IN - Couple charged with abandonment of adopted child after legally changing her age, Sept 2019

[Meloni88]

Yikes at the lawyer's past. Guess Michael needs someone to fight dirty. Explains some of my concerns about how he's been handling things. How hard could it be to find an attorney with a clean record? sheesh.

 

[gitana1]

Natalia isn’t on trial.

The heck she's not. Their entire defense is that she's an adult psychopathic scammer and clearly some are buying that.

 

[gitana1]

Barnette accuses them of making her homeless AND MENTALLY ILL? lol Weird.

I think she meant making a mentally ill person homeless? Ha ha!! I;m not defending her!!!

 

[Medstudies]

Natalia isn’t on trial.

Michael has gleefully hit the talk show circuit to discuss in detail her: pubic hair, periods, mental illness, medical records. She therefore has earned the notoriety of being “the real live adult faking as a child” straight out of The Orphan.

So I beg to differ. She is on trial and she is being crucified.

 

[Meloni88]

Not sure if this has been brought up but I think Dr. Phil is going to have this story on his show...maybe tomorrow. It looks like Natalie and her caregivers will be on.

Where did you hear that? I can't find anything online.

 

[Medstudies]

I never stated that. Don't put words in my mouth. I said that claims that NB was now unable to work on her GED are false drama because programs are widely available in Indiana. NB can work on that GED all she wants with her current legal age, and it's free.

But who can give her back her childhood?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Again, the dad admitted to an officer knowing the kid was a kid when they left her and that his wife told her to lie about her age. In any other case that would satisfy the beyond a reasonable doubt burden for you. I've known you for years. Why not this one?

I’ve shared my personal story, my own experience with dishonest professionals - - dictates I argue the other side of this case.

My own lawyer, who is one of only a handful of experienced attorneys that handled wrongful adoptions and successfully argued a Supreme Court case on wrongful adoptions - Gibbs v. Ernst - even he made a few mistakes. Hard not to considering the vast amount of information accumulated. Thank God it didn’t matter in my case, I won.

I dealt with “professionals” in two states that were absolute morons and wouldn’t know a fact or how to record it if their very lives depended on it.

I came across many “professionals” that refused to grasp the seriousness, depravity, ability to manipulate, the detailed planning that this particular child employed to perpetuate his crimes. Laughing...I know it’s not funny- but it often came back to bite them HARD eventually.

IMO - Most adoptive parents wouldn’t have had the tenacity, knowledge, means or courage to handle it the way I did. To protect my other child and hold those responsible for the negligent placement.

I was actually threatened with arrest for abandonment for refusing to pick him up from the crisis center by DYFS -I didn’t care. Have me arrested. DYFS “doesn’t get involved in kid on kid crime” - Thankfully the police do, did and got a complete confession.

I had to wave the minor’s rights, negotiate with him to tell the truth in exchange for his favorite blanket while he was at crisis.

it’s a long long story & impossible to tell all of it. I feel the Barnett’s story is equally as long, complicated and impossible to tell in articles & edited interviews -

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where did you hear that? I can't find anything online.

Dr Phil is insufferable- sigh...if I watch that show all week and they ain’t on it...I’m hunting you down ...LMAO!

 

[Dawn Day]

I’ve shared my personal story, my own experience with dishonest professionals - - dictates I argue the other side of this case.

My own lawyer, who is one of only a handful of experienced attorneys that handled wrongful adoptions and successfully argued a Supreme Court case on wrongful adoptions - Gibbs v. Ernst - even he made a few mistakes. Hard not to considering the vast amount of information accumulated. Thank God it didn’t matter in my case, I won.

I dealt with “professionals” in two states that were absolute morons and wouldn’t know a fact or how to record it if their very lives depended on it.

I came across many “professionals” that refused to grasp the seriousness, depravity, ability to manipulate, the detailed planning that this particular child employed to perpetuate his crimes. Laughing...I know it’s not funny- but it often came back to bite them HARD eventually.

IMO - Most adoptive parents wouldn’t have had the tenacity, knowledge, means or courage to handle it the way I did. To protect my other child and hold those responsible for the negligent placement.

I was actually threatened with arrest for abandonment for refusing to pick him up from the crisis center by DYFS -I didn’t care. Have me arrested. DYFS “doesn’t get involved in kid on kid crime” - Thankfully the police do, did and got a complete confession.

I had to wave the minor’s rights, negotiate with him to tell the truth in exchange for his favorite blanket while he was at crisis.

it’s a long long story & impossible to tell all of it. I feel the Barnett’s story is equally as long, complicated and impossible to tell in articles & edited interviews -

So basically, you are incapable of being unbiased in the face of this particular story. Got it. And that’s ok. You’re being up front about it. I have my biases as well.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So basically, you are incapable of being unbiased in the face of this particular story. Got it. And that’s ok. You’re being up front about it. I have my biases as well.

I admitted to be biased long ago.
I don’t know what happened

So basically, you are incapable of being unbiased in the face of this particular story. Got it. And that’s ok. You’re being up front about it. I have my biases as well.

I admitted to bias many threads ago.
I’m actually on the fence and for now giving the Barnett’s the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Dawn Day]

I admitted to be biased long ago.
I don’t know what happened


I admitted to bias many threads ago.
I’m actually on the fence and for now giving the Barnett’s the benefit of the doubt.

When you first shared your personal story, I didn’t take that to mean you’re biased in a “recusal worthy” type of way. I took it as ‘Hey, I’ve had some uncommon life experiences, particularly concerning adopting, and am bringing a different perspective to the table.’ With your dismissive answer to my question of—Why no presumption of innocence of Natalia—I can’t help but conclude that your past experiences are coloring your perspective to a degree that makes you immune to otherwise persuasive argument.

 

[Meloni88]

On the fence about whether she was an adult? Or whether they really believed she was an adult?

If it's the former maybe you need to see more picture comparisons?

First three are pictures The Mail acquired from before her time with the Barnetts, the last are after her time with the Barnetts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

When you first shared your personal story, I didn’t take that to mean you’re biased in a “recusal worthy” type of way. I took it as ‘Hey, I’ve had some uncommon life experiences, particularly concerning adopting, and am bringing a different perspective to the table.’ With your dismissive answer to my question of—Why no presumption of innocence of Natalia—I can’t help but conclude that your past experiences are coloring your perspective to a degree that makes you immune to otherwise persuasive argument.

You’re free to conclude whatever you’d like. You’d be wrong.
Every single inconsistency in Barnett’s versions (A few I’ve pointed out myself) every logical & reasonable argument why she’s a child, the possible motive for ditching her is ALL very compelling.

When I said Natalia was NOT on trial, that is a fact.
I understand that’s an inconvenient fact for many.
I’ve actually been pretty darn persuaded that she was a child....I still am waiting to see what else the Barnett’s have as evidence. If we’ve seen & heard ALL of it- they’re screwed.

 

[Meloni88]

And speaking of her time with the Barnetts, it's starting to seem like she was only with them for a really brief time before they'd palmed her off to various facilities. They already started their campaign to prove she was older than they were told in 2010. They mention in their petition that they'd had her in some kind of psych ward for an extended stay, right? And then right after the birth certificate amendment they put her in this halfway house set up for a year. Then she leaves that facility and then gets ditched in Lafayette. I'm wondering how much of their three year custody she even lived with them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

On the fence about whether she was an adult? Or whether they really believed she was an adult?

If it's the former maybe you need to see more picture comparisons?

First three are pictures The Mail acquired from before her time with the Barnetts, the last are after her time with the Barnetts.

Whether THEY believed she was a child, did they set out & conspire to ditch an 11 year old dwarf?
That’s really the biggest question, isn’t it?
I mean to convict them....not morally.
If they believed she was an adult, and the prosecution fails to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew she was a child ...it’s over. They walk.

 

[Linda7NJ]

And speaking of her time with the Barnetts, it's starting to seem like she was only with them for a really brief time before they'd palmed her off to various facilities. They already started their campaign to prove she was older than they were told in 2010. They mention in their petition that they'd had her in some kind of psych ward for an extended stay, right? And then right after the birth certificate amendment they put her in this halfway house set up for a year. Then she leaves that facility and then gets ditched in Lafayette. I'm wondering how much of their three year custody she even lived with them.

That’s a good question

 

[Linda7NJ]

On the fence about whether she was an adult? Or whether they really believed she was an adult?

If it's the former maybe you need to see more picture comparisons?

First three are pictures The Mail acquired from before her time with the Barnetts, the last are after her time with the Barnetts.

These photographs mean nothing to me. Faces change as they age, throughout life. I don’t know anything about dwarfism & from what I can tell from very brief research, there’s often abnormalities in bone density & many often appear to be much younger looking than their chronological age.

 

[Linda7NJ]

https://www.webmd.com/children/dwarfism-causes-treatments

Lots of cans & maybes-
Growth Plates: What You Need to Know | Duke Health


again lots of range and this is for normal children.

Lots of exceptions nothing definitive

How to Determine the Age of a Skeleton

I no expert - but it certainly seems to me there’s no definitive way to determine her age.

 

[Linda7NJ]

https://www.webmd.com/children/dwarfism-causes-treatments

Lots of cans & maybes-
Growth Plates: What You Need to Know | Duke Health
again lots of range and this is for normal children.

Gibbus deformity - Wikipedia

Difference between Dwarfism and Achondroplasia | Dwarfism vs Achondroplasia

 

[Medstudies]

https://www.webmd.com/children/dwarfism-causes-treatments

Lots of cans & maybes-
Growth Plates: What You Need to Know | Duke Health


again lots of range and this is for normal children.

Lots of exceptions nothing definitive

How to Determine the Age of a Skeleton

I no expert - but it certainly seems to me there’s no definitive way to determine her age.

“there’s no definitive way to determine her age” should then be a valid argument in court for child sex offenders/pornographers. No?

The law states we must look at things from the perspective of “reasonable doubt” Their stories are (moo) disturbing and completely unreasonable

This brings to mind that old story of “the glove that just didn’t fit”. What a total miscarriage of justice. And it came about because the jury refused to discern the meaning of “reasonable.”