IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #3

[jjenny]

Now, remember, that after all this time, we still have no clue where Natalee Holloway is. So the fact that the body (assuming that she is no longer with us) appears to be so well hidden doesn't really rule anyone out.

 

[Janeumayer]

New Article:

'Shame on you': Mother of missing student Lauren sends emotional message to her daughter's attacker

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002538/Shame-Lauren-Spierers-mother-condemns-attacker-begs-information-ongoing-search-20-year-old-student.html#ixzz1P8CfGFXf

Her parents have started a website for Lauren: www.findlauren.com

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Now, remember, that after all this time, we still have no clue where Natalee Holloway is. So the fact that the body (assuming that she is no longer with us) appears to be so well hidden doesn't really rule anyone out.

We really cannot compare this though. Natalee dissapeared in Aruba, on spring break on a very sketchy tourist town.

Lauren vanished in her OWN college town in Bloomington, Indiana.

 

[jjenny]

We really cannot compare this though. Natalee dissapeared in Aruba, on spring break on a very sketchy tourist town.

Lauren vanished in her OWN college town in Bloomington, Indiana.

Aruba is supposed to be a very safe place.

 

[Janeumayer]

fftobed: Hoping they find Lauren today.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Salzmann, who said his client is not involved in Spierer's disappearance revealed he thought 'there is a lot more to this' case.

'The answer in a good 90 per cent of the cases is someone that they are intimately involved with, he told Fox News.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...search-20-year-old-student.html#ixzz1P8Dwgejo

It seems like Salzamann suspects the boyfriend. I have had that feeling for a while.

 

[jjenny]

It seems like Salzamann suspects the boyfriend. I have had that feeling for a while.

Well keep in mind that he is a defense lawyer so his goal would be divert any possible suspicion from his client. After all his client was one of the last known people to have seen LS before she went missing.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Aruba is supposed to be a very safe place.

Come on, she was with Jared Van der Sloot - that guy is trouble. He just got involved in a murder of another girl. Plus, it was tough to get investigators and police to help with the case.

I think it's a completely different scenario.

I would say Natalee Holloway's case is more similar to Britanee Drexel's.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Well keep in mind that he is a defense lawyer so his goal would be divert any possible suspicion from his client. After all his client was one of the last known people to have seen LS before she went missing.

100% agree with this.

BUT, he probably knows more than us so his suspicion might be warranted. Who knows.

 

[jjenny]

My point is, Holloway's body (assuming she is dead, which certainly appears to be most likely scenario) is nowhere to be found. If is possible to hide a body so well on a small island, why wouldn't it be possible to hide a body in IN?

 

[curiousgirl2010]

My point is, Holloway's body (assuming she is dead, which certainly appears to be most likely scenario) is nowhere to be found. If is possible to hide a body so well on a small island, why wouldn't it be possible to hide a body in IN?

Because whoever hid Holloway's body had A LOT of time to do so. They were also on an Island, where it is a lot harder to search. LE had a very hard time to help because of the Dutch/US impasse.

We have the FBI searching for Lauren and LE involved since day 1. Whoever disposed of Lauren did NOT have more than a few hours to do so - UNLESS it's a stranger who has had all the time in the world.

 

[mrsu]

New Article:

'Shame on you': Mother of missing student Lauren sends emotional message to her daughter's attacker

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002538/Shame-Lauren-Spierers-mother-condemns-attacker-begs-information-ongoing-search-20-year-old-student.html#ixzz1P8CfGFXf

Her parents have started a website for Lauren: www.findlauren.com

In the article linked:

Salzmann, who said his client is not involved in Spierer's disappearance revealed he thought 'there is a lot more to this' case.

'The answer in a good 90 per cent of the cases is someone that they are intimately involved with, he told Fox News.

This is the first time I have seen anything like the printed. Wonder why? Or wonder if it's true that it was said? I know it's likely lawyer talk, but interesting we've never seen it yet.

 

[cluciano63]

Unfortunately hiding a body is not all that difficult, no matter who took Lauren, if indeed she is no longer alive. Plenty of missing people are never found, and many are probably killed by inexperienced people who got "lucky" with their hiding places.

I think it will come down to the use of a car that night...somebody had to use a car to take her away from the area, and hopefully not too many cars show up on the various tapes so that LE can figure this out.

 

[epiphany]

Another example, straight from IU. This guy died at the beginning of this past spring semester due to a cocaine overdose:

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local/south_central/iu-student-faced-drug-charges

I've raised two kids in Manhattan. One in the private school system; the other in "public" school system. One now in Manhattan college dorm; the other in Wash., DC dorm. Same behaviors exist and occur in all of the places. From good families; caring families; educated families; smart kids, etc., etc. Personally, the one POI's GPA and 92% on term papers doesn't mean much to me, BUT neither does the POI's name on the Do Not Admit List, nor his past arrests. IMO, this is not a stranger abduction. More than one of the students is involved-at some level. At least more than one is not telling the complete truth regarding what they know about the events of that morning. "Recreational" drug use coming into play or involved.

 

[jjenny]

Because whoever hid Holloway's body had A LOT of time to do so. They were also on an Island, where it is a lot harder to search. LE had a very hard time to help because of the Dutch/US impasse.

We have the FBI searching for Lauren and LE involved since day 1. Whoever disposed of Lauren did NOT have more than a few hours to do so - UNLESS it's a stranger who has had all the time in the world.

That is not exactly true. She went missing at ~4:30 am. She was reported missing to police the next day, ~ 12 hours later. That would give more than just a few hours to hide the body (assuming that's what happened).

 

[curiousgirl2010]

We need more information!

I mean yes, some of the POI's could have gotten lucky with the hiding place... that's true.

However, I think that if neither of those guys is actually a sociopath, they will end up cracking and leading them to Lauren's body.

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder what the "specific tip" about the lake was. I hope Tim Miller searches it again.

 

[VeryVeritas]

JR's problem is that he was apparently the last known person to see her before she went missing. Can anyone else support his story that she actually did leave the apartment? Even if all they did in there is drank milk and ate some cookies, he'd still want to have a good defense lawyer, IMO.

JJ apologies for implying that you were leaning towards a drug related theory, my mistake.

For someone that was ready to call it quits at 2:30 and go home, and then dragging CR home, do you think milk and cookies would really motivate her to jump over to JR's place? nah....

I think Faulkner has a point with motivations. But at the same time I agree the idea of a shady alley deal for some coke at 3:00am is not plausible here. It's far more likely that someone like JR is a dealer(they tend to know a lot of people), or at least was sharing. btw, If we want to talk about codes of silence, the one about who has the smoke and who has the coke is far more pervasive than whether or not to tell a friend that you saw his gf with another guy drooling and clawing all over her.

Here's one more theory then based on some real motivation...

JR hints at some real good coke that came in and so LS abruptly leaves CR/MB's place with him (I strongly feel that JR was there). But they don't go to JR's place they go to JOE DEALER's(The affluent college student supplier / cocaine connoisseur) place, conveniently located in the same building. At JOE DEALER's place LS OD's on the high grade coke that is in ample supply for semester break. They do CPR, it doesn't work. They agree that JR is to go back to his apt. and just say that she left. JOE DEALER figures out what to do with the body(he/she now has the most to lose). Obviously they would spend a long time in prison for this event, so they would be highly motivated to cover it up and would want to make sure it was done right.
By now, if there was a Joe Dealer in the building, his/her place is as clean as can be. Now, why didn't the dogs find anything? She would have walked back and forth past several doors at least 2 times. I'm not sure dogs could then single out each apt she stepped into under those circumstances...

It feels more to me like JR is the Joe Dealer type... but if not how would you find out who Joe Dealer is? At some point anyone that is in contact with a dealer learns that you don't ever identify that person or you might wind up dead. This is more often an intuitive understanding as someone crosses the line into that culture. And in college nearly everyone discovers where the easy to enter boundary to this culture exists and of it's unwritten rules.

 

[jjenny]

I wonder what the "specific tip" about the lake was. I hope Tim Miller searches it again.

I've seen it described as anonymous tip. Maybe it was one of those psychics "I feel she is in the body of water."
LOL. That said, I agree it would be a good idea for Tim Miller to search it again. It would be very hard to find a small body in a lake.

 

[shefner]

In the article linked:

Salzmann, who said his client is not involved in Spierer's disappearance revealed he thought 'there is a lot more to this' case.

'The answer in a good 90 per cent of the cases is someone that they are intimately involved with, he told Fox News.

This is the first time I have seen anything like the printed. Wonder why? Or wonder if it's true that it was said? I know it's likely lawyer talk, but interesting we've never seen it yet.

It seems like she could have been "intimately" involved with any number of these guys....obviously, the boyfriend....but what about CR or JR? Good grief, these initials are testing my late night nerves....