IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 #27

[Ros]

The calls were from JR's phone... We've always known that (at least with regard to the call to DR that we previously knew about).

The IM article states that JR confirms that the unanswered calls were made from his phone, and that one call was to DR. However, JR will not say who made the calls. Why not? The calls had to have been made by JR, LS, or his mystery guest(s).

 

[imkeylime]

Yes, falling down and hitting head like described (assuming that's accurate) alone could kill someone. Might not happen immediately but sometimes many hours after the incident. Of course that still wouldn't explain why she disappeared.

No, it doesn't (explain her disappearance). All it does, really, is potentially put LS in the same alleged condition as CR ... they partied together and both took a knock to the head ... and he threw up and was put to bed. if she indeed left JR's, she might have done so with a concussion. I'm not sure I envision her able to leave JR's, even.

I wish we knew who the second call was to ... and why there are questions about JW's timeline.

 

[Darcyline]

I am emotional for a few reasons right now, but listening to that was very difficult. I am more convinced than ever that she did not just walk out perfectly fine like JR said and then by chance a complete random stranger grabbed her. I am starting to doubt she ever left.

Also interesting is CR throwing Lauren over his shoulders. I really feel like the witness who saw that saw CR doing it and just got a few of the details mixed up due to shadows or sometimes a passing memory can be hard to recall exactly, etc.

Also, again, ZO being painted as someone trying to help Lauren is surprising since the overall consensus from here or other places was much, much, much more negative about him.

Finally, more suspicion for JW? I always ranked him very low on my suspicion list (not non-existent, but lower on the list than JR/CR/others). People seemed very adamant that he could not possibly be involved at all though. I wonder why he would give conflicting statements?

 

[jjenny]

It seems like this case has not moved anywhere since we still don't know if she actually left. Doesn't sound like anyone beside JR can support the idea that she left. Even though she supposedly made phone calls there is no message left so how can it be proven she was the one making these calls? Regarding JW, it was never explained what exactly was conflicting about his statements. Were it minor things (which are to be expected) or something major? So we are right back where we started.

 

[beachamber]

http://www.pibillwarner.com/2012/05/who-kidnapped-petite-blonde-females.html

http://www.zimbio.com/IU/articles/aztMtTAOIHi/Cops+Claim+Pretty+Blonde+Holly+Bobo+Abduction

These 2 websites seem to be tying a pattern together. I went to IU & live in Southern Indiana. All the places these women have been abducted from are normal for us to travel to down here.

 

[Jupiter812]

-- Bloomington, Ind.

The Bloomington Police Department released a statement Thursday, just days before the one year anniversary of the disappearance of Indiana University student Lauren Spierer.

Police said the investigation is still “very active” and several “credible” tips come in on a weekly basis. They stated the tips include information that has obvious relevance or correlation to information already known to investigators.

The department said Spierer’s case is classified as a “priority” case and has remained that way since she was reported missing on June 3, 2011.


http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-cred...erers-disappearance-20120531,0,6430119.column

 

[Jupiter812]

Shawn says that JR had "six to ten shots of Belvedere vodka."

1. Belvedere--not the commoner's vodka!

2. I presume JR is the one who supplied this info. That's a big range. If he can't be within two shots, and we're talkin' only pre-game drinking, which included beer and drugs, then how accurate can we expect him to be three hours later?

 

[Btown]

I don't believe anything he says. Like hell he watched from the patio.

What Patio?

Front of 5 North Apartments

Back of 5 North Apartments.

Oh, I get it. Nevermind.

 

[bx2]

Shawn says that JR had "six to ten shots of Belvedere vodka."

1. Belvedere--not the commoner's vodka!

2. I presume JR is the one who supplied this info. That's a big range. If he can't be within two shots, and we're talkin' only pre-game drinking, which included beer and drugs, then how accurate can we expect him to be three hours later?

I was interested in the keg of beer mentioned also. You have to register at the liquor stores for kegs purchased and it might be another as of yet unnamed person that bought it. Even if JR bought it, the liquor store should have video of someone that helped him carry it out.

edit- also if JR didn't have a vehicle, that keg wasn't rolling itself over

 

[elmorejames]

http://www.pibillwarner.com/2012/05/who-kidnapped-petite-blonde-females.html

http://www.zimbio.com/IU/articles/aztMtTAOIHi/Cops+Claim+Pretty+Blonde+Holly+Bobo+Abduction

These 2 websites seem to be tying a pattern together. I went to IU & live in Southern Indiana. All the places these women have been abducted from are normal for us to travel to down here.

I've come across these postings before and find them extremely interesting and plausible. I've done searches for travelings acts and carnivals that may have been in these areas around the same time. When doing that, I've been finding Shoe Carnival which is a business. Even more interesting is that they have locations very close to everyone of these locations.

Could very well be a truck driver or a delivery man hauling freight that has him in these locations at different times. Always good to keep the options open, but the answer probably lies with these boys (not men).

 

[Jupiter812]

I was interested in the keg of beer mentioned also. You have to register at the liquor stores for kegs purchased and it might be another as of yet unnamed person that bought it. Even if JR bought it, the liquor store should have video of someone that helped him carry it out.

edit- also if JR didn't have a vehicle, that keg wasn't rolling itself over

I haven't been able to rectify Lauren's and CR's path with the visual scenes provided. You had mentioned redundant narration. I am hung up on the shot of the two sets of steps with the handrails--one black and one white. It has to be on College but the sense of direction is south which doesn't work and a good videographer knows this.

For the most part, the scenes in the video make sense except for this one. I suppose they threw it in for drama.

 

[bx2]

I haven't been able to rectify Lauren's and CR's path with the visual scenes provided. You had mentioned redundant narration. I am hung up on the shot of the two sets of steps with the handrails--one black and one white. It has to be on College but the sense of direction is south which doesn't work and a good videographer knows this.

For the most part, the scenes in the video make sense except for this one. I suppose they threw it in for drama.

Yeah, I honestly just considered the scenery shots as B roll, not as an aide to what the narration was talking about. Both times sitting on the steps, I took it to mean the 10th and College steps.

(Those shots of steps they show are north of the 10th and College Apts on the west side of College Ave, just south of the turn in for the doctor's office)

The Lohud site mentions a full article coming Sunday, so my hope is that some of these things get clarified a bit better (like where this apt of the 4 girls they partied with earlier was at). I'd also really like to know (though I know better) how they claim to know that Lauren took a seat in the area where her keys were found. This takes place after the last known video of her, and the only witness supposedly has no memory of it.

 

[cluciano63]

It seems like this case has not moved anywhere since we still don't know if she actually left. Doesn't sound like anyone beside JR can support the idea that she left. Even though she supposedly made phone calls there is no message left so how can it be proven she was the one making these calls? Regarding JW, it was never explained what exactly was conflicting about his statements. Were it minor things (which are to be expected) or something major? So we are right back where we started.

I know, all along this has been about what one person said happened...JR saying she walked off into the night. That is really the most important thing, IMO, somehow determining if that statement is true...everything comes down to that, no matter what she did that night, how many things she lost, etc...

IF he is telling the truth...then this WAS a stranger abduction, absolutely, IMO.

JMO

 

[Jupiter812]

What Patio?

Oh, I get it. Nevermind.

I should have said "balcony."

 

[Jupiter812]

I know, all along this has been about what one person said happened...JW saying she walked off into the night. That is really the most important thing, IMO, somehow determining if that statement is true...everything comes down to that, no matter what she did that night, how many things she lost, etc...

IF he is telling the truth...then this WAS a stranger abduction, absolutely, IMO.

JMO

I think you mean JR. Why couldn't it be boyfriend abduction?

 

[cluciano63]

I think you mean JR. Why couldn't it be boyfriend abduction?

Thanks, I fixed it.
It could be, I suppose...but just not feeling it, I guess.

 

[akh]

I think you mean JR. Why couldn't it be boyfriend abduction?

Or 'wanna be' boyfriend. Someone she knows but has rejected who inserted himself into the night somewhere along the way.

 

[akh]

Something to think about- If JR didn't watch her leave and walk down the street why would he even lie and say he did? Wouldn't a better lie be to simply say he never saw her after she shut the door? That would increase the area and time for a random abduction and it would remove him from having to answer any messy questions about not seeing anything. That would be if he was involved in the disappearance.

OTOH, that type of lie might make more sense if he wasn't involved in the disappearance and embellished his story in order to not make it seem like he let her leave when she could barely walk (possibly not realizing things would turn more serious and her not found OK while he'd painted himself into a corner).

 

[jjenny]

JR is supposed to be her friend. By saying he watched her and she was fine (and I have no idea whether he actually watched her leave or not) he appears to be trying to make himself look better. Because if she actually left, he let an apparently intoxicated young woman to walk home during the night by herself, and she went missing. We have her described as falling down numerous times, and then being carried by CR on her way there. But a relatively short time later she walked home on her own?

 

[AbbeyR]

JR's story preempts questions about his responsibility in letting her leave in the terrible condition it appears she was in. I think this was the entire point of the info the POI released to the media early on.

My reading:

"I watched her walk to the corner without stumbling" = She was fine when I last saw her!
"She helped me home" = ditto

[...but just in case you find our she wasn't:]

"I was already out of alcohol" = I did not supply a minor with alcohol
"She said she wanted to party before she left" = IF she was high, she got the (/more) drugs somewhere else

[...and if you have any more questions]

"I don't remember"
"I have amnesia"
"I'm not allowed to talk about the case"
"Talk to my lawyer"