IN - Aliahna Maroney Lemmon, 9, Fort Wayne, 23 Dec 2011 - #5

[Ladylub]

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When, in the timeline, did he go to the convenience store? I thought eariler, before, we knew of the body parts in the freezer, that perhaps he lured her into his vehicle to go to the convenience store, and strangled her in the vehicle?

She was killed early Thursday morning. He then placed her in his freezer. Late night Thursday early Friday morning he dismembered her body. Then Friday morning he went to the convenience store for his cigar ( Im guessing that is when he placed part of her body in the dumpster.) It has not been confirmed though and if the convenience store cameras picked up the police removing the dumpster on Monday then I sure they had proof of him throwing something in the dumpster.

Though my question is if they suspected him from the moment he told them about the early morning cigar run and they checked out the stores camera did they see him place something in the dumpster? And if they did why did they not look in the dumpster then? Or did they think nothing of him throwing something away b/c the bag/s were not large enough to have concerned them at that time.

 

[Sparklin]

One thing that points me away from the mother setting up her child is that all three of the kids were with him. Usually if a mother is pimping a kid, she will only send that kid.

But keeping the kids together, that is usually a protective measure. I know for myself I tended to be more leinent with what my kids were allowed to do, if there was more than one of them.

Somehow I can see how this was arranged. Mom having the flu, being ill. MP being 'nice' offering assistance. Maybe the kids even sensed that it would be 'party time' with staying up late and watching TV at his house, they may have wanted to go with him for all I know. Kids are like that sometimes.

Yes he had a criminal record. But his criminal record wasn't against kids. And believe me, in some areas a criminal record isn't all that uncommon. So since they felt they knew him well, probably felt he wouldn't hurt the kids or disrespect her she let them go.

I have noticed several people have commented on her appearance changing and theorizing that she was on drugs, probably meth. But I haven't seen where she has ever been charged with any drug offenses. Am I wrong about that? What I haven't seen is anyone theorizing that Mom could have some chronic or debilitating illness. She could even be in the early stages of that. I did notice that some media mentioned Mom going to court in a wheelchair?

Oh another thing I noted. There were some comments about the fact that Mom went to authorities to get permission to bring a dog (possibly dangerous) into the city limits for her daughter. Many times in mental health situations, and even in sex abuse situations esp if the child is fearful, a therapy dog will be recommended. Now most cities have certain breeds that have been classified as possibly dangerous, whether the dog itself is known to be dangerous or not. I'm kinda thinking that is what was happening there. Again, not the actions of an uncaring parent since she did go to some trouble to try to get the permissions that were needed.

bbm = She made the request and was on the agenda...but failed to show up!

 

[mysteriew]

bbm = She made the request and was on the agenda...but failed to show up!

Thanks Sparklin I hadn't seen that she didn't show up.

 

[Sparklin]

Hold on, now. Did she know he was an RSO? Through all the "this person knew this person knew this person" stuff we've seen...did this mother actually know he was an RSO?

It was Ali's godmothers niece that this happened to. Now it's all very confusing since we don't know for sure when MP was introduced to TS for absolute, but you would think that the Godmother would have mentioned it to her! The problem I have is that these people were all intermingled and although it is coming across as TS had just recently met MP -- there seems to be a whole lot more history with, at least her friends/family.

 

[passionflower]

Are therapy dogs dangerous? NOT.......
and why would you want a dangerous dog around children?
I don't get that part of ringing a dangerous dog into the city thing.............

 

[concentric]

I don't see how he was able to do all of this in the trailer and clean up so meticulously that LE wasn't able to notice ANYTHING when they were in that trailer?

>>warning - graphic stuff written below<<

Cringing as I write this but:

Even if he froze her for 24 hours - as she was out in the temperature of the house she would have begun to thaw. It's not easy cutting up the bones of a frozen chicken - it takes TIME and will begin to thaw - so by the time you're nearing the end you are getting fluids ---it's a bit messy. I can't imagine the mess from this. Hacksaw?

I just can't imagine there not being signs of what he did????????

>>my stomach is totally turned from just typing this<<

:insert crying icon here:

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Well, first I have to commend you (everyone who does) for having the courage to confront what happened to this child, all children who are brutalized like this. There are so many people out there who never even listen to the news, because they don't want to believe it. IMO, It is those types of people that perps. rely on to allow all of this to go on unimpeded.

Yes, exactly where did he do the dissecting and bagging?

 

[katydid23]

Are therapy dogs dangerous? NOT.......
and why would you want a dangerous dog around children?
I don't get that part of ringing a dangerous dog into the city thing.............

There is a picture of Ali holding a german Shepherd puppy. Maybe they needed a special permit for her 'dangerous' dog to attend school with her or something like that.

 

[passionflower]

Was the theray dog just a story for wanting a dangerous dog to
ALERT family and scare others away? Like if you are into something bad?

 

[Montana]

Last night while reading articles in paper it said 2 girls slept on floor, Ali in recliner (yuck)
and MP on sofa, they watched TV together...........what channels?
Disney or ?
Also what did these dear children do all day?
Did they go out and play?
Visit friends or were they all captive to that livingroom in front of a TV?
Did he take them any where?
Did they have toys, play dolls..........
that is no life for them while mom is almost next door.
What man wants to have 3 little girls under foot day and night under the age of 9???

Why was he really sleeping on the sofa? Was he guarding them so that they could not leave?

 

[passionflower]

so a german shepherd puppy is a dangerous dog.........

I had one then for 16 years and my children adored her.
named ANGEL.

 

[FrayedKnot]

You know, this is driving me batty:

I have read that possibly police didn't discover Ailie's remains in the dumpster because they weren't looking for a dead child but an alive child.

If this really is true then protocol for missing children's cases needs to be changed. It should automatically be considered a possibility that missing child has met with foul play.

In the Jorelys Rivera case, blood stains were overlooked in an abandoned apartment because they were only looking for a missing girl.

Sadly, it would seem that nowadays a dumpster is a very logical place to look for a missing child. I cannot believe that if they had MP under suspicion almost immediately, that they only gave that dumpster a cursory glance until MP confessed.

Makes no sense.

 

[MBK]

If you ask me, Alianah could have USED a dog . . . who would probably have had a much better SENSE about reading character and intent than all the so-called adults surrounding her. (This isn't the place to get into a discussion about the pros and cons of Pitbulls, but I've seen some who were the most loving, smart, eager to learn and behave dogs out there.)

 

[Bodhi]

I agree Mel. What could be the reason the mother of the 13 year old didn't go to police?

Perhaps MP had moved away by then.


Updated: I see now that you were talking about why she didn't go the police initially. Perhaps there were other things in the girl's environment that she did not want the police to discover.

 

[katydid23]

Was the theray dog just a story for wanting a dangerous dog to
ALERT family and scare others away? Like if you are into something bad?

Maybe. I know one thing---we have a purebred beautiful German Shepherd, and NOBODY can sneak up on our house. I know immediately when anyone comes anywhere near us. And so does the neighborhood. lol :wolf:

 

[passionflower]

You know, this is driving me batty:

I have read that possibly police didn't discover Ailie's remains in the dumpster because they weren't looking for a dead child but an alive child.

If this really is true then protocol for missing children's cases needs to be changed. It should automatically be considered a possibility that missing child has met with foul play.

In the Jorelys Rivera case, blood stains were overlooked in an abandoned apartment because they were only looking for a missing girl.

Sadly, it would seem that nowadays a dumpster is a very logical place to look for a missing child. I cannot believe that if they had MP under suspicion almost immediately, that they only gave that dumpster a cursory glance until MP confessed.

Makes no sense.

So TRUE, MISSING could mean Dead or Alive and everyone should be looking both ways. LE should! JMOO
So so many are deceased.:furious:

 

[concentric]

I don't see how he was able to do all of this in the trailer and clean up so meticulously that LE wasn't able to notice ANYTHING when they were in that trailer?

>>warning - graphic stuff written below<<

Cringing as I write this but:

Even if he froze her for 24 hours - as she was out in the temperature of the house she would have begun to thaw. It's not easy cutting up the bones of a frozen chicken - it takes TIME and will begin to thaw - so by the time you're nearing the end you are getting fluids ---it's a bit messy. I can't imagine the mess from this. Hacksaw?

I just can't imagine there not being signs of what he did????????

>>my stomach is totally turned from just typing this<<

:insert crying icon here:

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I don't think he was that worried about disposing of her. He saw her as very small and vulnerable. Just as he did when he attacked and then murdered her.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I don't see how he was able to do all of this in the trailer and clean up so meticulously that LE wasn't able to notice ANYTHING when they were in that trailer?

>>warning - graphic stuff written below<<

Cringing as I write this but:

Even if he froze her for 24 hours - as she was out in the temperature of the house she would have begun to thaw. It's not easy cutting up the bones of a frozen chicken - it takes TIME and will begin to thaw - so by the time you're nearing the end you are getting fluids ---it's a bit messy. I can't imagine the mess from this. Hacksaw?

I just can't imagine there not being signs of what he did????????

>>my stomach is totally turned from just typing this<<

:insert crying icon here:

I wonder if he is a cook of some sort. I partially freeze meat or thaw it part way and then cut it in small cubes or pieces because it is far easier to manage than at room temperature. It also isn't nearly as messy because the fluids are part frozen.

I hate to think of this with a child but imagine the process would work the same way, easier to cut and manage to dismember.

 

[passionflower]

I wonder if he is a cook of some sort. I partially freeze meat or thaw it part way and then cut it in small cubes or pieces because it is far easier to manage than at room temperature. It also isn't nearly as messy because the fluids are part frozen.

I hate to think of this with a child but imagine the process would work the same way, easier to cut and manage to dismember.

yes, where did he evn get the idea to freeze then dismember?
and be calm about it?
I would think a 1st time murderer would panic and dump the whole body
quickly or bury it ?????
It's like he knew what he was doing and how many baggies did he use???
Bought ones or the kind you carry stuff home from the store?
We need a presser! from LE

 

[concentric]

Hope that LE is looking at the surrounding woods to see if there is any trace evidence of dismemberment.

Think about it, if he wanted to dismember a body, why would he do it in any identifiable space?

That's what I'm thinking.

 

[Sparklin]

But, if I am not mistaken, Grandma continued to defend this guy AFTER he confessed! That's what blows *me* away.

I don't think that's true. After the confession, one MSM article quoted what Grandma had said PRIOR to his confession. It came off as her having said it after, but it was def. the quote she had made before. I don't believe we have heard boo from the family since his confession. I could be wrong, but I've been pretty diligent in following the info.