of what we have endured as children, when we become adults, we are responsible for the choices we make and when it comes to making choices for our children, we should be held to an even HIGHER standard.

I am not one of these survivors, but I do think I have a good understanding of how hard it is to rise above your upbringing and make decent, responsible life choices.

If we keep lowering the bar and excusing horrific neglect and abuse based on the perps (or complicit parents') own childhoods, then we effectively enable and excuse the continuation of the cycle.

I can only give as an example what I tell my ADHD daughter; "ADHD may be the REASON you want to act a certain way, but it isn't an EXCUSE". Yes, she has to work a little harder than most kids to exercise self control, but there it is.

I am still catching up on the excellent sleuthing over the last day. I had to take a break, as I was getting way too angry, upset and depressed by this whole stinking cesspool of a case. But you guys rock! Awesome finds and developments!

Happy New Year!

And I am one of those survivors...nope...I'm a victor. And I absolutely refuse to sit back and watch someone who has not had the blessed resources and mentors in their life that got me through hell and beyond be crucified. And I am speaking from two perspectives here...having been there, done that and having dealt with so so many women in prison and in the homeless shelters who never had anyone help them understand that the muddy, murky, drowning waters of what they went through is not what most people live through.

For anyone on this board who has survived...good for you! But do not judge everyone based on your ability to get through it. You survived because something went right. There are many many people out there who have lived lots of years without that privilege.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

@my-tee-mouse:

I re-read your post and see that you are also a survivor. (((hugs))))

I wasn't attacking you, the caps were because I am using tapatalk and can't figure out how to bold for emphasis!

No worries, Frayed. I know you are a wise and thoughtful poster.

 

[joshiesmom]

But there are some girls who grow up in an entire family of abusers and in a web of sickness and deceit, where it is condoned. Not only condoned, but highly valued. And IF Ali's mother grew up that way, then I will give her some sympathy because if so, she is truly damaged.

I was molested by my oldest brother for 7 years. When I finally told a teacher, who alerted authorities, my brother was arrested at his college & my parents were called to come to my school, where they were told what was going on. In front of the principal, my mom was solicitous & nice to me, but as soon as we were in the car to go home, she turned on me & wanted to know why I'd made up such lies about my brother. He admitted that he'd abused me & my mother STILL refused to believe it. To this day, my entire family protects my brother & maintains he's a great guy. Even one of my sisters who was also abused by him (he molested both her & me on our parents' bed). The story that my family maintains is that I lied about my brother for attention. The fact that he was convicted of a class A felony means nothing except that I was horribly malicious in trying to wreck his life.

What's my point? I'm not horribly damaged even though I spent my life in an environment where molestation was an "okay" thing & the victim was blamed & demeaned & treated like crap once the truth came out. I grew up pretty screwed up, but counseling & choosing to cut my biological family out of my life so that the cycle of abuse could be broken & my own children could be spared the crap I went through was the route I chose.

I know it's not an easy road for survivors of incest, but dang it, TS didn't have to choose to give her children to a convicted felon!!! I don't care HOW bad her childhood was! I DON'T CARE how challenging her life has been. There's no good excuse in my book for not taking care of your kids. Absolutely zero. As such, I am so thoroughly disgusted by the adults involved in this case that I want to.... well, I can't say 'cuz it would get me a T.O.

 

[FrayedKnot]

I beg to differ, and most of the clients I've dealt with would also. Victims might be totally confused, and some little voice deep inside tells them that something isn't right, but no, it has not been my experience that victims know that what happened to them is wrong, because in many cases, the very people that are abusing them are the ones that are supposed to be teaching them right and wrong.

No one said one word about someone who is abused going on to abuse. I have been abused. Thrice over...babysitter, Bible-thumping grandfather, older friend of older friend. I have never abused anyone. However...have I trusted sociopaths and others who offer a kind hand and word? Yep. You betcha. Because during my "formative years," those people who were supposed to be the paragon of virtue did unspeakable things to me, so the people who said the "right things" must be right, right?

Where has it been shown that this mother did anything to participate in drugs or child or prostitution? Where? Where has it been shown that she is guilty of anything other than trusting someone who worked hard at being trusted? Show me. Anybody. Show me. And yet she's been accused of everything and anything. Where are the links, folks? Where's the proof that this woman is engaged in all the awful things she's been accused of?

I trust my sister with my life and with even more precious child. But even if I were deathly ill, I would SPEAK TO my child every single day and if she a few feet away, I'd lay my eyes on her. This is my sweet sissy, not some convicted felon who lived with perv daddy in child raper heaven.

If I were well enough to play Farmville, then my baby wouldn't even BE at my sister's in the first place right before Christmas.

Maybe there is no proof of drugs or child , but there is no doubt she is a negligent, narcissistic person. And I do believe that we WILL see proof of some thing that are even worse.

But I do agree with not actually accusing TS of drug use or pimping out her kids. Until those suspicions are confirmed. Some people are just theorizing and speculating though.

I don't think the negligence accusations is really debatable, IMHO. She FAILED her child horribly.

 

[beach]

Attention please.

I love the reference lists. Thank you! All these people seem so intertwined - ex's, currents, formers, step, biological... yikes.

This is the thing - we can't use FULL NAMES of anyone not named in the MSM, released by LE or come forward on their own. HOWEVER, I agree that a lot of these characters with records, particularly the RSOs, could prove to be relevant.

So here is the deal -

Identify them by using acronyms. Use initials. When there are duplicate first/last name initials, add another letter. (e.g., KK, KtK, KsK) and cross-reference the intials identifying them as to their relationship to the the perp or to Aliahana - (e.g., former brother-in-law, ex-stepdad, etc...)

That is as far as we need to go until we have further evidence or statements. Keep in mind some of these people may be completely innocent. I would rather err on the side of protecting the innocent. It would be irresponsible of us to permit someone's name be dragged into this ugly, horrid mess who has turned their life around, kwim?


Please bump this post as needed for those who might miss it. :tyou:

Bumping this for those who might not have read the first page of this thread.


Please remember - we can't sleuth anyone and everyone. I've had to remove several references to stuff found on MySpace and FB's of non-players. Please do not bring over comments or refer to pages that can't be linked. Bookmark them or take a screenshot if you want. Maybe it can be linked later as evidence unfolds and LE releases more info.

Thanks y'all.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

This case hits lots of nerves, and there are lots of old old hurts and pains that are being spit out. And that's good. That's really good. In sharing, we cleanse ourselves. For some of us, it's washing off the first layer. For others, it's the 35th.

I'm 55 years old. My abuse started at age 3...one year younger than my oldest grandchild. One year older than my oldest granddaughter. If someone were to touch one hair on their heads, I would tear them apart with my bare hands. But it took me a lot of those 55 minus three years to get to this stage.

Please please please, folks. We have a lot of "victims" on this site. It's why a lot of people are here. But instead of sitting here and making post after post sitting in judgment, please please pleeeeese get out and do something to make things different. Or if you can't get out, write letters. Change the stupid laws that allow molesters to walk or to tread lightly. Become mentors and help show folks that this is not the way most folks live. For every "survivor" (I prefer "victor") on this site, I guar-on-teee you there was at least one positive mentor who made them understand that this is not the life they have to accept...and their kids don't have to accept it either.

It's one minute until a new year where I'm sitting up here in WallyWorldLand. We have tons of good-hearted folks here at WS. Let's make a commitment to help make things right for the Aliahnas of the world.

 

[Bittiness39]

Happy New Year fellow WS'ers! I personally want to thank each and every poster and mod (though you are posters too...just with more privileges ) for all of the tireless work, finding links, FB pages, information about perps...trying to find where they lived, if they are connected to other cases. Many of us have been victims of violent crime, or lost loved ones to violent crime. But you are all heroes to me! Happy New Year! Maybe we can't stop them all. Maybe we can't prevent all of these terrible crimes from happening. But we can try to Sleuth them out the best we can.

My friend's murderer was caught because of posts on a forum like this one. Posters can make a difference. I know this. Because I lived it. Had it not been for forums like this one, the profile of my friend's killer may have continued to remain...and it was wrong. But someone came on our forum with relevant and as it turns out CRITICAL information that helped to sway the FBI and task force away from their profile...and led them to my friend's killer.

Don't give up. Don't give in. I don't have the answers. I just know that it is necessary that we are many...and the evil are few. Maybe there will be enough of us one day for our light to shine through the shadows...maybe.

RIP sweet Aliahna. You paid the ultimate price. But your life and light has now possibly put your siblings out of danger. Put a spotlight on MP and possibly other horrid people connected to him. You can rest now. You've done good. Your siblings are safe now. You are a hero. I am so sorry that you are gone too soon.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I trust my sister with my life and with even more precious child. But even if I were deathly ill, I would SPEAK TO my child every single day and if she a few feet away, I'd lay my eyes on her. This is my sweet sissy, not some convicted felon who lived with perv daddy in child raper heaven.

If I were well enough to play Farmville, then my baby wouldn't even BE at my sister's in the first place right before Christmas.

Maybe there is no proof of drugs or child , but there is no doubt she is a negligent, narcissistic person. And I do believe that we WILL see proof of some thing that are even worse.

But I do agree with not actually accusing TS of drug use or pimping out her kids. Until those suspicions are confirmed. Some people are just theorizing and speculating though.

I don't think the negligence accusations is really debatable, IMHO. She FAILED her child horribly.

And we, as a society, have failed her child...and her...horribly!

 

[jjenny]

And we, as a society, have failed her child...and her...horribly!

Why exactly are we, as society, responsible for this adult woman?

 

[MaraSleuth]

Maybe that is what happened on Thursday, and he bumped it a day in order to establish some sort of alibi, initially?

Would the 6 year olds be able to say when they last saw her with any certainty? My daughter is almost 6 but gets mixed up about yesterdays and tomorrows sometimes (and that is on normal every day activities, not when she last saw her sister).

My son is turning 6 and he gets pretty mixed up too. Very possible IMO to get days confused.

 

[Melanie]

And we, as a society, have failed her child...and her...horribly!

I'm not quite sure how we as a society failed the mother (or the step-father for that mater). I've seen no evidence of abuse, crimes, or a plethora of things that would cause the behaviour of sending her child to live with someone else for a week while she played on her computer. Quite frankly, I know very little about her.

All I've heard is she had the flu. Is this a reason to send her children away for a week? IMVHO - hardly. Step daddy worked at night, but did he sleep all day as well? Most people (like me) live on 5-8 hours of sleep. Add 8 hours of work, that leaves another 8 hours of "adult time". I've yet to hear what step-daddy did during those hours. I can't imagine he slept 16 hours a day.

As parent/step-parents BOTH had an obligation to protect A. Maybe even check on her. I haven't heard where she was ever checked on, or even called (but perhaps that will come out later).

I won't put all the burden on the mother -- I believe that should be shared with the step-father as well.

Just my opinion - thanks.

Mel

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Why exactly are we, as society, responsible for this adult woman?

Frankly, we are all responsible for the rest of us. It is what we do not do that paves the way for poverty, despair, bigotry, hatred, perversion...feel free to add any and all other conditions that apply.

 

[Wild@Heart]

I was molested by my oldest brother for 7 years. When I finally told a teacher, who alerted authorities, my brother was arrested at his college & my parents were called to come to my school, where they were told what was going on. In front of the principal, my mom was solicitous & nice to me, but as soon as we were in the car to go home, she turned on me & wanted to know why I'd made up such lies about my brother. He admitted that he'd abused me & my mother STILL refused to believe it. To this day, my entire family protects my brother & maintains he's a great guy. Even one of my sisters who was also abused by him (he molested both her & me on our parents' bed). The story that my family maintains is that I lied about my brother for attention. The fact that he was convicted of a class A felony means nothing except that I was horribly malicious in trying to wreck his life.

What's my point? I'm not horribly damaged even though I spent my life in an environment where molestation was an "okay" thing & the victim was blamed & demeaned & treated like crap once the truth came out. I grew up pretty screwed up, but counseling & choosing to cut my biological family out of my life so that the cycle of abuse could be broken & my own children could be spared the crap I went through was the route I chose.

I know it's not an easy road for survivors of incest, but dang it, TS didn't have to choose to give her children to a convicted felon!!! I don't care HOW bad her childhood was! I DON'T CARE how challenging her life has been. There's no good excuse in my book for not taking care of your kids. Absolutely zero. As such, I am so thoroughly disgusted by the adults involved in this case that I want to.... well, I can't say 'cuz it would get me a T.O.

You just told my story! I'm sitting here holding my 8 month old grand-daughter in my arms as she sleeps. I can't help but think about beautiful Aliahna. My grand-daughter name is Lilianna. If anyone ever hurt this baby or any of my other 3 grand-children, I will judge them myself! Without a desire to overcome sexual abuse from the age of 3 and to be a victor, I don't know what my life would look like today. My abusers are protected by lies as I am the lying black sheep. I give thanks to Jesus Christ for being my Lord and Savior on the beginning of this New Year. May God Bless ALL of you and keep all these victims and their loved one safe!!

 

[carole]

The guy smokes a cigar in the early hours of the morning in a trailer with three sleeping kids???? That's not screwed up or suspicious enough??? The interviewer must have been shifting around and shaking his or her head in complete disgust and disbelief...only to look at the members of Aliahna's family sitting there and backing him up. WTH? BARF

BBM

The sheriff said on Nancy Grace last week that the cigar was one of the things that made them stop and really look at MP. Going out in the middle of the night/early morning to buy a cigar while babysitting for 3 little girls didn't make any sense.

I think it was a case of MP saying too much, liars are known to say too much, thinking to head off any questions that might be asked later.

Also when he said he would never hurt a child, or an animal. Why add animal - there weren't any missing. But molesters are known to start with animals. Oops said too much again.

 

[twall]

This report may be a few days old (can't find a date on it) but I have not seen it posted here yet. Thought it may come in handy if anyone wants to sleuth cold cases. MP has ties to Juptier, FL.

http://www.cbs12.com/video/c/1143359274/local-news/1349445034001/wpec-localnews

 

[Dee10]

This case hits lots of nerves, and there are lots of old old hurts and pains that are being spit out. And that's good. That's really good. In sharing, we cleanse ourselves. For some of us, it's washing off the first layer. For others, it's the 35th.

I'm 55 years old. My abuse started at age 3...one year younger than my oldest grandchild. One year older than my oldest granddaughter. If someone were to touch one hair on their heads, I would tear them apart with my bare hands. But it took me a lot of those 55 minus three years to get to this stage.

Please please please, folks. We have a lot of "victims" on this site. It's why a lot of people are here. But instead of sitting here and making post after post sitting in judgment, please please pleeeeese get out and do something to make things different. Or if you can't get out, write letters. Change the stupid laws that allow molesters to walk or to tread lightly. Become mentors and help show folks that this is not the way most folks live. For every "survivor" (I prefer "victor") on this site, I guar-on-teee you there was at least one positive mentor who made them understand that this is not the life they have to accept...and their kids don't have to accept it either.

It's one minute until a new year where I'm sitting up here in WallyWorldLand. We have tons of good-hearted folks here at WS. Let's make a commitment to help make things right for the Aliahnas of the world.

I can agree with that particular post above post & I can try to understand where you are coming from in your others; one of my friends said something similar...after I was talking about buying a pitch-fork :crazy: My DH is from a large family, dirt poor, his gym shoes were made from a bicycle tire on the bottom sown to socks; yeah he got beat up a lot. He was sexually abused for a short period around 5 or 6 from an uncle when he stayed at Grandmas but physically abused by Dad the rest of the time. The kids all started working when they were 6-7 years old it was horrible & have cried over some of the stories. They are sorry CPS didn't take them away, which wasn't really available then & Ma had a shot-gun by the door.

Now 6 out of the 8 are well-off (due to the old work-ethic, even though they didn't finish high school), great parents (a little strict maybe), very close to their children, good citizens, well respected in the community, etc. I asked a number of them, how did you break the cycle, what made the difference for you? Most of them said, "we watched other families & learned from them". Only one has had counseling, but I think it also helped watching the older sibling break-out & my parents became like Big Brother/Sisters took them places. We didn't know about the abuse until much later; they all buried it. I only found out about my hubby about 5 years ago, so after about 22 years of marriage he tells me & now he feels so free, he feels comfortable telling others.

DH has been following this story from me & NG. I asked him what he thought about the mother/step-father. He feels she probably was abused, the family connections, etc. but that is no excuse for not seeing the HUGE RED flags all over the place & allowing your children to be in this guys 'care'. Because of the family connections she had to know about MP & the 13 yr. old & yet she willingly let him babysit. He believes A. was groomed to be quiet, because she was taught "it's wrong", therefore they know the difference. He thinks she & her hubby should be facing some kind of charges, breaking the cycle that it is not OK to be negligent. Personally, I wish prisons had really good counseling & education systems, because of most of the prisoners are going to be out walking among us sooner than we think it should be :crazy:.

Sorry for such a long post & Happy New Year to you!

 

[Filly]

I was molested by my oldest brother for 7 years. When I finally told a teacher, who alerted authorities, my brother was arrested at his college & my parents were called to come to my school, where they were told what was going on. In front of the principal, my mom was solicitous & nice to me, but as soon as we were in the car to go home, she turned on me & wanted to know why I'd made up such lies about my brother. He admitted that he'd abused me & my mother STILL refused to believe it. To this day, my entire family protects my brother & maintains he's a great guy. Even one of my sisters who was also abused by him (he molested both her & me on our parents' bed). The story that my family maintains is that I lied about my brother for attention. The fact that he was convicted of a class A felony means nothing except that I was horribly malicious in trying to wreck his life.

What's my point? I'm not horribly damaged even though I spent my life in an environment where molestation was an "okay" thing & the victim was blamed & demeaned & treated like crap once the truth came out. I grew up pretty screwed up, but counseling & choosing to cut my biological family out of my life so that the cycle of abuse could be broken & my own children could be spared the crap I went through was the route I chose.

I know it's not an easy road for survivors of incest, but dang it, TS didn't have to choose to give her children to a convicted felon!!! I don't care HOW bad her childhood was! I DON'T CARE how challenging her life has been. There's no good excuse in my book for not taking care of your kids. Absolutely zero. As such, I am so thoroughly disgusted by the adults involved in this case that I want to.... well, I can't say 'cuz it would get me a T.O.

Please know I am sorry for the pain you have suffered. Myte and KimB as well.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I can agree with your above post & can understand where you are coming from in your others; one of my friends said something similar...after I was talking about buying a pitch-fork :crazy: My DH is from a large family, dirt poor, his gym shoes were made from a bicycle tire on the bottom sown to socks; yeah he got beat up a lot. He was sexually abused for a short period around 5 or 6 from an uncle when he stayed at Grandmas but physically abused by Dad the rest of the time. The kids all started working when they were 6-7 years old it was horrible & have cried over some of the stories. They are sorry CPS didn't take them away, which wasn't really available then & Ma had a shot-gun by the door.

Now 6 out of the 8 are well-off (due to the old work-ethic, even though they didn't finish high school), great parents (a little strict maybe), very close to their children, good citizens, well respected in the community, etc. I asked a number of them, how did you break the cycle, what made the difference for you? Most of them said, "we watched other families & learned from them". Only one has had counseling, but I think it also helped watching the older sibling break-out & my parents became like Big Brother/Sisters took them places. We didn't know about the abuse until much later; they all buried it. I only found out about my hubby about 5 years ago, so after about 22 years of marriage he tells me & now he feels so free, he feels comfortable telling others.

DH has been following this story from me & NG. I asked him what he thought about the mother/step-father. He feels she probably was abused, the family connections, etc. but that is no excuse for not seeing the HUGE RED flags all over the place & allowing your children to be in this guys 'care'. Because of the family connections she had to know about MP & the 13 yr. old & yet she willingly let him babysit. He believes A. was groomed to be quiet, because she was taught "it's wrong", therefore they know the difference. He thinks she & her hubby should be facing some kind of charges, breaking the cycle that it is not OK to be negligent. Personally, I wish prisons had really good counseling & education systems, because of most of the prisoners are going to be out walking among us sooner than we think it should be :crazy:.

Sorry for such a long post & Happy New Year to you!

Take heart in knowing that there are some prisons that have really good counseling and education systems! And from them come many of the success stories that give me hope, passion, and compassion!

We need to make folks do the time...yep...and go through the programs. I've seen many a folk that started a program announcing that they were just going through the motions, only to realize that others were doing the work the programs allowed and were better off for it. And then suddenly the "going through the motions" person starting working the program.

That being said...not everyone will get the benefits of programs. So we don't just rubber stamp people who have gone through the program. They should have to prove they've done the work. And for Gawd sakes....we don't let abusers plead down!!!

 

[mikeysmommom]

I began fearing what I can only hope is the worst once gma began blaming Aliahna and praising MP. That made me want to smack her ( sorry but I did). But more than that, I the worst suspicions of some evil network in which the family was complicit if not actively involved. I won't say anymore cuz I don't want to spend 2012 in Coventry, lol

Evil network is my thinking also................Sickening:furious: I am almost afraid of just how horrible her life was :furious: