IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

[Amonet]

I don't think that's the totality of the evidence (at least I hope it's not). I'm happy to be corrected, but I think that's all we've seen and seems to be more of an open letter.

I'm not even sure it's real, is declaring "NB has made a career of perpetuating her age facade" really within the remit of a family doctor?

You're asking good questions about N's medical diagnosis, but it's not something I know anything about, so for the time being, going solely by the pics I'm more inclined to believe N.

It seems to have been written in 2016, could it be related to the Mans family's attempt to reverse the court decision to change N's age to 22?

 

[cherrymeg]

The Ukrainian orphan accused of being an adult hung out at a drug recovery house and took adult education classes during her mysterious 3-year disappearance

According to court documents reviewed by Insider, Natalia was hospitalized multiple times in 2011 and 2012 at St. Vincent Stress Center in Indianapolis, and later at a state-run facility. Psychiatric testing revealed that she had mental illnesses consistent with patients in their late teens or twenties, the court records say.

While Axsom said she didn't believe it was right for a family to leave the country with a young woman recently out on her own, she also doesn't think Natalia was a child.

"I'm not sure how old she was, but she had to be at least 18," she said. "She didn't seem worldly enough to be 30 now. I think it must be something in between."

The two not only attended classes together but socialized in the neighborhood, often meeting up with people from a drug and alcohol recovery house at the end of the block.

"I never worried about her going over there because I was always with her," Axsom said. "[The residents] had to take an alcohol test every night, stay clean, and sign in and out. Natalia was lonely and just wanted people to talk to."

This is scary. It describes an overly friendly child who is lonely and living on her own. She could have been taken advantage and had strangers use her for her home.

 

[cherrymeg]

That letter is bogus for reasons I've stated before.

Just the Re: Michael Barnett

Suggesting or saying she was institutionalized is that legal. It doesn't mean much when it comes from people faking doctor's reports. Some people buy into the evi adopted child/adult plot. Should her medical records be public?

 

[gitana1]

I am local to this case- and trust me NO ONE believes that this physician had anything to do with any of this nonsense.

Serious? But wait. Wouldn't mama Barrett know that in such a notorious case that's now been reported on internationally, the doctor she impersonated would realize his name was being used and immediately step forward?

I mean we don't see his name listed but Michael Barrett's primary care doctor would know who he or she is.

 

[cherrymeg]

Serious? But wait. Wouldn't mama Barrett know that in such a notorious case that's now been reported on internationally, the doctor she impersonated would realize his name was being used and immediately step forward?

I mean we don't see his name listed but Michael Barrett's primary care doctor would know who he or she is.

Do we know they haven't?

 

[gitana1]

Do we know they haven't?

Stepped forward? No. We don't know. But my point is why would the Barrett's release a fake letter knowing the case is in the news and Michael Barrett's doctor would know who he or she is and step forward?

Meaning that would be a very stupid move because they would know the jig is up quickly.

Also, I believe there would be other charges if that letter was faked. Like forgery maybe.

IMO the letter is probably real. The doctor wasn't even the child's doctor. It was the dad's doctor who clearly has personal connections with the family that render him or her incapable of professionalism when dealing with this situation.

I think he or she did a personal favor for this family.

 

[gitana1]

Ummmm people age. Everyone, even dwarves. Being a little person doesn’t mean aging ceases.

True but we aren't talking just aging. She went from a flat chested person with the pointed chin shape of a child to a very different and much older looking person with a large bust.

Her face is exactly like kids between the ages of about 7-10 in the red shirt photo. That chin thing.

 

[gitana1]

Suggesting or saying she was institutionalized is that legal. It doesn't mean much when it comes from people faking doctor's reports. Some people buy into the evi adopted child/adult plot. Should her medical records be public?

I'm thinking they will have to become part of the court record if the state is going to continue with the allegation that they neglected a child.

 

[SandyQLS]

DailyMailTV is claiming that they have tracked down N's birth mother in Ukraine and that they have an exclusive interview with her. Very brief clip, a few seconds, shows alleged birth mother asking N to forgive her:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/dmtv/video/trailer.mp4

 

[Linda7NJ]

I will need DNA corroboration.
If it’s proven this woman is her birth mother and the Daily Mail was able to track her down this quickly, what does that say about the PROFESSIONALS whose job it is?

 

[Linda7NJ]

True but we aren't talking just aging. She went from a flat chested person with the pointed chin shape of a child to a very different and much older looking person with a large bust.

Her face is exactly like kids between the ages of about 7-10 in the red shirt photo. That chin thing.

I hear ya. But she lived alone for an entire year in that apartment. No way could a child of such tender years have done so.

 

[gitana1]

I hear ya. But she lived alone for an entire year in that apartment. No way could a child of such tender years have done so.

Well her appearance shows she was a child when they got her. That chin shape is not present in teenagers. Anyone with kids knows it. Her form of dwarfism doesn't prevent aging. It's the same as the LittleCouple have and they've aged normally.

Regardless, first of all, we don't really know how long she lived alone. Some articles claim three years. Others claim one year. Earlier ones said a few months. But the actual words of the friend who hung out with her after she was abandoned at the apartment are that Natalia disappeared from those apartments in 2013. Which was the same year the parents left her there. I don't think she was there alone for long.

Second, she would've been about 12 when abandoned. Not 6. Not really tender years. I was babysitting and caring for my house at that age.

Third, a child that age certainly could live on their own like this. There are street children around the world who survive for years without adults. Again, Natalia came here from a Ukrainian orphanage. Kids in those places have to learn to fend for themselves.

To compare her to an average suburban American kid makes no sense. This is a child with past experiences few could fathom.

 

[Medstudies]

Birth mother of Ukrainian 'dwarf' denies she is an adult 'sociopath' | Daily Mail Online

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“This girl is my daughter who was born 16 years ago.

'Doctors told me to leave the baby: "Leave her, don’t ruin your life", they said. Both them and my mom told me to leave her.

'They said the baby would never be good, that she would never be able to move, that she would be chained to a chair or to a bed.'

Anna continued: 'She now lives in America with adoptive parents who want to ditch her. I thought everything was okay with her and it turned out that it's not all okay.'”

So birth mother claims that the girl is only 16 years old.

 

[gitana1]

Birth mother of Ukrainian 'dwarf' denies she is an adult 'sociopath' | Daily Mail Online

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“This girl is my daughter who was born 16 years ago.

'Doctors told me to leave the baby: "Leave her, don’t ruin your life", they said. Both them and my mom told me to leave her.

'They said the baby would never be good, that she would never be able to move, that she would be chained to a chair or to a bed.'

Anna continued: 'She now lives in America with adoptive parents who want to ditch her. I thought everything was okay with her and it turned out that it's not all okay.'”

So birth mother claims that the girl is only 16 years old.

Her story and timeline sort of matches with the bone density scans.

Man, Eastern Europe has a messed up view of people with disabilities. "She would never be able to move. She will be chained to a chair or a bed." Uh, not if you don't chain her. Maybe they meant that term differently, but if I was told my kid would never be able to walk, how is that a reason to put her in a horrible orphanage and never see her again?

These people do not have my respect. I'm sorry.

 

[Medstudies]

Dbm

 

[Medstudies]

Her story and timeline sort of matches with the bone density scans.

Man, Eastern Europe has a messed up view of people with disabilities. "She would never be able to move. She will be chained to a chair or a bed." Uh, not if you don't chain her. Maybe they meant that term differently, but if I was told my kid would never be able to walk, how is that a reason to put her in a horrible orphanage and never see her again?

These people do not have my respect. I'm sorry.

Right? When I read “she would be chained” I debated on whether it was meant literally or figuratively.

How could anyone be expected to be well adjusted and sane after enduring chaos and cruelty in their formative years?

Ukraine’s disabled children in dire straits, group says - The Boston Globe

“KIEV —Growing numbers of disabled children in Ukraine are being condemned to life in orphanages and institutions blighted by neglect and abuse, an international rights group reported Thursday.

Disability Rights International...

Children in institutions in Ukraine are exposed to physical and sexual violence and live in danger of being trafficked for sex, labor, and , the report said.”

I can believe the child acted out. I believe the photographic images clearly show developmental changes from pre-pubescent to older teen. And I believe dad was being honest when he told LE “they KNEW she was a child” when they moved to Canada.

 

[Medstudies]

Dbm

 

[kaen]

Her story and timeline sort of matches with the bone density scans.

Man, Eastern Europe has a messed up view of people with disabilities. "She would never be able to move. She will be chained to a chair or a bed." Uh, not if you don't chain her. Maybe they meant that term differently, but if I was told my kid would never be able to walk, how is that a reason to put her in a horrible orphanage and never see her again?

These people do not have my respect. I'm sorry.

This is a common story of children with disabling conditions. There is not infrastructure of social supports for many children who have needs. Parents are often counseled to abandon them. Where my oldest was in an orphanage there were many children who were "warehoused" with conditions like cerebral palsy (fairly minor from what it looked like) and those children languished when in the US they would be given OT, PT, Speech and Language services, as well as an education --giving many the opportunity to have a more vibrant, purposeful life. It is (was) heartbreaking. For children with more serious conditions, the orphanage tried to take care of them the best they could but there was no money, no professional services readily available.

 

[kaen]

Right? When I read “she would be chained” I debated on whether it was meant literally or figuratively.

How could anyone be expected to be well adjusted and sane after enduring chaos and cruelty in their formative years?

Ukraine’s disabled children in dire straits, group says - The Boston Globe

“KIEV —Growing numbers of disabled children in Ukraine are being condemned to life in orphanages and institutions blighted by neglect and abuse, an international rights group reported Thursday.

Disability Rights International...

Children in institutions in Ukraine are exposed to physical and sexual violence and live in danger of being trafficked for sex, labor, and , the report said.”

I can believe the child acted out. I believe the photographic images clearly show developmental changes from pre-pubescent to older teen. And I believe dad was being honest when he told LE “they KNEW she was a child” when they moved to Canada.

In the cases of many I know who have adopted from the Ukraine the answer to literal or figurative chaining of children is literally they are chained or strapped to a bed or caged so they do not escape their bed while laying in filth and not having any significant human contact. Many die of starvation or lack of medical care for the complications of their handicapping conditions.

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

In the cases of many I know who have adopted from the Ukraine the answer to literal or figurative chaining of children is literally they are chained or strapped to a bed or caged so they do not escape their bed while laying in filth and not having any significant human contact. Many die of starvation or lack of medical care for the complications of their handicapping conditions.

How awful!
I travelled through the british adoption system which was rough let alone ukraine. Poor child was always going to have issues, these "parent's " surely were not nieve to that .