IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019 #2 *not guilty*

[Linda7NJ]

And she had records!! I mean the DuPaul’s have them. This guy just did a favor for a friend. He’s unprofessional.

 

[gitana1]

Going through the Prosecutor's witness list again.
I thought the PRIOR ARRESTING OFFICERS had to be for the Barnett’s-

Nope- from the Dr. Phil show we learned Kristine had Natalia call the police on herself, and she WAS HANDCUFFED & ARRESTED and released later.

Their testimony should be real interesting ...

That’s horrible. Poor little girl. She must’ve been so confused and so resigned.

 

[gitana1]

It just makes me laugh. His hard swallowing and weird smile. Knowing what I know of what he wrote he looks like a clown here to me.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I certainly hope a REALLY GOOD VICIOUS LAWYER takes Natalia’s case against Doctor Andrew P. McLaren and every other PROFESSIONAL that not only FAILED this child, but ENDANGERED HER LIFE.

Anything could have happened to that Poor extra little girl - living all ALONE, dumped like a stray dog, with three legs and fleas at a kill shelter.

 

[gitana1]

You, of course are correct.

Thanks for that. I’m pretty sad to be. It would be infinitely more interesting and not heartbreaking if she was an adult scammer. I feel the need to defend her. She’s getting crucified out there. And after what’s she already been through that’s the worst.

It’s a testament to the Mans that she’s doing so well.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It just makes me laugh. His hard swallowing and weird smile. Knowing what I know of what he wrote he looks like a clown here to me.

I think I’m gonna call on Monday and leave him a message -

 

[Meloni88]

Maybe it's not so easy for a layperson but a doctor has no excuse. Especially one writing a letter to a judge about a patient providing medical evidence for a petition that will severely disrupt her life. If he doesn't know the difference between the major types of dwarfism he shouldnt be diagnosing a dwarfism type in a legal document.

And adding to this. Even if you know nothing about dwarfism and missed that lecture in med school...if you take on a patient with dwarfism you have a responsibility to research it so you can provide adequate medical care and advice!

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for that. I’m pretty sad to be. It would be infinitely more interesting and not heartbreaking if she was an adult scammer. I feel the need to defend her. She’s getting crucified out there. And after what’s she already been through that’s the worst.

It’s a testament to the Mans that she’s doing so well.

A big part of me just really hoped, for the same reason, you were wrong

 

[MissA2]

The no accent would actually support N. being a child much more than N. being an adult. It's a lot easier to learn a language when one is a child. The older you are, the harder it is to learn.

Makes me jelly of kids that way.

I don’t think so. IIRC the ICE investigation only stopped because the investigator died. The current investigation started due to a child attending adult classes.

how do you know the investigator died?

 

[Meloni88]

It just makes me laugh. His hard swallowing and weird smile. Knowing what I know of what he wrote he looks like a clown here to me.

I wonder if he knows he effed up and has been worried about this catching up to him. Or if he really always believed in what he was saying. He had plenty of time to backtrack between 2012 and 2016 and didn't. He actually doubled down on it. He should be begging for her forgiveness.

 

[MissA2]

Isn’t it strange that EVERYONE that isn’t a professional knew instinctively & immediately she was a child the minute the met her?

I bet it was them missing baby teeth or “toddler” clothes the “media only shows her in children’s clothes” *pounds head on desk* dwarfs shop in children section unless they can get clothes specially made. <mod snip: link to random FB violates TOS>

 

[jjenny]

You really have to turn yourself in knots to make this remotely believable. The not speaking Ukranian thing is baffling too. Firstly Mykolaiv is in the Russian speaking part of Ukraine. They know her place of birth but didnt look up anything about the place their daughter was born?? Part of their petition to change her age cited Ukraine not having reliable records but now they suggest she isnt from Ukraine anyway? But she found a woman in Ukraine who looks just like her to pretend to be her mother and go along with it?

That's the thing with children moving to a new country. They learn new language really well but they would forget their native language easily, especially if it's not spoken at home (which would obviously be the case with N). So her not speaking her native language (whether it would be Russian or Ukrainian) would be consistent with her moving to US as a young child.

 

[MissA2]

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He also said he believes Natalia has been scamming people into thinkbig she is a child so they will take care of her. LOL makes no sense.
It’s easy to make accusations but no one is coming up with how she scammed adoption agencies.

 

[MissA2]

That's the thing with children moving to a new country. They learn new language really well but they would forget their native language easily, especially if it's not spoken at home (which would obviously be the case with N). So her not speaking her native language (whether it would be Russian or Ukrainian) would be consistent with her moving to US as a young child.

The not speaking Ukraine thing. She was 4 when she came to the U.S. when the Barnett’s got her she was 6. kids apapt easier.

 

[jjenny]

Surely there is a good lawyer that can take on N's case. Mans tried to change her age back to being a child, and couldn't. So she is legally 30. And there seems to be plenty of people to sue here.

 

[jjenny]

The not speaking Ukraine thing. She was 4 when she came to the U.S. when the Barnett’s got her she was 6. kids apapt easier.

And forget their native language easily if not spoken at home.

 

[MissA2]

I don’t know about that but she was a kid at the time. Around 9-10? So she wouldn’t have the faintest idea how to get representation and file an objection.

A court appointed attorney should’ve represented her interests in that proceeding.

Apparently there was one for the second proceeding in 2016 but he couldn’t make headway because the court wasn’t going to challenge the first determination.

She was locked up when they portioned the court. New family spokesperson confirmed.

 

[MissA2]

She was locked up when they portioned the court. New family spokesperson confirmed.

*petitioned

 

[jjenny]

Actually SED instead of DTD is one of the least goofy things I find about that Dr's letter. At least they are both types of dwarfism.

 

[jjenny]

Yeah and I don't think the parents have mentioned schizophrenia in their interviews. I know Kristine didn't. She's changed it to psychopathy and the schizophrenia diagnosis is suddenly unimportant. Presumably because children can have that.

Probably because psychopathic con artist sounds better than schizophrenic con artist.