IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #6

[In vino veritas]

Just saw this report :
Family attorneys say cruise line's story of toddler's death is 'physically impossible'

 

[MassGuy]

If Chloe wanted to bang the glass she could have simply banged the glass. There would be no reason to pick her up for that.

Simple. Easy. Completely destroys SA's ridiculous excuse.

If Chloe wanted to bang on the glass, he should have stopped her from banging on the glass.

That’s just me. Totally agree with your point though.

 

[Kindred]

OMG you people have been chatty. Good. Because I have presents for you clever little sleuthers.

DOCUMENTS INCOMING!

LOTS OF DOCUMENTS.

OVER 100 pages... of... documents.

... Winkleman is going to make me open a go fund myself to cover all the PACER fees if this doesn't get dismissed isn't he?

ANYWAYS - DOCUMENTS!! Goodies coming in this file dump:

Winklemans ship inspection, which gives more photos, graphs and charts and measurements!! (I know some of you are going to be excited for that one)

Pictures of Chloe

And one I find very interesting, an affidavit from the ships doctor about the incident. It's heartbreaking because he comments about Chloes body, being the first to go examine her, but he also offers an interesting bit of info about SA.

I haven't read everything yet but I'll get it all uploaded and posted

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

Just saw this report :
Family attorneys say cruise line's story of toddler's death is 'physically impossible'

I just rolled my eyes so hard I can see the back of my skull. I didn't think this case could get any more outrageously ridiculous.

 

[justice4allnow]

OMG you people have been chatty. Good. Because I have presents for you clever little sleuthers.

DOCUMENTS INCOMING!

LOTS OF DOCUMENTS.

OVER 100 pages... of... documents.

... Winkleman is going to make me open a ******** to cover all the PACER fees if this doesn't get dismissed isn't he?

ANYWAYS - DOCUMENTS!! Goodies coming in this file dump:

Winklemans ship inspection, which gives more photos, graphs and charts and measurements!! (I know some of you are going to be excited for that one)

Pictures of Chloe

And one I find very interesting, an affidavit from the ships doctor about the incident. It's heartbreaking because he comments about Chloes body, being the first to go examine her, but he also offers an interesting bit of info about SA.

I haven't read everything yet but I'll get it all uploaded and posted

Kindred, you always come through, thank you!

 

[BeachSky]

Just saw this report :
Family attorneys say cruise line's story of toddler's death is 'physically impossible'

From your link via Winkleman ....
“The video shows the toddler following her grandfather toward the big windows. Anello is seen leaning over an interior railing in front of the windows.”

Ah, not true! Grandfather was following the toddler. It’s on video!
What happened to “wall of windows”....now it’s “big windows”.
And they say “leaned over interior “ ..”in front of the windows”

MOO

 

[In vino veritas]

I just rolled my eyes so hard I can see the back of my skull. I didn't think this case could get any more outrageously ridiculous.

Right??!! It would be laughable if the circumstances weren’t so sad.

 

[Chikkamma]

The mother who held her son over the railing of the African Painted Dog exhibit, dropping him into the exhibit sued the zoo and the zoo settled. The little boy was torn to shreds.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrEeB2z2Che6HQAyAQPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNXM5bzY5BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMzBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1579764020/RO=10/RU=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/parents-of-2-year-old-mauled-by-wild-dogs-settle-pittsburgh-zoo-lawsuit//RK=2/RS=kNwuBkJzy97RUP5kUyCVRQ5oVBk-

However, the mother who dangled her son and dropped him into the Cheeta exhibit was charged. And get this......she was a childcare worker...go figure.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrEeB0V2ShesXIAvAcPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1579764117/RO=10/RU=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mother-who-dropped-child-cheetah-exhibit-childcare-worker-n340846/RK=2/RS=F4GERs1Gv60o7fvp3TDrwlokoEY-

These 2 cases are very different.

The mother who dangled her son in front over the African painting dogs exhibit won only because her lawyers proved that the zoo knew that parents were doing this, and it was discussed at one of the zoo’s safety meetings, yet the zoo did nothing about it. They were able to prove the zoo was aware of the danger due to the zoo knowing of previous incidents of parents dangling their kids to see the painted dogs.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Just saw this report :
Family attorneys say cruise line's story of toddler's death is 'physically impossible'

Check out the guy who is measuring. He’s not even bending over and can reach the window and beyond.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Exciting! If I have to pull an all-nighter to peruse the documents, I'll do it I can sleep on the flight to FLL tomorrow.

 

[Forever Young]

The headlines are running with this now:

Family of girl who died in cruise ship fall disputes photos used to blame grandfather
The company "has demonstrably lied to this court and, in so doing, Royal Caribbean has created a false narrative," according to Chloe Wiegand's parents.
Family of girl who died in cruise ship fall disputes photos used to blame grandfather


Girl's Family: 'Impossible' to Lean From Cruise Ship Window
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/arti...ly-impossible-to-lean-from-cruise-ship-window

Just saw this report :
Family attorneys say cruise line's story of toddler's death is 'physically impossible'

 

[Yellowbeak]

I was not referring to just Chloe. I mean any other child or person, no matter how they got there, could they have also fell from that window. Was it wide enough for any other child to have fallen from it, under different circumstances?

Not unless they were lifted there. That is the point.

 

[Forever Young]

Thank you, once again @Kindred.

 

[katydid23]

I was not referring to just Chloe. I mean any other child or person, no matter how they got there, could they have also fell from that window. Was it wide enough for any other child to have fallen from it, under different circumstances?

But that open window was too high up for a child to get to. And there was a guard rail in place.

Chloe fell through because an adult placed her there, OVER the top of the barrier.

Another child could only fall under similar circumstances---if an adult placed them there.

It will be sad if this horrible man's reckless actions prevent future cruise passengers from being able to open windows and breathe in the ocean air.

 

[MassGuy]

Not unless they were lifted there. That is the point.

That is precisely the point.

You don’t get to kill a child, misdirect blame, and then cash in.

In order for Chloe to die, her grandfather had to facilitate it. Anyone can fall from an open window, as it’s a fricken window.

But she needed help to do that. He obliged.

 

[oviedo]

OMG you people have been chatty. Good. Because I have presents for you clever little sleuthers.

DOCUMENTS INCOMING!

LOTS OF DOCUMENTS.

OVER 100 pages... of... documents.

... Winkleman is going to make me open a go fund myself to cover all the PACER fees if this doesn't get dismissed isn't he?

ANYWAYS - DOCUMENTS!! Goodies coming in this file dump:

Winklemans ship inspection, which gives more photos, graphs and charts and measurements!! (I know some of you are going to be excited for that one)

Pictures of Chloe

And one I find very interesting, an affidavit from the ships doctor about the incident. It's heartbreaking because he comments about Chloes body, being the first to go examine her, but he also offers an interesting bit of info about SA.

I haven't read everything yet but I'll get it all uploaded and posted

We are indebted to you @Kindred

 

[SugarPlumLairy]

OMG you people have been chatty. Good. Because I have presents for you clever little sleuthers.

DOCUMENTS INCOMING!

LOTS OF DOCUMENTS.

I haven't read everything yet but I'll get it all uploaded and posted

Kindred, you are too good to us! Thank you in advance xx

 

[oviedo]

Exciting! If I have to pull an all-nighter to peruse the documents, I'll do it I can sleep on the flight to FLL tomorrow.

Safe travels and a wonderful voyage @BetteDavisEyes
I’m looking forward to your synopsis but only if u r packed btw I never knew I could download docs to my then retrieve them in airplane mode ...

 

[vallie]

Didn't Chloe's parents consider filing a lawsuit right away?
I think that may be one reason why he has never actually admitted fault.
If he does, his daughter might consider it a betrayal or think it will hurt their case.
I think things would have been much different if they had never blamed the company.

Imo

Im wondering if during interrogation,the the cops were telling the parents its grandpas fault according to cctv, and they worried he would be charged with manslaughter so they quickly hired a lawyer who told them it was the cruise line fault they agreed t0 this charade in order to save grandpa and make a big payday.

 

[Kindred]

Alright!! I'm going to do this big one first, because I think this is what most people are going to want to see. This is, honest to god, only TWO THINGS filed by the plaintiffs. But the second one is so overwhelmingly huge that it is broken down into FOUR SEPERATE DOCUMENTS in the filing. I'm sticking them all up on DOCDROID just because I have a feeling we're going to be doing a lot of referring back to different things.

WARNING I HAVE NOT FULLY READ ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS BEFORE POSTING. I say this because the one document that Winkleman included, the statement from the ship's doctor, includes a description of what he witnessed of Chloe's body, including massive head trauma. It is brief, but it is there, and I know several people have posted previously that they don't want to see anything dealing with her injuries/fall. So if you don't want to read about that please skip the last document. I don't know if Winkleman discusses it anywhere else in the oposition so just be warned you may want to wait and see what others say.

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PLAINTIFFS’UNOPPOSEDMOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE PRELIMINARYRESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO DISMISS COMPLAINT FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CAUSE OF ACTION [D.E. 7]IN EXCESS OF PAGE LIMITATIONS

Wiegand vs RCCL CASE NO. 19-CV-25100-DLG
Filed 01/22/20

wiegand motion to file excess pages.pdf

summary: Winkleman asks nicely to file a massive amount of pages

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Enter the massive amount of pages (somewhere around 130 in total)

PLAINTIFFS’PRELIMINARY1RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO DISMISS COMPLAINT FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CAUSE OF ACTION[D.E. 7]

Wiegand vs RCCL CASE NO. 19-CV-25100-DLG
Filed 01/22/20

Wiegand Prelim Response to Dismiss 1.pdf
This is the actual argument. Winkleman puts all civility aside in it and flat out accuses RCCL of lying to the court. Get your popcorn because this is salty.

Wiegand Prelim Response to Dismiss 2.pdf
Two photos of little Chloe at the ice rink. One in SA's lap leaning close to the glass, one of her again just standing at the glass in another area.

Wiegand Prelim Response to Dismiss 3.pdf
This is what we've been waiting for! The ships inspection! All 101 pages of it

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This one I'm moving separately because it's the doctor's declaration. This one is the one to skip if you don't want to hear about poor little Chloe's state after the fall. But I will say that it has the most interesting contradiction to anything Winkleman ever said about the incident. Per the ship's doctor: SA WAS NEVER SEDATED BY HIM OR HIS STAFF AFTER THE INCIDENT. Only KW and grandmother "Mary" were sedated.

Wiegand Prelim Response to Dismiss 4.pdf