IN - Grandfather charged in cruise ship death of toddler Chloe Wiegand #7

[justbreathe]

Wow, if this is true. I’ve read that a staff member saw what he was doing and was trying to stop him, but it was during the same incident which caused Chloe’s death, not two separate incidents. Wasn’t SA only alone with her for fifteen minutes? What would his motive be? Surely this has not put him in good stead with his wife, Chloe’s maternal grandmother.

I have always been with the camp that he did not deliberately murder her. His motive, why? What would he stand to gain? Perhaps he has a borderline personality disorder. (Otherwise known as a psychopath.) He certainly was playing fast and loose with Chloe’s life.

I don’t know if he is being pressured by the family to go along with their narrative, but if he is may I add SA is an idiot as well as a negligent, lazy, careless, ne’er do well big fat liar.

Borderline and psychopath are 2 different things.

We have gone over possible motives including money, hate, jealousy and plain old psychopathy or something like that.

The only other thing that makes sense to me, almost more sense, is that he took maybe a couple xanax to relax from traveling, had a drink possibly, and ended up way more messed up than he intended or even realized.

Which is why he was following her around 10 paces behind, squatting on the floor, laying over the rail, scooping her up like a bag ‘o ‘taters, to “try to find glass...where...glass...”

 

[justbreathe]

Once again, the need for more emphasis and attention to the speed, absolutely no hesitation and what appear to be very deliberate movements with which SA lifted little Chloe from floor to guardrail and beyond. SA spent eight seconds leaning over the guardrail immediately prior to picking up Chloe. The mind wants to reject what it is seeing, but it cannot after watching and rewatching the video.

ETA: Posted before reading @neesaki’s post. Very well put and thank you!

Mixing prescription drugs and alcohol would also explain his lack of reflexes and total dumbfoundedness at watching her fall.

 

[justbreathe]

i believe they are married, the local paper reports her as wife, I think property records support that....imo

I have a feeling we are going to find out he is at best her common-law husband, if such a concept exists in their state. Jmo

 

[justbreathe]

Boyfriend? I thought he was the mother's husband and that they married about 20 years ago, when KW was still a teenager.

I don’t know. I think we might find out they have just been together since then... Imo

 

[HRH Phoebe Cat]

The whole thing just stinks to me. Earlier I made a post and than thought better of it not wishing to be on the permaband list so deleted it.
My self-deleted post did involve references to dire needs of enemas.

Edited: grammar

 

[HRH Phoebe Cat]

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It is extremely odd, the tenacity and aggression with which she defends the killer of her child.

And I cannot like this post enough....

 

[Pigey]

I think of SA as a "boyfriend" because he had no blood relation to Chloe. He brought tragedy to this family and KW's defense of him is beyond understanding.

 

[HRH Phoebe Cat]

IIRC it was @al66pine who made references to “papa bear, mama bear and baby bear steps” regarding the so-called “expert witness” in this case. To me, it’s just like someone teaching mathematics (admittedly my personal nemesis). A slightly different spin helps add clarity. And, once again, not a lawyer and these are just my own thoughts.

To me, JMO, being able to bounce thoughts around, makes all the difference in the world and is one of the true powers in the internet of today. I, personally and JMO, do NOT feel “mama bear” in KSW. Mothers of so many species have “mama bear” instincts in their DNA for a specific reason...to protect and to defend their little ones at ALL costs. Just SO not feeling it here. How in the name of all that is holy and sacred (regardless of one’s own personal beliefs...apologies for a bit of a PC topic) is the death of one’s own child a mere “misdemeanor” and the perpetrator a victim of the cruise ship? Once again...my own thoughts.

 

[SaucyWalker]

The vigor with which the plaintiffs are arguing their case against RCCL (and, by default, in their "support" of Anello) can only be explained away for two reasons (IMO):
1. By persistent refusal to admit any fault of Anello they believe they're increasing their claim of culpability against Royal Caribbean. Obvious, I know.
2. There may be passive-aggressive reasons as well -- although Sam Anello is not being fingered by the family as the negligent party they are, nonetheless - and deliberately, I think - punishing him via the whole dark circus that has surrounded this case and the fact that his reputation will be forever damaged by his "little error" in judgment.

 

[they'll get you]

It is extremely odd, the tenacity and aggression with which she defends the killer of her child.

Could a member of the family be so stricken they were suicidal? Dad looked devastated at that last interview. The brother might not be holding up well.
Survivors guilt? Self blame?
That could make people shift focus.

It happened to me when a catastrophe happened in my family and I wanted revenge but the incident effected some totally differently and my focus had to turn on caring for their mental welfare.

 

[JerseySleuth17]

Borderline and psychopath are 2 different things.

We have gone over possible motives including money, hate, jealousy and plain old psychopathy or something like that.

The only other thing that makes sense to me, almost more sense, is that he took maybe a couple xanax to relax from traveling, had a drink possibly, and ended up way more messed up than he intended or even realized.

Which is why he was following her around 10 paces behind, squatting on the floor, laying over the rail, scooping her up like a bag ‘o ‘taters, to “try to find glass...where...glass...”

This is what I suspected, that he was medicated and/or drunk somehow. To put an 18-month old child up to a "window" and then take your hands far enough away from her that when she starts to fall forward, you cannot grab her fast enough, boggles my mind. OR your reflexes are dulled...why?? In the videos you see him crouching down to rest against a column, he is lagging too far behind her to jump in if she gets into anything as she walks towards the windows... in the video afterwards when he is at the airport he seems totally nonchalant, certainly not wracked with grief. I think there is something VERY wrong with him psychologically. I think he thought it was funny to swing her to and fro in front of the window but imo he 100% knew that window was open, there is something in his actions that go way beyond just an accident or negligence, and the family defending him is so completely odd. I'm sure RCCL already has his medical history.

 

[al66pine]

SA. Married or Not?

i believe they are married, the local paper reports her as wife, I think property records support that....imo

@Pammi That's ^ some evd, but not enough for doubters, who wd/be convinced only by a marriage certificate. Property records* I found seem to support a marriage, but I did not search for marriage license or cert. since I did not have a known year or known county or state to search.
{{ETA: Sorry to state/ask (w'out a link), but didn't the early July MSM report --SA was a resident of Valparaiso, IN? And yet other reports since then say Niles, MI. And seems he & Patricia do own a home in Niles, purchased in Sept 2017. Unless it's a different SA?}}
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* searched casscountymi.org, then property tax records, entered "anello"
Got one property, showing "owner" as "ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA"
^ Seems to support marriage, but sometimes ppl just start using new name w/out marriage or ct order.
Street address in Niles, MI.
At bottom of page, "Sale History" shows Sept. 1, 2017 by Warranty Deed, and
"ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA" as Grantees.<<<presumably that info is on deed, absent a clerical or admin mistake.

 

[Wehwalt]

SA. Married or Not?
@Pammi That's ^ some evd, but not enough for doubters, who wd/be convinced only by a marriage certificate. Property records* I found seem to support a marriage, but I did not search for marriage license or cert. since I did not have a known year or known county or state to search.
{{ETA: Sorry to state/ask (w'out a link), but didn't the early July MSM report --SA was a resident of Valparaiso, IN? And yet other reports since then say Niles, MI. And seems he & Patricia do own a home in Niles, purchased in Sept 2017. Unless it's a different SA?}}
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* searched casscountymi.org, then property tax records, entered "anello"
Got one property, showing "owner" as "ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA"
^ Seems to support marriage, but sometimes ppl just start using new name w/out marriage or ct order.
Street address in Niles, MI.
At bottom of page, "Sale History" shows Sept. 1, 2017 by Warranty Deed, and
"ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA" as Grantees.<<<presumably that info is on deed, absent a clerical or admin mistake.

It would be interesting to know how they hold the property. If they hold it as tenants by the entirety, then they're married.

 

[al66pine]

IIRC it was @al66pine who made references to “papa bear, mama bear and baby bear steps” regarding the so-called “expert witness” in this case... Mothers of so many species have “mama bear” instincts in their DNA for a specific reason...to protect and to defend their little ones at ALL costs.

HRH Phoebe Cat bbm sbm Mama Bears? I. agree, great protectors, not sure how it ties in w my prior post. Or maybe I'm being too literal.
Jaques' report alleged RCL vids were deceptive because of cam placement and said plainitiff's pix taken "two steps" away were accurate. My post noted (tried to?) absurdity of his use of "two steps" to describe a distance. Paraphrasing myself, my post said - for those "two steps" he did not give a distance in inches, did not say whether steps were Papa Bear, Mama Bear, or Baby Bear sized (< me being sarc on that post). He measured so many distances, seems to me that he either failed to measure that distance or deliberately omitted it from his report. Why?

 

[Lawnguylander1964]

SA. Married or Not?
@Pammi That's ^ some evd, but not enough for doubters, who wd/be convinced only by a marriage certificate. Property records* I found seem to support a marriage, but I did not search for marriage license or cert. since I did not have a known year or known county or state to search.
{{ETA: Sorry to state/ask (w'out a link), but didn't the early July MSM report --SA was a resident of Valparaiso, IN? And yet other reports since then say Niles, MI. And seems he & Patricia do own a home in Niles, purchased in Sept 2017. Unless it's a different SA?}}
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* searched casscountymi.org, then property tax records, entered "anello"
Got one property, showing "owner" as "ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA"
^ Seems to support marriage, but sometimes ppl just start using new name w/out marriage or ct order.
Street address in Niles, MI.
At bottom of page, "Sale History" shows Sept. 1, 2017 by Warranty Deed, and
"ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA" as Grantees.<<<presumably that info is on deed, absent a clerical or admin mistake.

When I searched the real estate tax records for Porter(?) county for the address that they live in in Valparaiso, IN, it has someone else's name on it. When you search the same address, a page comes up that says they are the current owners.

I'm not sold yet ;o)

 

[al66pine]

SA. Married? Living Where?

It would be interesting to know how they hold the property. If they hold it as tenants by the entirety, then they're married.

@Wehwalt
Going back to Cass County site* I noticed a couple things:
- Sale History shows terms of sale as "arms length." < FWIW. Also shows liber/page for deed,w no link. So how held? Ten/Ent? JTRoS? Ten/Com? Still IDK.
- Appears SA (and/or Patricia) claimed homestead exemption** so presumably they live there.
- Tax History/Last Payment shows 12/21/2018.
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* searched casscountymi.org, then property tax records, entered "anello"
** "Principal Residence Exemption Information" shows homestead date of Sept 2017, same month they bought. Appears exempt as of June 1, 2019, 100% most recent final info year. No final % for 2020.
"Sale History" shows Sept. 1, 2017 by Warranty Deed, and "ANELLO SALVATORE & PATRICIA" as Grantees.

 

[al66pine]

Randall Jaques. CV?

Jaques is the go-to guy for all cruise ship cases on both sides.He's done something like 2k? cases.
His CV is the first motion posted. Plus if you google his name and cruise ship, all his cases come up.

@Lawnguylander1964 Yup, I googled. You're right.
Lots of cases. You might even say boatloads of cases.

Which first motion? This: affidavit of expert randall jaques.pdf
Or another one?

 

[Lawnguylander1964]

Randall Jaques. CV?
@Lawnguylander1964 Yup, I googled. You're right.
Lots of cases. You might even say boatloads of cases.

Which first motion? This: affidavit of expert randall jaques.pdf
Or another one?

Ha! Boatload is right.

It's not the affidavit document, it's the first one introducing him as the expert witness. I think it's in there. Unless I googled his CV and am misremembering.

 

[Lawnguylander1964]

I am not sold on them being married or owning the house.

Spokeo and those types of sites aren't reliable in terms of names. Many people use various names in different places even though they aren't their legal names. They just pull them all from various sources.

If you've ever done a Lexus/Nexus search on yourself it's eye opening and scary. My first and last name are mispelled on various magazine subscriptions and even an old Nieman Marcus credit card and those spellings haunt me 35 years later and came up on my initial security clearance investigation.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Chloe's obituary lists maternal grandparents, Salvatore and Patti Anello of Niles Michigan. You can find it in the media thread at the front of this thread.