IN IN - Kristy Kelley, 27, Boonville, 15 Aug 2014 #2

[NatalieLouiseXx]

No! Oh my god. I'll have to give it a read, how horrific!

 

[88keys]

That's what they say, little crime, but people have pulled up about five to seven cases of teens and women who've gone missing recently - very recently and over the past few years.

That's not really true. There have been two in the Southern Indiana area this summer. The others are farther away (Southern Illinois, Muncie, Owensboro) and so far, there is nothing to connect them to Joelle or Kristy.

 

[88keys]

Do we have anyone on here local to Boonville, that might know specifically what businesses are open late Friday night, into Sat. morning? I do know there is a 24 hr Walmart and at least that Southside Bar. What about gas stations? Does St Marys have an emergency room, open at night?

Yes, St Marys and Deaconess e-rooms would be open all night. But they are in Evansville, not Boonville. That would be the nearest hospital, though.

I don't know about your other questions. I do know the Hoosier Nat. Forest is a bit of a drive from the Boonville area.
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[shutterbug22]

Indy is 3 hours up the interstate from Boonville but maybe one of the missing women from Indiana... http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/n...lis-West-Side-273444931.html?llsms=962451&c=y

 

[ThinkThinkThink]

This is a true mystery, isn't it?

I was pretty confident Kristy had an accident, but the longer this goes I'm losing that confidence. If foul play is involved, I think it was someone close to Kristy. They sure went out of their way to hide her car.

I'm starting to wonder if she didn't make it home and was accosted right there while she was looking for her phone. I'm feeling shades of the woman from Florida who was on a court tv show. I apologize for not remembering her name. IIRC her phone helped solve that case. It's a damn shame Kristy's phone was left at the VFW.

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:websleuther:Yeah, it sure is a mystery...it's hard to make all the pieces of the evening fit logically together...I realize that can be said for many cases, but this one seems like it has some extra quirks to it.

And I am sorry if I sound like a broken record, but the cellphone thing is still something that I am hung up on (no pun intended).

Thanks to "woe.be.gone," I went back to re-read that interview of JVM with Kristy's Mom. Before I mention something that hit me upon re-reading it, I do remember either reading or seeing Kristy's father making a statement about talking to Kristy before she went out for the evening, and being that she left from her parent's house, it makes perfect sense that they both saw her before she left for the night (saw what she was wearing/what she brought with her, etc.)...

INTERVIEW SNIPPET:thinking:

Well, from that interview with JVM and the Mom, I noted this section, where JVM asked Kristy's Mom if she thought it was unusual that Kristy left her phone in the bathroom:

SCALES (Kristy's Mom): "You know, my mind has wondered both ways thinking, well maybe she was just using the restroom, didn`t want it to fall out of her pocket, laid it up on the shelf. But it`s very, very unlike her not to notice it, you know, like immediately not being in her pocket. Because you know, young girls, their phones are like attached to their hip anymore it seems like. And I just can`t imagine her not walking back in there."


Besides the fact that Kristy's Mom pretty much confirms her daughter was one who was "attached" to her phone, her Mom also twice refers to Kristy's phone being in her "pocket," so I am making a little assumption here that the Mom 1) knows that's where her daughter carries her phone all the time and/or 2) quite possibly, Kristy had no purse with her (like some women just do not take their purses into bars -- they just put their ID/phone and cash in their pocket). But her Mom never mentions a thing about Kristy having a purse or thinking Kristy would realize she hadn't put her phone in her "purse." Again, it is a bit of an assumption, but maybe a fairly reasonable one...that the cellphone was in Kristy's pocket that night -- not ever in a purse. So...

WHAT'S MY PROBLEM?

So here's my problem...let's say Kristy did just decide to leave the bar without telling her bartender friend she was leaving (again, I do still find that very odd, but I'll let it go and play that out as IF she did)...and I guess we can (for argument's sake) say she used the restroom before she left the bar...because, yes, her cellphone was left there. Yes, brilliant deduction, I know. LOL.

So here's the thing: I find it EVEN MORE unlikely that Kristy did not realize she was missing her phone almost immediately after leaving the bathroom...or at least realize it was not on her by the time she got out to her vehicle in the parking lot. Especially when she sat down in the SUV. Those who carry phones in their pockets probably know what I mean...if she was carrying it in her pocket, she would be able to tell almost right away, I would think...especially if it was her habit to have it in her pocket.

So then all I can think is that she would absolutely want to come right back inside the place to get her phone, right? I mean, why wouldn't she? She wouldn't want to retrieve it later, when she could just go get it.

TIMING IS EVERYTHING:camera:

But in this scenario, she did NOT come back inside to get her phone -- and so it COULD be argued that someone grabbed her at that point and restrained her in the car (I have not considered someone grabbing her in the bathroom or inside, only because it just seems unlikely to me that someone could pull that off with people still inside)...and I have read through recent threads and see the disparity in the time issue, as far as the estimate of when she left the VFW and when her car was shown passing by the ice cream place ...so again, just like it seems to be at almost every turn in this case, I am not sure what to weigh as "fact." Is there really a 20-minute time gap? If so, I agree that is very significant. Could there have been a struggle near or in her vehicle to account for that gap of time? It still seems hard to believe anyone would struggle with her in the parking lot when others were still in the place and could come out at any time, but I guess it is possible...and who knows exactly where she parked her vehicle, so maybe it was at a location where it was harder for someone to see it/hear her yell out. Just throwing out some ideas, as I go off the fact that the cellphone was in the bathroom.

I did see where someone said it's possible that someone stole her cellphone during the night -- yes, it's possible, but again, if she kept it in her pocket (if my assumption on that is correct), it is hard for me to see that as being a possibility...and if someone else (perp) puposefully put it in the bathroom after the fact, I have to say that is hard for me to imagine -- because the perp would then (again, going on my assumptions) have to head back into the VFW to place her phone there in the bathroom, with the risk of running into people. So that seems so unlikely to me. And I am just not going to "go there" in looking at anyone who worked at the VFW, because I truly have nothing at all to go on for that and feel like it would be unfair to speculate. So just looking at how this current scenario plays out...

But, setting aside the timing issue (and we may not be able to know how accurate the timeframe is) if the parking lot kidnapping occured, would we see 1) the vehicle being driven in the direction it was -- toward her house -- and 2) then back later? I guess that second siting of the vehicle is still not for certain. Taking Kristy in her own vehicle is a stretch for me, unless whoever grabbed her did not have a vehicle. I can see the possibilities of how she met up with foul play after willingly leaving the bar on her own accord -- but again, in my assumption that she would have realized her cellphone wasn't on her, those scenarios don't work for me because I never see her leaving the parking lot without wanting to go back inside to retrieve her phone...I am not saying I am right about this assumption regarding the cellphone -- but it is why I am "stuck."

IS THIS POST EVER ENDING?:facepalm:

Thanks (to anyone who bothered to read this) for letting me get out all my thoughts as to why I am stuck on the phone...just processing that out has freed up some much-needed space in my brain. But really, as I processed this out, it is the "maybe if this is true/right" then "perhaps this could be right" type of thing as to why this case is hard (for me) to come up with logical scenarios of what happened.

I'm not sure if anyone will even get what I am trying to say here (despite trying really hard to explain it and please forgive the length!)...but yes, I'm still thinking that cellphone being left is very odd and possibly does mean something in the scheme of this...and it's why I am leaning more toward this somehow being foul play -- despite not understanding the exact "hows" of that -- or the possibility of her having left abruptly (and possibly puposefully) left her cellphone behind -- but no real understanding of the "whys" of that either.

I don't like either of the two possible conclusions I am leaning toward. But her running off to assume a new life or having an accident seem less likely to me the more time that goes by, for obvious reasons and other reasons I won't get into...because this post is already record-breaking too long. But I also do not discount them as possibilities because given the right set of facts, of course they are possible.

POST FINALLY ENDS :happydance:

I'll get off the phone thing now. Promise! hone:

 

[volcarm]

So I think the perp had to know she was there and waited for her near her car.... Seems unlikely it was a stranger that just happened to be in the parking lot when she left.

 

[kathryann]

I myself have left my cell phone in the bathroom, if I have in in my pocket I take it out and set it on whatever is handy so I don't drop it in the toilet (LOL), I've done that before. So I'm thinking that she left it in the bathroom accidentally. I can't figure out what possibly could have happened after that. Would she just leave the bar without telling anyone? I just think that's weird, she would have told her friend she was leaving, wouldn't she? Maybe she thought she needed to go home before going to the SS, figured it would only take a few minutes and she would be back to leave with her friend, left and headed home to get something (I'm sort of just thinking of what I would do), so the car is headed toward home videotaped. So my thinking is something happened either when she arrived home someone was waiting, or someone was in the parking lot waiting when she returned to VFW. I wish I knew what the altercation was between the friends in VFW, was it a couple? If so was someone jealous? Just a thought.

 

[snoopy12]

:websleuther:Yeah, it sure is a mystery...it's hard to make all the pieces of the evening fit logically together...I realize that can be said for many cases, but this one seems like it has some extra quirks to it.

And I am sorry if I sound like a broken record, but the cellphone thing is still something that I am hung up on (no pun intended).

Thanks to "woe.be.gone," I went back to re-read that interview of JVM with Kristy's Mom. Before I mention something that hit me upon re-reading it, I do remember either reading or seeing Kristy's father making a statement about talking to Kristy before she went out for the evening, and being that she left from her parent's house, it makes perfect sense that they both saw her before she left for the night (saw what she was wearing/what she brought with her, etc.)...

INTERVIEW SNIPPET:thinking:

Well, from that interview with JVM and the Mom, I noted this section, where JVM asked Kristy's Mom if she thought it was unusual that Kristy left her phone in the bathroom:

SCALES (Kristy's Mom): "You know, my mind has wondered both ways thinking, well maybe she was just using the restroom, didn`t want it to fall out of her pocket, laid it up on the shelf. But it`s very, very unlike her not to notice it, you know, like immediately not being in her pocket. Because you know, young girls, their phones are like attached to their hip anymore it seems like. And I just can`t imagine her not walking back in there."


Besides the fact that Kristy's Mom pretty much confirms her daughter was one who was "attached" to her phone, her Mom also twice refers to Kristy's phone being in her "pocket," so I am making a little assumption here that the Mom 1) knows that's where her daughter carries her phone all the time and/or 2) quite possibly, Kristy had no purse with her (like some women just do not take their purses into bars -- they just put their ID/phone and cash in their pocket). But her Mom never mentions a thing about Kristy having a purse or thinking Kristy would realize she hadn't put her phone in her "purse." Again, it is a bit of an assumption, but maybe a fairly reasonable one...that the cellphone was in Kristy's pocket that night -- not ever in a purse. So...

WHAT'S MY PROBLEM?

So here's my problem...let's say Kristy did just decide to leave the bar without telling her bartender friend she was leaving (again, I do still find that very odd, but I'll let it go and play that out as IF she did)...and I guess we can (for argument's sake) say she used the restroom before she left the bar...because, yes, her cellphone was left there. Yes, brilliant deduction, I know. LOL.

So here's the thing: I find it EVEN MORE unlikely that Kristy did not realize she was missing her phone almost immediately after leaving the bathroom...or at least realize it was not on her by the time she got out to her vehicle in the parking lot. Especially when she sat down in the SUV. Those who carry phones in their pockets probably know what I mean...if she was carrying it in her pocket, she would be able to tell almost right away, I would think...especially if it was her habit to have it in her pocket.

So then all I can think is that she would absolutely want to come right back inside the place to get her phone, right? I mean, why wouldn't she? She wouldn't want to retrieve it later, when she could just go get it.

TIMING IS EVERYTHING:camera:

But in this scenario, she did NOT come back inside to get her phone -- and so it COULD be argued that someone grabbed her at that point and restrained her in the car (I have not considered someone grabbing her in the bathroom or inside, only because it just seems unlikely to me that someone could pull that off with people still inside)...and I have read through recent threads and see the disparity in the time issue, as far as the estimate of when she left the VFW and when her car was shown passing by the ice cream place ...so again, just like it seems to be at almost every turn in this case, I am not sure what to weigh as "fact." Is there really a 20-minute time gap? If so, I agree that is very significant. Could there have been a struggle near or in her vehicle to account for that gap of time? It still seems hard to believe anyone would struggle with her in the parking lot when others were still in the place and could come out at any time, but I guess it is possible...and who knows exactly where she parked her vehicle, so maybe it was at a location where it was harder for someone to see it/hear her yell out. Just throwing out some ideas, as I go off the fact that the cellphone was in the bathroom.

I did see where someone said it's possible that someone stole her cellphone during the night -- yes, it's possible, but again, if she kept it in her pocket (if my assumption on that is correct), it is hard for me to see that as being a possibility...and if someone else (perp) puposefully put it in the bathroom after the fact, I have to say that is hard for me to imagine -- because the perp would then (again, going on my assumptions) have to head back into the VFW to place her phone there in the bathroom, with the risk of running into people. So that seems so unlikely to me. And I am just not going to "go there" in looking at anyone who worked at the VFW, because I truly have nothing at all to go on for that and feel like it would be unfair to speculate. So just looking at how this current scenario plays out...

But, setting aside the timing issue (and we may not be able to know how accurate the timeframe is) if the parking lot kidnapping occured, would we see 1) the vehicle being driven in the direction it was -- toward her house -- and 2) then back later? I guess that second siting of the vehicle is still not for certain. Taking Kristy in her own vehicle is a stretch for me, unless whoever grabbed her did not have a vehicle. I can see the possibilities of how she met up with foul play after willingly leaving the bar on her own accord -- but again, in my assumption that she would have realized her cellphone wasn't on her, those scenarios don't work for me because I never see her leaving the parking lot without wanting to go back inside to retrieve her phone...I am not saying I am right about this assumption regarding the cellphone -- but it is why I am "stuck."

IS THIS POST EVER ENDING?:facepalm:

Thanks (to anyone who bothered to read this) for letting me get out all my thoughts as to why I am stuck on the phone...just processing that out has freed up some much-needed space in my brain. But really, as I processed this out, it is the "maybe if this is true/right" then "perhaps this could be right" type of thing as to why this case is hard (for me) to come up with logical scenarios of what happened.

I'm not sure if anyone will even get what I am trying to say here (despite trying really hard to explain it and please forgive the length!)...but yes, I'm still thinking that cellphone being left is very odd and possibly does mean something in the scheme of this...and it's why I am leaning more toward this somehow being foul play -- despite not understanding the exact "hows" of that -- or the possibility of her having left abruptly (and possibly puposefully) left her cellphone behind -- but no real understanding of the "whys" of that either.

I don't like either of the two possible conclusions I am leaning toward. But her running off to assume a new life or having an accident seem less likely to me the more time that goes by, for obvious reasons and other reasons I won't get into...because this post is already record-breaking too long. But I also do not discount them as possibilities because given the right set of facts, of course they are possible.

POST FINALLY ENDS :happydance:

I'll get off the phone thing now. Promise! hone:

Very good post. Its really hard trying to piece this stuff together without much knowledge of evidence, interviews, cellphone data, etc. Was trying to think if someone she knew could have been walking in town near the VFW that needed a ride and I am back to my original theory that the person was in the parking lot at the ss bar and got in the car with her to get a ride home, or to go with her to get her cell. I would be checking to see if anyone that could be a suspect is seen on camera at the ss bar that night, or check receipts at that bar to see who paid their tab around that time frame, and interview those bartenders as to anyone that was there alone that they recall leaving that time of morning. Thats assuming she went to the ss, and never went in which is undetermined.

 

[snoopy12]

Do we have anyone on here local to Boonville, that might know specifically what businesses are open late Friday night, into Sat. morning? I do know there is a 24 hr Walmart and at least that Southside Bar. What about gas stations? Does St Marys have an emergency room, open at night?

Do people there ever go to Interlake or Hoosier National forest?

Do the bridges over the Ohio River have cameras on them?

Does anyone know if her Xterra is a 4 wheel drive by chance? Do folks there go 4 wheeling or mud bogging, that sort of stuff....any where?

thank you

ER at St. Marys Warrick is open and not far from VFW (walking distance). Three gas stations are open that I recall. The hoosier forest is not somewhere people typically go to party after being at the bars, but can't be ruled out. Coal mine ground, or by the river more of a possibility, or someplace secluded in Warrick near town. Unsure about the bridges. Don't know if 4x4. Yes people go mudding, often down in river bottoms but I think the ground was pretty dry? Can't recall. 4 wheeling not uncommon and I could she her leaving with someone to go on a ride if that was something she liked to do- which I have no clue if she liked that sort of thing.

 

[sreshowtime]

Yes, St Marys and Deaconess e-rooms would be open all night. But they are in Evansville, not Boonville. That would be the nearest hospital, though.

I don't know about your other questions. I do know the Hoosier Nat. Forest is a bit of a drive from the Boonville area.

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thanks 88keys
I rather figured there was no 24 hr health care in Boonville... I am still curious as to other businesses that were open that night. Anyone? And who may have been around in those wee hours.

Hoosier National isn't that far in the grand scheme...unfortunately neither is Harmonie, Lincoln, Ferdinand, and Little Pigeon Creek Wetland.

Too bad it hasn't been guestimated how much fuel was available ( based on debit/credit/receipts ) The tank is around 19 gals. with an average of, say, 20MPG..... you can do the various math....

Any thoughts on if she could have inadvertently ticked off a customer in the last days leading up to her missing? She did work as a pharmacy tech as I understand, so does that also mean she was waiting on customers....

the VFW seems rather exposed for someone to just be hanging around in wait, imho.

 

[sreshowtime]

Thx snoopy, I wasn't really thinking of after hours partying.....or if she even liked 4 wheeling....just interesting locales and routes of said activities

wonder if emergency there had anyone in that night


Also were any cars left around town that night, did anyone get a ride back to town Sat, or go pick someone up some where....

 

[concernedmother]

One of my theories she was hanging in hopes a certain person showed up not wanting to go with the friends or the bartender. The place was closing so he wasnt going to show . She went looking for him. Like a Heather Elvis thing

 

[snoopy12]

thanks 88keys
I rather figured there was no 24 hr health care in Boonville... I am still curious as to other businesses that were open that night. Anyone? And who may have been around in those wee hours.

Hoosier National isn't that far in the grand scheme...unfortunately neither is Harmonie, Lincoln, Ferdinand, and Little Pigeon Creek Wetland.

Too bad it hasn't been guestimated how much fuel was available ( based on debit/credit/receipts ) The tank is around 19 gals. with an average of, say, 20MPG..... you can do the various math....

Any thoughts on if she could have inadvertently ticked off a customer in the last days leading up to her missing? She did work as a pharmacy tech as I understand, so does that also mean she was waiting on customers....

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St mary's warrick should be open 24 hours.

 

[concernedmother]

Her cell records should lead LE to A perp in my theory

 

[snoopy12]

Thx snoopy, I wasn't really thinking of after hours partying.....or if she even liked 4 wheeling....just interesting locales and routes of said activities

wonder if emergency there had anyone in that night


Also were any cars left around town that night, did anyone get a ride back to town Sat, or go pick someone up some where....

Unsure about that, maybe someone else could answer...... Hopefully any of these things have been turned into LE.

 

[Topcat]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...nville-15-August-2014&p=10882228#post10882228
Post 142 (the new forum won't allow me to link an individual post - what's up with that?)

By the time I returned to Kristy's case, thread one was closed. Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions and thoughts at the end of thread one.

The link above is a transcript from the J. V. Mitchell show when Kristy's mom answered Jane's questions.
Earlier I posted that Kristy's phone was placed/left on a shelf in the VFW restroom by the cleaning person who found it. WRONG!
The shelf was only mentioned by Kristy's mom when she was imagining a scenario where Kristy may have placed it there (she used the word "shelf") so as not to drop it. Somehow my mind made a leap and twisted the story. Sorry.
The phone was left/found in the bathroom but where it was located (floor, sink, stall) I haven't read those details.

Plus, I thought the phone had been found before the employees left the building for the night. Someone responded that the phone wasn't discovered until the following morning. I'm unclear what, if anything, was done regarding the phone - if it was found on with battery power, or if it was found off without battery power, etc. Haven't read any of those details other than when someone heard Kristy was missing, they connected the phone left behind the night before might belong to her.

After Bingo ended by 10:30 p.m. (per an earlier post), how many people move over to the bar area and stay around? Does the group consist of mixed ages or mostly older people? Kristy is only 27. By older I mean people who could be her parents and older. Did Kristy play Bingo or just happen to be there on a Thursday night?

How would the morning person know Kristy was in the bar the night before? I mean how does one put the fact a person is missing with a phone found in the restroom? Does that mean the phone was powered on ?

 

[nerosleuth]

Okay y'all. Sorry about the confusion of which building. I am getting the info now. One second!

This is the VFW (confirmed by a local):

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I'm not sure if it was sorted out where the VFW is located, but I thought I'd try to help too. Here are a few pics. The first one is of the VFW with the picnic shelter in back. The second is if you are on the main street. To the left, is a building (small) and I've drawn an arrow to the VFW. You can see it's set back down the main road quite a ways.

The third is if you are standing at the VFW parking and looking towards the main road. That gives you an idea how far off the main road it is.

Does this help?

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Thank you Texasgirl2, Blueherring, and Azureine for posting pics of the Boonville VFW for everyone on this thread.

I happen to notice something that caught my attention after looking at the pics of the Boonville VFW.

How well is the VFW parking lot lighted at night?

What concerns me here is that I'm not seeing any kind of security lighting around the parking lot or at the building entrances at the Boonville VFW.

 

[nerosleuth]

There are a few pictures of a strip pit at this link. I believe the pit in this article is located about ten miles south of Boonville. Maybe a local can confirm that for us. http://www.courierpress.com/news/local-news/nearly-disposed

More here.

http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/this-place-is-the-pits.html

http://www.in.gov/dnr/outdoor/4226.htm

The pics of the stripper pits reminds me of ponds that you would find at a quarry.

Are there any rock quarry or limestone quarry in the area that are still operational or abandoned?

Are there any underground coal mines or any underground caves in the area?

 

[Azureine]

The pics of the stripper pits reminds me of ponds that you would find at a quarry.

Are there any rock quarry or limestone quarry in the area that are still operational or abandoned?

Are there any underground coal mines or any underground caves in the area?

Yes, there are a ton of underground tunnels all through the county. Houses occasionally sink into them! I'm not so sure there are easy accessible enterances though. I think once abandoned they block them.

Trying to answer a few other questions:

The local ER is open all night every day in Boonville. I'm sure the police have looked into that.

Not much else stays open late in Boonville. The Walmart here says 24 hours but I swear I've gone there before 8 am and they've been closed, so not sure it's accurate online. I'm not sure about gas stations but I think the only things open that time of night are the bars.

The example picture of a stripper pit is a good one, but not all have steep edges. Some are just pond size that has no tall edges but are a hundred feet deep or more. There are quite a few smaller ones in woods and forests that have filled with rainwater.

I don't know why they closed Scales beach. It's full this weekend (camping) but they do close the beach sometimes when they don't have enough staff to lifeguard or due to weather. Its has rained all weekend and you can't go on the beach if it is storming. It does look like swimming closes there Aug 10th, which is when the kids went back to school. I guess it's due to lack of kids to staff the beach area and lifeguard and is nothing unusual.

There are a bunch of people with the last named Scales down here. She is probably related but not necessarily closely.

"Narrowing down leads" to me to means they are eliminating the far fetched stuff they have had called in. I don't think they have much at all, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Eileen730]

I wonder whos prints they found on her phone